Re: I, for one...
No, they'll just keep using Windows 7.
Steve Ballmer is promising Microsoft is "all in" on the Windows 8 system and took to the stage, along with a mystery celebrity, to push the latest version of Microsoft's smartphone operating system at a launch event in San Francisco. "Today we're bringing phones into the Windows Family with Windows Phone 8," he said. "If you' …
No, they'll just keep using Windows 7.
Windows 8 Enterprise Professional sans visual fail edition?
I quite liked this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzPCc96ipjs
Who has lots of partners? Was that the girl or Microsoft. I'd be concerned for the kid if Mum can't keep track of all her partners, doesn't need a phone, needs to see a councilor or a minister.
Steve said he was gore to retire after the win 8 launch last year, just people have forgotten already.
I don't see anywhere that Jessica couldn't keep track of her partners, just that she didn't want her kids to email them.
.... is how and when historians will say that started the long fall of Microsoft.
Ooh! Ooh! Is it linux-on-the-desktop year again?
Like 1995? And 1998? And 2000? And 20003? And 2006? And 2010?
How much are you betting this time?
> Ooh! Ooh! Is it linux-on-the-desktop year again?
Do try and keep up, desktops are dying so it was replaced by 'Linux-on-the-mobile' a couple of years ago, and yes, it is.
In a couple of years time we will be wondering again when will it be 'windows-on-the-mobile' year. But it won't be.
No it's dogshit on a tablet year.
No, it's not. I was not saying that the demise of Microsoft means that the Linux desktop will rise. I don't know how it will happen. I just know that Microsoft is headed towards a long and painful decline and that the release of Windows 8 will be seen, from an historical perspective, as the turning point where Microsoft started to lose market share.
I don't know the exact point in time, but this will happen much in the same way that IE is no longer the dominant browser. At first, everything will look like normal, and your expensive consultants will keep telling you that Windows is still a promising bet in the tablet and desktop arena, and that it still has a huge market share advantage. Then the decline will start to be noticeable- Then everybody suddenly will start saying that they already knew since a long time ago that desktop and tablet Windows machines were no longer relevant and that it all started with the Windows 8 failure.
That will be the point where Windows and Microsoft will stop being the market juggernaut they have been until now. And no, I don't know if it will be Android, Mac or some other Unix derivative what will be replacing Windows.
But certainly will happen. Please save this comment on your bookmarks for when the time comes. In a few years, Windows will be something that people log into using VDI sessions to use their legacy business applications, and the expensive consultants will be selling solutions to migrate away from those VDI machines and avoid Windows completely.
Apple had invented the model smartphone UI and Android had copied it
What total fud. Don't let the facts get in the way. Just in case he forgot multitasking and cut and paste. First on android. Then decent notifications. First on android. And so on....
Saying it isn't true doesn't make it fact or true. And it isn't going to make apple not try and sue your ass if you look like taking any serious chunk out of their market share. Still, unlikely to happen with wp8.
First on Windows Mobile and Symbian actually, but don;t let that slow you down. Keep the hate coming. One day, you'll be right if only through statistics.
If we take what you say as true, Apple still didn't invent it, and Android still didn't copy it from Apple.
I realise that this is a drop in the ocean to correct all of the bizarre claims and counter-claims of the phone religions, but cut and paste and multitasking are nothing to do with the UI design. Come on - Android REALLY looks as though someone saw the iPhone and tried to copy it and extend it - badly. At least when it was launched. Now it looks a little different, and a little slicker, but still, very very similar concepts.
(Disclosure: not an Android or iOS user, but would pick Android if they were the only options)
Ok, I take your point that cut and paste and multitasking are functions of the UI not the UI itself.
Lets remove the fact they both have icons as this is as old as the hills, right back to he GEM desktop (remember that! - showing my age :)
We then get down to the fact that the two are actually very different. IOS has a screen by screen set of icons. In its initial incarnation (before they let you have folders) you could swipe left and right for apps and iirc you could re-order the icons.
Android, on the other hand, you used to click to open the 'app drawer' or and select your app from a scroll vertical list. You could also drop the icon on to the desktop. Android has from 1.6 also had widgets too. No icon re-ordering though. Always alphabetical
Either way, from a simple UI they are both very different.
Only my opinion, but they are imho different enough. To say one stole from the other in this respect is a lie. Similar in places, but overall very different. If he still wants to continue down the android copied apple line, lets look at Windows Phone Tiles and Android Widgets - :)
You spelled "moronic" incorrectly.
I want my tablet to look like a PC. I don't want my PC to look like a Speak & Spell toy.
Win 8 might be a (pair of) fine OS, but the GUI is revolting.
I don't want my tablet to look like a PC, or my PC to look like a tablet!
Tablets and PCs are different, and require different interfaces.
Trying to make them the same is fundamentally doomed to failure - you either get a tablet you can barely use because the UI expects accurate pointing and a keyboard, or a PC that you can barely use because it expects you to have a touchscreen (extremely tiring for long-term use), only one or two applications running and only one monitor.
Microsoft made the first mistake before - now they are making both mistakes at the same time.
Which is a shame - as a phone or tablet UI, TIFKAM looks like it is actually a pretty good idea. It's Android's live widgets but with sharper corners, and Samsung's Android multi-tasking.
Where Surface fails is the jarring change to the desktop, where Windows 8 fails is the jarring change to TIFKAM.
Windows Phone 8 doesn't have either of those, so might succeed - the risk is that Surface and Windows 8 break it by annoying and confusing customers.
Apple should be worried about WP8 - iOS still has zero info on the home screen, and they desperately need to fix that.
While I admit I'm a MS Fanboy, that made me laugh!
What? Does Jessica Alba really talk like that?
One of my tricks for avoiding arseholes is to ignore everything after the word "curate" is used. It's working pretty well so far.
I'm out of touch and so I don't know who Jessica Alba is, but I imagine her words were scripted by some MS drone.
> I don't know who Jessica Alba is
She did a TV programme called "Dark Angel". It's worth a watch. With the sound down.
I thought Apple had a patent on the term 'awesomely delightful' !
Hmm, now what is it that bean counters have ample access to again? Rhymes with honey.
LG Nexus 4 for around £239 ...
This company is dead - they just don't know it yet.
"Windows Phone 8 has been built around a customizable interface made up of "live tile" applications which constantly update new data, he said, touting this move as being about making the phone about people, not applications." = what a load of crap. Its about the APPS. Its why they are forcing METRO to replace Windows.
Live tiles are only useful on a mobile Launcher screen... for the the most part, really don't seem to super useful. And of course, with Android - its simple to use a WP7/8 like Launcher such as Launcher7 and Launcher8 which can be installed on any Android device.
I used to run Launcher 7 on my old Galaxy. But once I got a modern Motorola with ICS, I didn't feel the need to re-install Launcher7 or 8.
Some of my friends who OWNED WP7 devices have gone to Samsung GS3 or other Android ICS handsets.
Not many people really care about METRO....
"Live tiles are only useful on a mobile Launcher screen"
Oh boy have I been wrong! I've been using them and finding them very useful on my laptops and desktops too!
Sorry, I thought that it was actually I who decided what to find useful on my devices, and not you. I'll correct my mistake and remove the live tiles immediately!
So, the live tiles are not a copy of Android widgets?
Well, there were many other platforms with widgets before Android, so how do you decide which one copied which?
LOL not even close, goes to show that you should just keep quiet about something you obviously know nothing about if you think the android widgets are anything like live tiles.
Had a phone with a Windows operating system *ONCE* will never make that mistake again.
And when I get to the point I have to learn a new interface, it will be a flavour of Linx/Unix and NOT Windows 8.
On the face of it, Microsoft's got a good case to make for Phone 8 as it stands. The hardware looks reasonably good, although in the US AT&T has a lock on what looks like the best handset (Nokia's Lumia 920) and Verizon's exclusively getting the latest Samsung hardware once its ready.
Really, the Lumia 920 is reasonably good? How about the best on the market, you guys are sad that you cannot even write a legitimate review of a device and give it the proper attention that it deserves. I have been visiting this site for years and you really are going downhill with some of the innuendo at this point.
Microsoft are almost giving Windows 8 away (Under £30 for the pro version upgrade). They really want to lock people into this new 'app-shop' business model because it they would make money off every app sold. This is a terrible deal for developers and consumers and I hope Windows 8 fails big time.
In addition, the new multicoloured tiles interface is ugly and childish. I want my OS to be almost invisible, to be sleek, fast, efficient and stylish.
Microsoft are moving away from the goal.
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