Re: Rape IS a hard crime to prove... BULLSH*T!
Rape victims are easy subjects to denigrate.
Anonymous hacktivists have withdrawn threats to expose the identities of boys accused of gang raping a 17-year-old girl before her death. But rogue Anons may defy the decision and publish the information anyway. Rehtaeh Parsons, from Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada, was allegedly sexually assaulted while drunk by four lads in …
Rape victims are easy subjects to denigrate.
>Rape victims are easy subjects to denigrate.
As are men falsely accused of rape
The law in common law countries requires guilt to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt. When the evidence is coming from one person, and being refuted by the other, there is always reasonable doubt. The truth is that, without further evidence, which, by the nature of the offence is going to be hard to find, it *should* be hard to prosecute a rapist if the rule of law means anything at all. Feminist jurisprudence cannot insist on a change to that principle for rape and other crimes againt women and claimat the same time that it has anything to do with equality.
Sadly, it's even harder than that to get a conviction when the victim isn't available to testify.
RCMP have reopened the case, but say it's not based on info from anon.
It can be found here.
As most of you are aware we have decided that it is best to withhold the names of the alleged rapists we have identified. We are doing this for two reason. Firstly, Leah Parsons, mother of Rehtaeh has asked us to. We feel that honoring the Parsons wishes while they lay their daughter Rehtaeh to rest is the respectful thing to do. Secondly, we are aware that new evidence may have possibly been presented to the RCMP. If this is true, nothing should interfere with that investigation. We would much prefer to see someone in jail than their only punishment to be shame. That would not be justice.
It has come to our attention that several names have already been posted online to various websites, even tossed around on Twitter. Be aware that 99% of you have named someone that is innocent. You may have gotten one name right, but all the good you think you are doing will be displaced by the harm you will cause to the innocent young men you have wrongly named. We urge you to be patient. If it's a guilty party you're looking for, look no further than the RCMP or the Cole Harbour School District.
Anonymous is not a homogenous group, but hopefully the wiser heads tell the more foolish ones to STFU for the time being.
Perhaps those who are giving a '+1' to Anonymous should consider how they would feel if they were wrongly accused of rape.
Downvote because Anonymous did not release any names, even though they threatened to.
Meh, RCMP can have their face-saving excuse as long as there's action.
The RCMP in Nova Scotia appear not to be able to forensically track the images taken during the rape. Surely there must be some image with the Exif data showing not only the camera and therefore the phone but also the time. Seems like plods the world over would rather take the easy way and say she wanted it then regretted it so why bust some good ole boys balls over it. With some of the newer phones it would also have imprinted in the data the GPS coordinates of the pictures. So at least the one who owned the phone/camera copuld be done for taking and also distributing child pornography.
is there another kind?
I'm not sure about the use of the colloquialism 'lads' in your opening paragraph. Feels like there's a suggestion that gang-rape is a 'lad-ish' activity. I'm sure it is not meant, but I think reporting on such a story warrants more formal language.
You might like to ponder over the connection between the origins of the word "lad" and the italian word "ladro" (thief)
Seems to me people who try to excuse it as "laddish" behaviour might be closer to the mark than they think.
I won't make a judgement on the case as I'm not privy to the details, but it makes me very uneasy when people says they will "name and shame". I know the Anons in this case ahve not ultimately done that (yet, anyway), but it's a very dangerous thing to do. I can understand wanting to cattleprod the police in do properly looking at the case though.
What really sticks in my mind the when I see cases like this is that the trouble with any serious offence such as Murder, Rape, etc. is that no matter what, someone pays and ends up the victim.
In this case it will be one or more of the following:
1. The teenage girl because (if the boys are tried and found guilty) she will have been violated in a horrendous way. Also, whatever the outcome she has lost her life.
2. The family of the teenage girl as they have lost thier loved one in a terrible way
3. The accused boys (if they are innocent) as many will assume them rapists no matter the outcome and treat them accordingly for the rest of their lives.
4. The families of the accused boys will also have to watch their sons' lives blighted and have the stigma - again no matter what the outcome.
One can only hope the police do a better job in investigating this - whatever the result.
A lot of you people here should take a moment to listen to yourselves. If you want to live in a world where groups like Anonymous start calling the shots, then be my guest...just do it a million fucking miles away from me and my family.
It appears that there needs to be more than yet another inquiry
We have the same in the UK, people avoiding any form of justice at all (just recently a man who had beaten his baby to death was back out on the streets having been locked up for just 3 years - 3 years for beating a baby to death? FFKS you get more than that for not paying your council tax!
Justice in ALL western countries needs seriously looking at BEFORE we go around the world pretending to sort everyone elses problems out.
In this case the justice minister, the justice department and the police involved should be looked at very closely for locking away for life. How difficult can it be to look into such a crime, decide what should be done and then to do it? 'No evidence' my backside. It may not be easy to prove that a drunk girl didn't consent to 4 boys but I suspect that something should be possible.
And as to the UK's terrible example the judge(s) that set the stupdily small sentence and the parole board that allowed a murderer out so early should all be locked up - their crime? Stupidity or perhaps look further into their backgrounds and decide that they are guilty of condoning child murder.
"It may not be easy to prove that a drunk girl didn't consent to 4 boys but I suspect that something should be possible."
Personally I think the question of consent should be rendered irrelevant by the fact that events led to a girl taking her own life.
".....Personally I think the question of consent should be rendered irrelevant by the fact that events led to a girl taking her own life." Whilst the suicide is tragic, it does not prove anything other than that the girl in question decided to commit suicide. For all you know, it could be she was ashamed of having sex with four lads, made up the rape story, then couldn't cope with the guilt, or that she was raped and couldn't live with the self-loathing probably combined with a bit of guilt ("I must be to blame for putting myself in the position to get raped"). Truth is we will never know now, and we'll probably never know unless one of the lads involved confesses which, if she wasn't actually raped, is unlikely. The law needs to be based on fact and evidence, not emotion. So to claim the matter is settled just because the girl took her life is not legal grounds for conviction of the accused.
if the victim subsequently dies within a period (usually a year and a day) then charges get upgraded to murder.
The fact that the girl was harrassed to a suicide attempt after the original event means it's not "just" rape charges the miscreants (and their hangers-on) should be facing.
Harrassment is a vastly underprosecuted crime, especially when it becomes murder by proxy.
Sons of Police chief.. Possibly?
Sons of high society... Definitely!
Use of tormenting/guilt trip tactics until she commits suicide as a way to prevent her from testifying again in court... Think about it.
These 4 sons will not stay in Nova Scotia very much longer... Graduation.
Case re-closed indefinitely.
White collar trumps blue shirts.
Name them, shame them, then hang them by their testicles from a tree in south america, then cover them with sugar water and let the fire ants have at it.
But before we do any of that, can we please make sure they are actually guilty?
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