quote: "If Nissan leaves and Rover re opens what do you think the quality of the product will be?"
Rover won't reopen, it got bought by India. But the skillset of the guys in Sunderland will still exist, and my point was we have already had one massive car factory closed yet apparently we still make cars here, and we still have the facility and ability to make cars here.
quote: "The reasons we no longer have a domestic car industry on any scale is due to the massive costs and the appaling quality so unless your idea of a car is a Trabant be careful what you wish for!"
Rover were shit, granted (MG only slightly better, in a few cases). But Nissan, built right here in the UK, aren't? So you are confirming that we can build quality vehicles in UK plant (Nissan in Sunderland), then claiming we can't build quality vehicles in the UK. Bit disingenuous? Rover's designs were the problem, not our local manufacturing or engineering skills. McLaren is a UK company too, you know, and if they saw a possible market they could be interested in the acreage at Longbridge (or even Sunderland tbh) :)
quote: "What's to stop the shortfall in supply simply being made up by increased imports from elsewhere?"
Nothing. If we can build it cheaper here than importing it, there is margin for a "local" company to compete. If we can't, then we have to import. Since (in the Nissan example) we already build those product here, then it's obvious to me that we can build it cheaper here already. I'm not asking us to force internationals out, just to plug the idiotic tax loopholes that they are honour-bound to exploit to their fullest (alternatively, give all citizens equal access to the same loopholes), and then let the market sort itself out. Which it will, since as I pointed out the demand for product doesn't magically disappear just because an international company got all butthurt about paying more tax and decided to up sticks.
quote: "Speaks someone with apparently little idea of logistics. Companies don't magically come out of thin air and even those that already exist can't just scale their operation to meet a massive increase in demand. Supply chains that don't exist don't just magic into being."
Do Nissan, or Starbucks, not have a supply chain for their current UK business? I wonder if they would be able to handle the output from "BNP Right-Wing Anti-Foreigner Cars Plc" (or whichever existing or new manufacturer, insert your own favourite comedy name here) that decides to take over the Sunderland plant when Nissan bugger off? Also, and to more fully address your point, they certainly can't do it instantly, I completely and wholeheartedly agree. But if the demand is there waiting to be fulfilled, you can bet your ass that companies in the same market segment will want in on that slice of pie, and they'll be able to find VCs to fund the expansion.
You're making it sound like international companies have us, as a country, by the balls and that if we refuse to let them pay fuck all tax here we're going to go down the shitter. I don't disagree per se but, by contrast, believe that the reason we look like we might be heading down the shitter is that companies like that pay fuck all tax here, yet have a large slice of our GDP funnelling out of the UK into various tax havens.
Our UK consumers already have that money they would have spent on <insert company name here>, and if they no longer have that choice, the money doesn't evaporate, and their wish to spend it on certain market segments stands a good chance of remaining too (e.g. new car, overpriced coffe with free wifi). Give them alternative options and they'll take them, whether it's an import from France or the new UK coffee shop down the road. You have however got rid of a bunch of cheap vultures sucking the economic lifeblood from the country to feed somewhere else; draconian internal tax regulations mean that the money stays with the draconian internal government, rather than scooting through a double Irish with a Dutch sandwich and off to foreign climes.