Plus, the customer WILL need heavy water.If it does what it says. Ordinary water doesn't have the required neutrons.. ;) No mention of this, so far? Or does Mr Neutron do doorstep deliveries, like the milkman? ;)
E-Cat pitching cold fusion to Australians
A company established in January 2012 is offering the Rossi E-Cat (“energy catalyzer”) to Australians. E-Cat Australia is offering pre-orders for a 1MW unit with “an estimated delivery time of 3 months”, and allowing people to pre-register for a domestic unit promising shipping in 2013. Attempts had been made to promote E-Cat …
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Wednesday 18th July 2012 10:17 GMT Anonymous Coward
Doesn't happen with Ni and H, anywhere in the known universe, despite the rather obvious equipment advantages of stars. Coulomb barrier. Would produce rather a lot of Gamma radiation anyway, as would using neutrons instead, clearly Rossi's tinfoil would not stop that radiation. How about we plug it into a portable petrol or diesel generator with a metered 240VAC output and see how much juice it is drawing? No need to rewire anything, my guess is we will need a genny with more than 4.5kW output ;)
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Friday 20th July 2012 06:54 GMT MacDroid
I wouldn't use that kind of logic for this...
OK, where in the universe does elemental nickle come into contact with pressurized pure hydrogen gas? The only place I'm aware of that happening is here on earth when humans do it. The only place this might happen is in a star, and even then the percentage of heat produced by the Ni process would probably be abysmally small. So can you really use the logic that it doesn't happen anywhere else in the universe? Using that logic iPhones shouldn't exist because they do not exist anyplace else in the universe.
Cheers, Frank
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Friday 20th July 2012 17:18 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: I wouldn't use that kind of logic for this...
I think your answers are respectively-
-the sun contains a significant abundance of nickel, and is primarily composed of hydrogen
-the sun does not fuse hydrogen with nickel, it still has mostly nickel not copper despite the high temperatures and pressure for billions of years.
-copper IS produced, but in older cooler stars like Red Giants, they produce magnesium plus a neutron, and the neutrons are used in nickel-neutron reactions to make copper, hydrogen is not used.
-the natural isotope ratio of copper on Earth and elsewhere show that this has happened
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/12/05/the-nuclear-physics-of-why-we/
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Saturday 21st July 2012 20:40 GMT MacDroid
Re: I wouldn't use that kind of logic for this...
Re: I wouldn't use that kind of logic for this...
"copper IS produced, but in older cooler stars like Red Giants, they produce magnesium plus a neutron, and the neutrons are used in nickel-neutron reactions to make copper, hydrogen is not used."
So, even without a lattice structure to load hydrogen as a potential neutron donor (can't see a crystal lattice existing in a red giant) there are nickel neutron reactions.
Still, pure hydrogen loading a metallic latice does not exist in the universe except here, so any reasoning that involves probabilities any where else in the universe is flawed.
It is flawed physics not take mans ability to alter probabilities into account when explaining a process. Think about it, how many fissile explosions would occur on the surface of the earth if man were not present? The probability of a such explosions without man's influence is much lower than with. The same applies to fusion as well.
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Tuesday 17th July 2012 14:52 GMT Horridbloke
It's a convoluted promotion
Remember Steorn, the company that tried it on with their magnets 'n' motors based perpetual motion machine several years ago? A few people suspected it was a weird promotional thing for Halo 3. I suspect this latest one is to raise interest in Halo 4.
(I see Steorn still has a web site. The page about the Orbo is an amusing goobledegook comedown from the previous grand claims.)
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Tuesday 17th July 2012 19:45 GMT Anonymous Coward
So, if it makes copper, then surely we can test it in controlled circumstances where it extrudes a nice coppery ingot or a lurrveley green or blue coppery solution, which absolutely haven't been placed it it beforehand? Of course it would produce one of the few nice showy (and cheap) *coloured* metals or compounds wouldn't it, not one of the boring ordinary grey ones ....... ;)
Incidentally, by my reckoning, each individual Nickel atom is, in addition to gaining 1 proton i.e. bog-standard hydrogen nucleus with no neutron, is going to need to gain about 4 neutrons per atom to make it into one Copper atom. So who's donating all the extra neutrons, the Salvation Army? Some other atoms going on a neutron-reduction diet? Ov. not the hydrogen, unless it is almost pure deuterium or tritium ;)
And if so, then they must show that their company has a BIG appetite for honest-to-goodness high-grade heavy water. :) Oh and it needs to turn into neutron-depleted heavy water afterwards otherwise no dice.
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Tuesday 17th July 2012 20:18 GMT Anonymous Coward
Of course you might wanna check that the "neutron depleted" heavy water isn't remarkably similar to local tapwater, distilled or not, or Evian, or Halfords finest vintage Eau for topping up batteries.
Plus, if they are using heavy water as they need to be, then they prob need an official license and supplier, who should normally be willing to say so, otherwise it's all a bit naughty?
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Thursday 19th July 2012 12:25 GMT Libertynewspost
"Cold Fusion" LENR Primer
What a bunch of ignorant hicks here. If you can read you should educate yourself on what "Cold Fusion" or Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR) really is. Also, to sell any type of power source you need to get the the proper regulatory certifications which are currently in the process. If the E-cat shows up you can be sure that it works.
The list of organizations who have verified that it is real and viable continues to grow:
NASA, DARPA, National Laboratories, M.I.T...
There are at least four companies that are racing to the market:
Here is M.I.T's site:
http://jet.xvm.mit.edu/
Check out this power point:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/99464146/Final-Lenr-Market-Development-Ilents12-Ppt03-By-Jim-Dunn
This Video:
http://youtu.be/wu18QvNLl_Y
Short History:
http://nucat-energy.com/low-energy-nuclear-reactions/short-history/
Background Info:
http://lenr-canr.org/
Companies that plan to release a "Cold Fusion Product:
http://ecat.com/
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/
http://www.brillouinenergy.com/
http://jet.xvm.mit.edu/
Current Industry News:
http://www.e-catworld.com/
Don't be ignorant.
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Friday 20th July 2012 06:14 GMT Esskay
Re: "Cold Fusion" LENR Primer
Your link to "M.I.T's Site" is actually a link to "Jet Energy", a company that appears to play up the "discovery" of cold fusion by Pons & Fleischmann in 1989, and *all* citaions for information on the site are from a single author (M. Schwartz), and his Journal articles only appear in the "Journal of Cold Fusion" (which has previously accepted articles that were rejected by the journal "Nature"), or "The Journal of New Energy".
I believe Defkallion were originally linked to e-cat (and haven't had a working, verifiable demonstration of their machine), nor have Brillouin, nor have AmpEnergo.
And if the proper "regulatory certifications" haven't been obtained, why then is ecat.com accepting preorders?!
The entire history of cold fusion is frought with experiments whose results can't be replicated, and experiments that have demonstrated no excess energy being created. The scepticism of the wider scientific community is not ignorance - in fact it is due to an acute awareness of the number of attempts that have been made to replicate the Pons & Fleischmann experiment, and the number of times the results have demonstrated no excess energy being created.
Since you're obviously not ignorant, I suppose you're also aware of the number of experiments that have demonstrated differing results from those obtained in the original experiment? Science doesn't progress by holding onto hunches and wishful thinking - Rossi can make all the scepticism go away - just produce something that works, and can be verified independently. Until that happens, why should anyone believe him?
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Friday 20th July 2012 19:21 GMT Libertynewspost
Cold Fusion Energy - For the Ignorant: Yes, it Really is True!
For those who may have just stumbled upon the reality of "Cold Fusion" it can be a somewhat Buck Roger like experience, like waking up in the future and wondering "How did that happen?".
http://libertynewspost.blogspot.com/2012/07/cold-fusion-energy-for-ignorant-yes-it.html
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Saturday 21st July 2012 01:06 GMT Esskay
Re: Cold Fusion Energy - For the Ignorant: Yes, it Really is True!
I was wondering why someone had signed up just two days ago in order to post comments solely on this story. Now I realise - it's to push their own website.
I'm still yet to see independently verified results that demonstrate how "true" cold fusion is - but you'll be presenting those to us shortly, no?
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