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Microsoft has thought long and hard about what to officially call the forthcoming Windows 8 upgrade package codenamed "Windows Blue", and the verdict is ... Windows 8.1. So sayeth veteran Redmond-watcher Mary Jo Foley, who cites an anonymous tipster. Lending credence to the rumor, Foley directs us to a Twitter post made by …

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Unhappy

Surely a more appropriate name would be

DESQview 2.8. 'cos that's more or less what the new bloody awful user interface is like, only worse. At least DESQview could have more than two windows open at the same time.

I do hope that sense prevails in the end.

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Re: Surely a more appropriate name would be

DoubleDOS ? :)

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Re: Surely a more appropriate name would be

i can have as many windows open as i like. in desktop mode.

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It's that mossy old greenness...

Microsoft OS 8.1 or in other words MOS 8.1.

Oh look, the Moss ate one. LOL.

Might as well call it that, they are removing bits of the windowing system with every update it seems so can't really keep calling it anything other than Microsofts' OS....

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Re: Windows For Idiots

Let me guess: You're better than Windows users because the os you've chosen requires you to be more smart?

I'm reminded of the girl at the Muse concert with a banner saying "intelligent music for intelligent people"

Can you say "wilful confirmation bias?"

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Re: Windows For Idiots @AC 07:08

"Let me guess: You're better than Windows users because the os you've chosen requires you to be more smart?"

I reckon it's more case of choosing Linux because you think there's a perception it requires you to be smart. "If I say I use Linux people will think I'm a tech god!" We also have to consider that there's no evidence he actually uses Linux and could be trying to make Linux users look bad, as has been suggested before. Most of the arguments he uses (repeatedly) are generic stuff that you can pick up from any discussion about Open Source with a couple of minutes' reading on Google or The Reg forums, after all. My take is he's just trolling and probably trying to get a gold badge. Cos, you know, if you make lots of posts you must be good, right?

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Re: Windows For Idiots @AC 07:08

The thing is that I don't know what these people are going to do when/if Linux beats Windows (as if it's a zero sum game) and all the "Mouth Breathers" are using Linux. Maybe he is a genuine Linux user and just wants to keep those perceived as ill educated away from Linux?

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Re: Windows For Idiots @AC 07:08

"The thing is that I don't know what these people are going to do when/if Linux beats Windows (as if it's a zero sum game) and all the "Mouth Breathers" are using Linux. Maybe he is a genuine Linux user and just wants to keep those perceived as ill educated away from Linux?"

I think for a lot of them it's about ego. If your "dumb" friend/family member is stuck on Linux, chances are you'll now be the one they come crawling to for help, for a while at least. And if you don't know them - well, consultancy fees await. With Windows, there's a good chance anyone they know can help them, they can Google questions similar to their own, or look in a mag. With Linux they probably won't know the questions to ask. Sure, they usually say "I installed Linux for my Granddad so he can read his email and use the Web and he's had no problems" but it's about placing yourself in a better position.

But Eadon's just a troll.

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Maybe they'll make Windows for Workgroups 8.11

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Will "Windows"™ brand OS offers Windows again

If they'd go back to offering a nice new *WINDOWS* based OS, perhaps I'd be able to buy a new PC.

Zero interest in Win 8. Actually that's not true. I desperately wish to not have it. It's the STD of OS options.

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Re: Will "Windows"™ brand OS offers Windows again

i have a touch screen tablet (not RT) and its pretty decent for that.

there are some really poor decisions though and i have had to wipe it and restore after only 3 weeks. i think that might have been all the hacking just to change the bloody window titles to white as i prefer a dark menu bar.

i would also like them to fix the issue when you display all desktop items at 150% etc. a few apps totally screw up with this setting on but using 1080p on an 11.6" screen is a bit small for touch.

you do have to wonder why they made some of the decisions that they did. some are good and some are just plain mental.

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Re: Will "Windows"™ brand OS offers Windows again

> It's the STD of OS options.

STD? What has Subscriber Trunk Dialling got to do with Windows? Or are they going back to acoustic couplers for network access now?

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Windows for Warehouses

...where it deserves to rot.

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What's the 's' for? I thought it was Just Window 8 now.. since you can only use one at a time

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@Jan Hargreaves

Maybe *you* can only use one Window at a time. Are you sure you're on the right site?

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Re: @Jan Hargreaves

Tell me how you can use excel or word, or photoshop with only 25% of the screen? And I mean productively.

TIFKAM is for content consumers. Not really for doing any real work at all.

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Re: @Jan Hargreaves

"Tell me how you can use excel or word, or photoshop with only 25% of the screen? And I mean productively.

TIFKAM is for content consumers. Not really for doing any real work at all."

If you've been following the whole Win 8 thing for a while (your use of TIFKAM indicates you have,) then you should know the answer. Those who hate Windows 8 don't like it, but it works. And a lot less painfully then the generally suggested "Tell people to use Linux instead." If you don't know then do some research before mouthing off.

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Re: @Jan Hargreaves

"If you've been following the whole Win 8 thing for a while (your use of TIFKAM indicates you have,) then you should know the answer."

So is that anything other than... you can't? For example you want to watch a video online out of the corner of your eye while doing an email. Can't see how this is going to work in TIFKAM. What happens when somebody suddenly skype's you. It's just a complete and utter mess.

"And a lot less painfully then the generally suggested "Tell people to use Linux instead."

Photoshop under wine in Linux would really be painful. I've been saying for a long time that Linux advocates can come back to me when there is Photoshop or good enough equivalent on Linux. Still waiting...

For the record, I use Windows 7 myself. I looked at the upgrade options, including the special offer to update quickly. And quickly thought.. forget it. They are really not offering me a worthwhile upgrade.

Still...

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Blue..?

So I'm guessing Windows Blue is going to be specially optimised for porn?

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Keep polishing...

...you'll make that turd shine one day.

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Happy

They already had a perfectly fine name

Windows Blew

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Number by Year

They should have kept numbering by year. If XP had been called Windows 2001 those of us still using it would get a daily reminder it's more than a decade old (And still quite stable and fit for purpose, but it might nudge some folk into upgrading)

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Windows Starter?

Maybe they'll add their own Start button as an upgrade from "Windows Non-Starter".

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30 years later...

Windows 8.0 Windows 8.1 Windows S.pectrum?

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End of a con?

So ends (hopefully) one of the biggest cons in computing history, namely the pretence that each new version of Windows was a brand new product rather than a version change over the previous product - thus enabling Microsoft to charge more for the "new product" than they could have if it were seen solely as a new version.

Same goes for Office. I'd be glad to see that go the same way.

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Re: End of a con?

It seems more like a way to charge for service packs by using an incremental upgrade model to me.

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Better than "blue".

This must be the first good news about Windows 8. Numbering means more logic, less confusion. Too bad that the numbering will probably be the best thing about Windows 8...

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8, 8.1, 8.2, 9.0

pass, pass, pass... MAYBE

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Re: 8, 8.1, 8.2, 9.0

Only problem is by the time Windows hits revision 8.1.17. Hopefully most People will have moved on to Linux by then. One has to wonder what will happen to Microsoft once they pull the Trigger on Windows 7? Where will all the Corporations go then to Windows 8? HAHAHA not likely. I wonder if those asshats in Redmond understand this?

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Re: 8, 8.1, 8.2, 9.0

Ahh yes, because the jump between windows 7 and LINUX is much smaller than the jump between windows 7 and windows 8...

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Re: 8, 8.1, 8.2, 9.0

Says the Man who's never tried Cinnamon Mint...

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Anonymous Coward

We don't need an 8.1

We need a 3 point turn

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Is anyone actually running Windows 8 that has commented here? It's loads faster (on my relatively old laptop) - long time issues have been fixed for copying files etc and it's stable. The menu is quick - you just hit the Windows key, starting typing and hit return to load programs. This method is rapid, reliable and beats the heck outtta Windows 7 - for visual users the tiles are going to work well.

There are a couple of UI annoyances (wish I could lock the metro screen to one of the desktops) but you'd expect that with a radical overhaul of the UI (Ubuntu Unity anyone?) and some system issues (the sound gremlins aren't quite gone).

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I get tired of the argument "If you used Windows 8, you wouldn't hate it". I am using Windows 8 and my hate comes from months of firsthand experience. I hated the UI when I first started, and then when I started to play with it I hated it even more. While it has nice performance improvements, it makes tasks that were quick in Windows 7 much slower. Do this: Type "System Restore" in Windows 8 and tell me how long it takes you to find System Restore. Type "Uninstall" and Windows 8 and tell me how quick it takes to get to the Programs and Features part of the control so that you can uninstall a program. In Windows 7, just click start, type "uninstall" and in 1 second you could click on "uninstall a program" that is a short mouse distance away. Done. In Windows 8, you type "uninstall", then move your mouse to the right and click on Settings then move you mouse all the way to the left and click on Uninstall a Program. The UI is counter-intuitive with a mouse and touchpad.

The only three good things Windows 8 is good for is a home theater PC, a tablet, and a phone.

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Lol a HTPC awwwwww Hell no!!!

Any Linux with MythTV (or better yet) Video Disc Recorder (e.g. VDR), with XBMC can and WILL DO a better job of running a HTPC then anything Micorsoft could do.

Lets take DVB-C (Digital Cable TV), for example. If you want to watch this, or are forced to watch it 'cause your Landlord doesn't want you to put up a Dish, or you just happen to live on the wrong side of the Building. Then your forked, as you'll need a CAM (Common Access Module), and a Smartcard to access your Subscription(s). Granted Microsoft have done some work to get DVB-S2 (With CAMs?), to work since Vista / 7. Its little comfort to me,

Now take VDR for example its compatible with everything DVB-T(2), DVB-C and DVB-S(2) OotB, It boots straight into the last Channel viewed. No need to muck 'round waiting for Windows to load, then clicking the Media Center Icon. Full CAM support. Linux is just full of WIN here.

Windows on the other hand is just full of FAIL!

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@Wade

Pro-tip: Mouse over the "hot-spot" thing in the bottom left, right click, select "Programs and Features".

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There are a couple of UI annoyances

No, just one... It's crap.

And if you have not noticed, most people seem to think Unity is crap too, for a lot of the same reasons.

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Is anyone actually running Windows 8 ...

" ... It's loads faster (on my relatively old laptop) - long time issues have been fixed for copying files etc and it's stable. The menu is quick ... "

[ Fast Boot ] ... It should load faster since by default it employs a hybrid sleep and not a full shutdown and is "resuming" rather than a full POST and bootstrap. Additionally, many people are obviously using newer UEFI streamlined systems rather than traditional BIOS. I guess comparing Apples and Oranges is back in vogue these days.

I have a theory that Metro and Windows 8 appeals to the definitive "serial-tasker", those that operate one task at a time like the instruction pointer in a CPU. They press the "On" button and wait. I say this because a "multi-tasker" would press the computer power button 30 seconds before he needs to jump in and do something. That means, press the button, grab a coffee ( or anything else ) instead of standing there waiting interminably. Multitaskers naturally know how to timeslice so that few seconds at startup never ranked high on the things-to-fix-in-Windows bullet-list when there are so many other real consequential annoyances to address.

[ File Copying ] ... What "copying files" issue might that be? Most people are referring to the yet again updated file copy dialogs, the ones that could have only been designed by a committee and were already getting ridiculous in Vista and 7, but now they have added an option to "pause" a copy. But for what possible reason? Well, I guess it makes sense since a serial-tasker might just need to pause. Multitaskers know enough that they can simply jumpt to something else if a copy takes too long. In truth, copying a file has worked reliably since 1995 for the consumers, but was made foolproof with NTFS based Windows even earlier.

[ Quick Menus ] ... GPU accelerated menus should be fast. Especially since it is essentially only rendering HTML+CSS basic geometry ( Playskool blocks ) in primary colors, kinda like simple webpages from 15 years ago. Were you expecting slow? I'm not impressed by Microsoft advancements here, nor should we be thanking them for these little baby steps forward. By now in 2013, instead of romper room shapes we should have game-engine style 3D user interface elements, like those which already perfected as far back as 1999 ( Q3 and Unreal ). And it should be fully user-customizable, not locked in to their one childish theme.

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Amazing how many "Windows Haters" feel the need to comment on an article about Windows version numbering. This place is getting more like a playground for the intellectually challenged every day. There are so many article keywords that just bring out the same old comments over and over again, loads of idiots shouting "me too, look I'm here, I agree, I hate xxxx too!"

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Not that amazing, really. It's been some time since its release and not a lot has changed. Yes, it may be a bit faster than W7 but not that much and, should you ever switch off Aero on W7, that increase is barely perceptible. OK, I agree that "mee too" trolls are a pain - they were frowned on in some places when I was a net noob so why we have them now is a bit of a mystery, but what you are seeing now isn't really that different from what we saw with Vista. While there are those that like W8 and will champion it, just as some folk did with Vista, the majority villify this version because they just don't like it.

I'm saying little about my opinion of W8 myself, partly because other folk have said everything already, partly because I'm fed up doing it. My sole W8 installation, I shall say, has been deleted and, beyond my only W7 system and what gets done at work, everything else is Linux or RISC OS and is unlikely to change anytime soon.

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Fail == Fail

They can call it whatever they want. It's still Windows, it's still Microsoft, and it's still poor quality crap.

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Re: Fail == Fail

Windows 8 has many haters from inside the Windows community, the trolls from outside are largely superfluous in any argument about the merits or negatives of all the different Windows versions they are outside the experience by their own choice. Conversely there are quite a few Windows lovers who like everything about whatever has been recently released from Redmond. Sometimes I even hear defenders of Win8/phone describing how tasty their new interface looks, I think the best description of folks like that would be Windows lickers.

But seriously folks, the real reference I'd measure the popularity of any system would be the usage share of OS on the net, wikimedia measures Feb 2013 like this: Win 7 34.72%, iOS 23.75%, Win XP 14.28%, OS X 6.98%, Android 6.03%, Vista 4.3%, Win 8 2.23%, Linux 1.42% and Win Phone 0.79%.

M$ still have a 56.32% market share so they don't need to worry what they call their next OS or how it performs, it will still be part of the biggest herd. Only just mind.

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Re: Fail == Fail

"M$ still have a 56.32% market share so they don't need to worry what they call their next OS or how it performs, it will still be part of the biggest herd. Only just mind."

Yeah, but for how much longer? Nobody with a single braincell rattling inside their heads, would touch it [sic] Windows 8. Corporates can still flee to Windows 7 (FOR NOW!!). Whats gonna happen once Microsoft has had enough of Windows 7 too? I can't see Window 8 in the workplace as it is EVER!

Now that Linux has Steam (e.g. Valve) on-board things can only get better for Linux. Given that Microsoft would rather you pay then a yearly subscription to their HTML5 wonder Office. Well WHO THE HELL NEEDS WINDOWS?!?

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Re: Fail == Fail

All those poor huddled masses, queuing up outside PC World, just pleading for someone, anyone, to give them the opportunity to by a PC, any PC, that doesn't have Windows on it.

If only building PCs wasn't such a top secret operation that can only be achieved by a handful of global MegaCorps who cower under Microsofts thumb. Imagine if any retailer could contract with any company anywhere in the world to build PCs with off the shelf parts, and sell them without an OS to all those downtrodden consumers who are just clamouring for the opportunity to buy a PC that doesn't have Windows.

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Re: Fail == Fail

I see where you are coming from Eadon but M$ have attempted to integrate mobile and desktop ecosystems with Win 8. The unfortunate differences between 8 Pro, WART and WinPhone only confuse the masses but ultimately most of these devices serve to do the same thing for the majority of people: poke at the interwebs. That is the market to view for share imho. I suspect it is also the market that M$ are striving to make headway in, following the money into mobile.

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Re: Fail == Fail

you sir, whoever you are have got it exactly right

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