back to article Nokia tries its luck with a sub-£150 Win Phone 8: The Lumia 620

Nokia’s latest budget smartphone brings the price of admission to Windows Phone 8 below the £150 mark. From today O2 will sell the Lumia 620 at £149.99 on pay-as-you-go, a bargain considering what’s inside. The network will also chuck in an additional free colour cover. Other operators will also offer the 620: Three and Virgin …

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Re: Bargain

Yes SD cards up to 64 GB according to this page.

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Did they mention if it has SD support?

It does, according to o2.

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non western markets

only way it's going to appeal to those markets is with multi sim support....

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Not Bad

the OS is quite good on a phone, and hopefully they have Nokia's build quality.

I reckon they might flog a few of these to the people that usually buy a cheap droid.

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The dreaded Windows Hate

Actually looks quite decent on a phone.

But no. I'm just never going MS ever again.

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A 3.8" odley world phone

Obviously it competes against other small phones.

As the cash rich trinket buyers have all been signed up by an iOther, this one is cheap

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get it down to £100

Get this down to £100 and they'll sell loads, £150 is still a tiny bit too steep.

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Another question

Does it let you reset the lock screen picture ? I discovered to my cost, that once you set this, it's impossible to clear it. You can set it to a standard theme. But you can't remove it.

Seriously.

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Not so bad

There seems to be a lot of WP hate here but my lumia920 pisses all over my iphone4 for signal quality in calls/3g and wifi.

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Re: Not so bad

And the 920 has a better camera, better maps, better Nav, a faster OS, better microphones, a better screen with higher refresh rate, better contrast and a more advanced touch panel....

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Re: Not so bad

I agree. the 920 has a lot of good stuff

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Re: Not so bad

Not to mention screen specs, wireless charging, NFC, camera, OS.

What I don't get is why in reviews it is never mentioned how it takes less time to do everyday tasks in WP than in android or iOS. Reviews are always just a feature set comparison. the Smoked by windows phone series seems to be a pretty good indication that the things you do most are easier on WP.

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'Smoked by windows phone'? Wasn't that Ben the PC guy, an official astroturfer shill for Microsoft?

'Official astroturfer shill' may be too harsh a term... you may also call him a 'tech evangelist'. They mean the same thing.

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1/4 of the price of my sister's iphone, would do everything she uses and she is closer to the average buyer than most people here.

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How shit does this look?

Long time Nokia fan. 402 right up to the N95 (horrible machine) and out of love for the brand I have the Lumia 800.

Seems they want to fail by producing hideous looking devices built for 7 year olds.

The next batch better be a piece of art or I'm off this train.

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The new "Microsoft way"

Try as they might, nothing Microsoft does is encouraging me to give their devices a try.

They use awful irritating tunes in their TV adverts (The Lenka video and song is just too abstract for me), and the non musical ones use "celebs" like James Corden and Holly Willoughby.

Work colleagues who own Windows phones try and convince me that I'll "soon get used to the interface over time", and the lack of apps will soon change.

Sorry, but that's not a chance I'm willing to take when there's a brilliant, easy to use interface and app store already out there on the 'droids, and their phones are great value - such as the Orange Intel San Diego I bought last week for £70 from the Orange store (20% public sector discount and rest from my phone fund).

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"They use awful irritating tunes in their TV adverts (The Lenka video and song is just too abstract for me), "

Erm... I purchased the Lenka CD after seeing the W8 adverts. Mind you i haven't upgraded to W8 yet, I would happily but not all the drivers exist for for Vaio yet.

WRT the interface, IMO Android, iOS, WP, hell even WM are pretty easy to use. App count- largely a meaningless pissing contest but yes it is true that devs are likely to focus on android and iOS first. That said as a WP user I don't lament the fact that I cant download the latest crap being hyped via social networking sites by people that are so technologically challenged that tying their shoelaces presents an issue.

As an aside, it amazes me that so little has changed since WM2003. I used to upgrade handsets regularly as a result of hardware improvements, the processors were slow, the ram expensive/volatile. Early 2007 (pre iphone) I had a 5" screen. GPS, blah, blah blah.

What can i do now on my phone that I couldn't do back then? Very little and in some respects less. The only thing has really changed is the rise of the phone fanboi...

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Re: The new "Microsoft way"

Android is very unstable, buggy and laggy compared to Windows Phone though. Windows Phone just works.

Chances are you will have to install a custom ROM and spend hours tweaking things to get a similar level of use out of an Android handset.

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WP 7 and WP 8 bashers

Looks nice - not sure it will be enough to compete seriously against the big guns in the market but it will make lots of owners very happy, and will certainly appeal with it's 'world around your contacts' ethos. side by side, i think virgin users looking for something premium-ish now dropping into their pricerange would 'get' it easier than an iPhone. I think thats the strength this new phone will play to.

now, WP 7 and 8 bashers...Grrr shame on you!

I got my Lumia 800 on pretty much first day release in Autumn 2011.

It was an 18 month Contract and was a Premium phone back then - by the time the 7.8 firmware upgrade breaks cover, I'll be just weeks away from a stanard renewal-upgrade to something else. I dont feel abandoned by Nokia in this regard as I paid my money and made my choice and deeep down I know phones are ultimately disposable. Likewise I wouldnt expect Ford to come and update my car engine mapping in 18 months time, and I'm ok with that. I've lived with this phone and seen all it's good and bad sides.

As such I feel entitled to opine on this handset and OS.

What i dont understand though is people who have clearly never owned a WP 7 or 8 device slagging the platform and hardware off so unreservedley.

If you've got one, 90% likely you had to take it on contract and yes, if that was recent, i can understand frustration at being lumbered with an OS which looks really similar to 18 months ago , but then you did choose buy it when there's plenty f choice on the market so it's a moot point.

I doubt there's many people at the moment who are so loaded they can buy one on a whim to try out, kept it for a month then sell it on because they couldnt live with it...

So if you are going to criticise, please do so from a point of experience, or else you like the classic fandroid / fanboi idiot.

This also goes for iPhone owners hating android even though they've never had one, and same for android owners who've avoided the applecart. I just dont get it!

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Re: WP 7 and WP 8 bashers

Um... you don't need to *own* a Windows phone to know it is a bad idea.

An analogy: you don't need to own a pet to understand the responsibility that goes into owning one.

There are plenty of mobile/telco shops out there with Windows phones on display, and they let you finger and prod them to your heart's content.

Occasionally, you may also have the oddball friend who has a Windows phones. You can *borrow* his/her phone to play around with, you know? A shockingly novel idea to you perhaps?

Many of these pro-WP shills out there have this silly idea that just because you didn't purchase, or have never owned a Windows phone before, it somehow invalidates your less-than-flattering opinion of their beloved products. Or you're automatically a fan/sheep of one of the Big Two mobile camps.

Keep it up with that siege mentality. Windows phones' market share will continue to languish.

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Re: WP 7 and WP 8 bashers

Good counterpoints , glad you've called me as a WP fanboy - I do like it but it's got SO much room for improvement that id shy away from accepting my fanboi award ... It has it's pretty major problems like font sizes , inefficent use of screen size, plus a minor issue THAT IT WONT CHARGE WHEN FLAT - haha need to do CPR on it (hold down on key for ten seconds, wait for the first vibrate buzz, THEN insert the live charging cable) but nothing in the phone makes me hate it.

I also have an iPhone 4s, and my wife has an Android Motorola phone.

The Moto is s-l-o-w but compact , good looking but poor for doing pretty much most things that arent games or ringing people.. But it's bullet proof, waterproof and BABY proof - we both love it.

The iPhone just drives me up the wall - i'm not suited to that style of os but the phone itself is lovely, solid and has all the features i need - again i dont hate it but dont really like using it that much for calls and sms's. i do like it for internet and as a small e-reader.... Plus, if i put it down in a client meeting , everyone i hope makes the mental connection between me, my phone, my style, my company, a certain level of associated affluence and status, and they start thinking I'm a good person to do business with.

I think borrowing a phone, yes you'd get to see the shiny side of any OS but you wouldnt get to see the grotty underbelly unless your mate let you go and muck about importing and exporting contacts and calendars on your laptop. So borrowing isnt such a shockingly novel idea to me as my comment made out ..

I'd like to think I have a fair idea of what goes into making a good application, network service, and phone hardware - for instance I worked on sending the first ever MMS's over a decade ago , using digital cameras and Nokia communicators, happy days!

I've never stuck to a platform for longer than 1 phone contract, as variety is the spice of life... Beloved as many of my exes have been, i've always gone to something new, usually as an early adopter. Seriously thinking Blackberry 10 this renewal !

I stand by my comments that 'hating' a phone without owning one is dumb , but see your point about pet ownership... you can research and get advice and compare specs and the like, and that knowledge conditions you - you'll know if its roughly right or not for your circumstances , but until you have had one in your hand for an appreciable time and SEE how your own usage gets tailored to the capability of the phone, see what it lets you do and what it stops you doing, you wont be able to say if you 'hate' it or not. reeling off a spec sheet of cans and cants just helps me decide if i should go for something or not. it doesnt shape my accquired opinion.

'Choosing' a phone is a different matter entirely - Many phones meet my requirements , but in this instance I chose the Lumia as it was black, gloriously seductive looks and relatively rare, and my mental checklist told me it could cope with my needs at the time (ring people, FB, SMS and an ok camera) - the OS has made it a pleasant journey along the way. And it's horses for courses - a friend asked me if i had a phone he could use - by this he meant exclusively iphone , he loves it and cant get on with my phone , and thats fine too :)

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Re: WP 7 and WP 8 bashers

So the fact I've never owned an Android phone or run Linux desktop does not diminish the credibility of my statement that they're shoddy and not user-friendly?

Using something for a few minutes or using it day in and out are totally different. If I used Linux every day I might come to love all the things I'd have to learn, which on first impressions just annoy me.

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people who have clearly never owned a WP 7 or 8 device slagging the platform

Quite simply it's because of the way they pulled the plugs on Symbian. (It is No-Win I specifically hope will fail.)

Windows phone is a non starter for me because it is locked to an apps store (just as iOS is).

I bought the N8 for the SIP VOIP features and the GPS. I have found the camera and the media replay facilities fantastic too.

A Windows phone is in no way a replacement for a Symbian phone. It may be a replacement for an iPhone.

So I'm hoping the new BB10 is good or Tizen happens, otherwise I will be down the android path.

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Nokia/Microsoft doesn't get it

People do not want crappy phones with a crappy OS at *any* price point.

People do not want Microsoft's dog food (Bing, IE, Xbox LIVE, Skydrive etc) on their phones.

People are happy with iOS/Android, and there are better options for cheap phones.

A lot of talented people have left Nokia, only to be replaced by more Microsoft sycophants. Nokia is now a hollowed out 'shell' company. Only Microsoft's acquisition of it awaits.

That is why the total global market share of Windows phones remains abysmal, despite the sheer amount of marketing and money pumped into it.

I predict even RIM/Blackberry will leapfrog Windows phones in market share.

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not sexy but what do you expect at that price

I might consider this as a backup phone. Anecdotally, I suspect that a lower spec WP8 unit will be less sludgy than a droid costing the same amount.

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