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Rising sea levels, droughts, torrential downpours, "superstorms" – climate change has been blamed for a flood [Ahem...—Ed.] of calamities, but new research shows that an even worse global warming–induced fate might soon befall us all: an inflight glass of wine spilling onto our lap when our airliner encounters increased …

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        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Time to push back

          Ah, the old "Science doesn't know everything" argument, which I'll remind you doesn't equate to "therefore science doesn't know anything"

  1. doctariAFC2

    More nonsense upon nonsense

    This is more typical blather from those suffering from cognitive dissonance in the cliamte change crowd.

    Is our climate "changing"? The answer is truly simple - YES IT IS, but no more changeable than it has been for however many billions of years the planet called Earth has held life. I am sure if we suddenly started seeing another bout of continental drift these same alarmists would blame the frackers and oil drillers for the continents drifting, yet not a wit of attention would be paid to the fact that our continental landscape has changed (and continues to change) with or without us.

    But many are stupid, and the only way they can deal with anything in life is to *KNOW* it is our (mankind's) fault, and there fore also *KNOW* we can "do something" about it. Trouble is, no one can plausibly tell anyone with half a living brain cell exactly how creating a new tax, and spending money on goofball schemes will "save the planet", because th planet neither cares one wit about money, or our schemes. Indeed, the planet has been the planet, doing what a planet does, in a solar system with its own dynamics impacting said planet, out of our control since the rock in the sky began spinning.

    But the stupid wil lap it up, and point to anything they *FEEL* is right because it agrees with their off the wall "beliefs", and since it isn't *THEIR* fault, but someone else's that has to be punished with taxes and such, not knowing or ignoring that taxes will be paid even by the "blameless", and not a single thing to alter the planetary dynamics shall come to pass.

    But it sure feels good, despite being nothing but pure rubbish.

    1. NomNomNom

      Re: More nonsense upon nonsense

      "but no more changeable than it has been for however many billions of years the planet called Earth has held life"

      What evidence is your opinion there based on?

      "I am sure if we suddenly started seeing another bout of continental drift"

      errr what?

      1. doctariAFC2

        Re: More nonsense upon nonsense

        You're kidding, right Nom? Ice core samples from Antarctic, fossil records of ocean life found in mountains, the list is endless.

        Are you paying any kind of attention to the big old world around you, or do you just read and listen to the charlatains you *FEEL* are correct (despite already being outed as complete fraudsters and tricksters - con men of epic proportions?)

        1. NomNomNom

          Re: More nonsense upon nonsense

          None of those things provide a comparison to the changes seen in the past century.

          1. doctariAFC2

            Re: More nonsense upon nonsense

            Excuse me? What rot are you trying to peddle here, Nom? Oh, the last Century rot. Let's review this "last century" of charlatains, shall we?

            THOSE OLD, FAMILIAR TUNES

            GLOBAL COOLING: 1890s-1930s

            The Times, February 24, 1895

            "Geologists Think the World May Be Frozen Up Again"

            Fears of a "second glacial period" brought on by increases in northern glaciers and the severity of Scandinavia's climate.

            New York Times, October 7, 1912

            "Prof. Schmidt Warns Us of an Encroaching Ice Age"

            Los Angeles Times, June 28, 1923

            "The possibility of another Ice Age already having started ... is admitted by men of first rank in the scientific world, men specially qualified to speak."

            Chicago Tribune, August 9, 1923

            "Scientist says Arctic ice will wipe out Canada."

            Time Magazine, September 10, 1923

            "The discoveries of changes in the sun's heat and the southward advance of glaciers in recent years have given rise to conjectures of the possible advent of a new ice age."

            New York Times, September 18, 1924

            "MacMillan Reports Signs of New Ice Age"

            GLOBAL WARMING: 1930s-1960s

            New York Times, March 27, 1933

            "America in Longest Warm Spell Since 1776; Temperature Line Records a 25-Year Rise"

            Time Magazine, January 2, 1939

            "Gaffers who claim that winters were harder when they were boys are quite right.... weather men have no doubt that the world at least for the time being is growing warmer."

            Time Magazine, 1951

            Noted that permafrost in Russia was receding northward at 100 yards per year.

            New York Times, 1952

            Reported global warming studies citing the "trump card" as melting glaciers. All the great ice sheets stated to be in retreat.

            U.S. News and World Report, January 18, 1954

            "[W]inters are getting milder, summers drier. Glaciers are receding, deserts growing."

            GLOBAL COOLING: 1970s

            Time Magazine, June 24, 1974

            "Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age."

            Christian Science Monitor, August 27, 1974

            "Warning: Earth's Climate is Changing Faster than Even Experts Expect"

            Reported that "glaciers have begun to advance"; "growing seasons in England and Scandinavia are getting shorter"; and "the North Atlantic is cooling down about as fast as an ocean can cool".

            Science News, March 1, 1975

            "The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed, and we are unlikely to quickly regain the 'very extraordinary period of warmth' that preceded it."

            Newsweek, April 28, 1975

            "The Cooling World"

            "There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production – with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now."

            International Wildlife, July-August, 1975

            "But the sense of the discoveries is that there is no reason why the ice age should not start in earnest in our lifetime."

            New York Times, May 21, 1975

            "Scientists Ponder Why World's Climate is Changing; A Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable"

            GLOBAL WARMING: 1990s-?

            Earth in the Balance, Al Gore, 1992

            "About 10 million residents of Bangladesh will lose their homes and means of sustenance because of the rising sea level due to global warming, in the next few decades."

            Time Magazine, April 19, 2001

            "[S]cientists no longer doubt that global warming is happening, and almost nobody questions the fact that humans are at least partly responsible."

            New York Times, December 27, 2005

            "Past Hot Times Hold Few Reasons to Relax About New Warming"

            The Daily Telegraph, February 2, 2006

            "Billions will die, says Lovelock, who tells us that he is not usually a gloomy type. Human civilization will be reduced to a 'broken rabble ruled by brutal warlords,' and the plague-ridden remainder of the species will flee the cracked and broken earth to the Arctic, the last temperate spot where a few breeding couples will survive."

            ?????: 2020s?

            RIA Novisty(Russian News & Information Agency), February 8, 2007

            "Instead of professed global warming, the Earth will be facing a slow decrease in temperatures in 2012-2015. The gradually falling amounts of solar energy, expected to reach their bottom level by 2040, will inevitably lead to a deep freeze around 2055-2060," he said, adding that this period of global freeze will last some 50 years, after which the temperatures will go up again."

            Quoting Habibullo Abdusamatov, head of the space research laboratory at the St. Petersburg-based Pulkovo Observatory. Full article at http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070115/59078992.html

            Meteorology and Atmospheric Physics 95, 115-121 (2007)

            "Multi-scale analysis of global temperature changes and trend of a drop in temperature in the next 20 years"

            Lin Zhen-Shan and Sun Xian. The School of Geographic Sciences, Nanjing Normal University, Nanjing, P. R. China

            A history scholar, Nom, you are NOT! Unfortunately for you, I am.... This broken record has been playing for a long time, and every time it is played, it is the same scrtached vinyl, the same bogus baloney, by the same crowd of knuckleheads who want nothing other than your loot. Case closed....

            Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. Sadly, your mis-informed self is repeating the same nonsense, and falling for the same lies, that have been told with alarmism for well over the last century..... Come back with real info, rather than rubbish talking points.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: More nonsense upon nonsense

              Dear Mr Self-Described 'History Scholar':

              Please, get some professional help – or a job. Or take all the free time you are squandering on cherry-picking, and instead spend it helping the poor or the downtrodden. You might then provide some value to the world.

              1. doctariAFC2

                Re: More nonsense upon nonsense

                struck a nerve, did I? This has been the same tired nonsense for a long, long time. And every story and every claim has brought with it dire predictions of starvation, seas rising, seas receding, droughts, monsoons, frozen wastelands, barren, scorched deserts....... famine, disease, oh no!

                This alternates between the impending inferno and the impending ice-age every 20 or 30 years, or so.

            2. NomNomNom

              Re: More nonsense upon nonsense

              Here's a question: The 20th century saw 0.8C warming. To our knowledge was there a century prior to that which saw as much warming?

              The answer is no. For lack of data. There is no evidence the climate was as changeable as this in the past, largely because we don't have that kind of resolution data. Fossils and ice cores do not provide it. Nor do newspaper and anecdotes from last century.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                @Nom

                So you say there is no data. You say for certain that this is new and abnormal climate change with no doubt what-so-ever that its humans causing it. But yet you accept that climate changes naturally and that the actual normal climate change is unknown because we dont have the data so we cant know.

                So you are either certain climate change is man made which requires adequate data you just said we dont have. Or climate change is a possibility but we need more data. Or you believe but the evidence just isnt there.

                1. NomNomNom

                  Re: @Nom

                  "You say for certain that this is new and abnormal climate change with no doubt what-so-ever that its humans causing it"

                  No I didn't

  2. doctariAFC2
    Devil

    Just another historical tidbit for you, the last big push on this garbage before the "global warming" drumbeat began again was the impending ice age that was to engulf the planet in the 1980's, these predictions being made in 1970 on the first Earth Day. We were cooling the planet with all our activity, only in 1970 the demon gas was not CO2, rather Nitrogen.

    They were wrong then, and they are wrong again, just like they have been since the turn of the 20th Century. Makes some sense though, the pattern of these alarmist claims happening every 20 or 30 years or so, with changes in predictions and such, as that is enough time for the new generations of skulls full of mush to be indoctrinated into the next line of BS, as they weren't around to hear the previous lines of BS that were so utterly wrong each "scientist" should have been laughed right out of their lab coats.

    1. NomNomNom

      "Just another historical tidbit for you, the last big push on this garbage before the "global warming" drumbeat began again was the impending ice age that was to engulf the planet in the 1980's"

      There was no scientific consensus. In fact more studies in the 80s were predicting future warming (from greenhouse gases), not cooling.

      Fast forward to today. Today there is a consensus. Scientific organizations around the Earth accept man-made global warming.

      "We were cooling the planet with all our activity, only in 1970 the demon gas was not CO2, rather Nitrogen."

      No, it was aerosols not nitrogen, and it was a hypothesis advanced by only a few scientists. There was no agreement by scientific bodies and institutions as there is today with global warming.

      1. doctariAFC2
        Devil

        science and consensus are conflicting terms, my friend. And I think you had better read the words of the doom and gloomers before proclaiming it was aerosols (which were damaging the ozone layer, nothing to do with global warming/ cooling, rather solar radiation increases, etc) and not nitrogen. For instance, in 1970 these were to beliefs of the day:

        “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”

        • Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

        “By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”

        • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

        And your claim about "consensus" not existing? “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”

        • Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University

        and of course, these gems:

        “We have about five more years at the outside to do something.”

        • Kenneth Watt, ecologist

        “Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”

        • George Wald, Harvard Biologist

        Same old song and dance..... Just a different point in time.

        1. NomNomNom

          "it was aerosols (which were damaging the ozone layer, nothing to do with global warming/ cooling, rather solar radiation increases, etc)"

          Not aerosols as in aerosol cans. Aerosols as in particles in the air (eg such as smog) which block sunlight and have a cooling effect when they increase in concentration. It was CFCs that were damaging the ozone layer.

          Even back in the 70s most studies were predicting warming, not cooling, as shown by this metastudy

          http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1

          Most of your quotes don't even mention cooling.

          But sure you can find individuals predicting all sorts of things in the 70s. You can even find people predicting a coming ice age today (mainly climate skeptics). But there was no mainstream scientific view in the 70s that we were about to enter an ice age.

          Today there are dozens of scientific institutions around the world with official statements warning about global warming. There were no scientific institutions in the 70s warning about global cooling.

  3. doctariAFC2

    Does this sound familiar? Flip Cooling with Warming

    Another more of the same con artist tricks from 1970, I particularly love this one.....

    “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years,” he declared. “If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”

    • Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

    1. NomNomNom

      Re: Does this sound familiar? Flip Cooling with Warming

      Who is Kenneth Watt and why should we care?

      I can accept that someone called Kenneth Watt was wrong. But his views did not represent the science at the time. The science at the time as represented by published peer reviewed studied in scientific journals shows more papers predicting warming than cooling. And reports by bodies such as the NAS at the time contradict the claim that there was a consensus of global cooling.

      The parallel with today is the few scientists who are predicting an ice age. They tend to be climate skeptics. Maybe in 30 years time you can quote them and use their words to imply that the scientific community as a whole was predicting an ice age!

      1. doctariAFC2
        Devil

        Re: Does this sound familiar? Flip Cooling with Warming

        Sure did represent the science at the time. Just like the nonsense of today represents the science of today's time. Charlatains are charlatains. And history does repeat itself.

        And the most striking similarities, besides the doom and gloom of every snake oil salesman being peddled, is that every single prediction made based on the "science of the day" was so wrong, even to this day, that it is an embarrassment to the discipline of science itself. On epic proportions.

        Face facts, Nom..... This is the same old, same old, nothing but nonsense for an agenda of grabbing cash while weilding ultimate control over everyday life of every individual, in the false name of whatever the crisis du jour being "endured" by the planet is claimed.

        And if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, what is it to you? A puppy???? You're done.

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