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As part of the slow death of Adobe's Flash Player, the company has announced it won't be making a certified version for Android's new 4.1 OS – aka Jelly Bean. Adobe said on its blog that it won't be developing Flash for Android 4.1. The software company said it will also start taking steps to phase the player out of the Google …

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    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: That's the BBC Android iPlayer fixed then!

      >I wonder if Adobe have given advance notice to the likes of the BBC

      It's been clear since CS5 - so two software releases - that Adobe was Flash Platform mobile to AIR..... but they've also been explicit about the runtimes since the Flex debacle http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html .

      A critical bit of the Adobe posting on demise of FP in JellyDroid is that no-one bothers to report (I think because suprisingly few journos understand the difference between Flash and Flash Player) says..

      "Our future work with Flash on mobile devices will be focused on enabling Flash developers to package native apps with Adobe AIR for all the major app stores"

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hmm.

    Does this mean that the BBC might have to retract their stance of 'We only support flash devices*' for iPlayer.

    *Unless you're running iFruit, obviously. We couldn't possibly not support that.

  2. Ale

    Quote from the nexus 7 guidebook.

    "Important: Flash isn’t available

    with Chrome for Android. if you

    need Flash, download the browser

    from the Google Play store app ."

    Sorted.

  3. M Gale
    FAIL

    Wow, I can't wait.

    The bajillion and one websites which won't be completely redesigned in html5.

    Anything halfway near complex.

    In fact anything more than a couple of objects bouncing around.

    Flash may suck. However for doing the things Flash does well, HTML5 sucks donkey dick and loves it. "Not Ready For Prime Time" is a phrase that comes to mind. Especially not on some battery operated ARM thing.

    Hey, I can't wait for animated HTML5 adverts either, I'm sure they'll only take four or five times the CPU power to render!!!!

    1. Christian Berger

      Re: Wow, I can't wait.

      Animated HTML5 adverts are no problem. That's what noscript is for.

      Dear Advertisers. I don't mind text ads or animated GIFs, but I will _not_ execute your code. Thank you!

      1. Mike G

        Re: Wow, I can't wait.

        except noscript won't do much about css3 animations will it

  4. yossarianuk

    Why are google supporting Flash on Linux and not Android ?

    One thing I don't get..

    Now that adobe has finally given up supporting Flash on Linux (although not supporting it will probably be a better effort than when they pretending to do so like they used to....) future flash releases will be on Chrome only and the plugin is supported directly by Google (they have to be better than Adobe)

    http://www.muktware.com/3778/chrome-20-google-takes-over-adobe-flash-linux-development

    If Google are bothering to develop the Flash plugin on Linux why not Android too ?

    p.s - The solve the Smurf issue (although watching the news in the blue LSD theme is actually quite fun), either use a good distro (i.e Arch and use the AUR package with the fix), or see

    http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2518770&postcount=104

    Or just disable hardware acceleration and restart the browser.

    It's almost like Adobe did the Smurf issue on purpose - one last FU linux !

    Adobe must be worried about their future.

  5. The FunkeyGibbon
    Joke

    16 years old...

    ....and it just got fucked. :-)

    Flash has done well to last this long but like the old faithful hound who can't stop shitting on the carpet, it's time to put it down.

    1. heyrick Silver badge

      Re: 16 years old...

      Now that the flash life cycle is coming to an end, why don't they open-source it so people can fix it up (or die in horror...)? As much as I've seen some horrid things done with/to flash, there are some things flash does well, certainly a lot better than hodge-podge not-quite-standards that may have support and/or implementation quirks even worse than flash.

      1. Glen 1
        Gimp

        Re: Open Source

        that will mean flash takes longer to die.

        Converging on one set of standard that can be supported directly the the browser makers is a Good Thing.

        Open sourcing flash will mean those flash devs spend longer developing for a platform that will become increasingly non-default (users having download plugin, or it is flat out not supported) and see their marketable skills dwindle instead of biting the bullet and moving on. Indeed, perhaps the addition of former flash devs to the standards clamour will improve HTML/javascript/SVG. However, that would require feature requests/alterations to have a better reason than "because flash did it that way"

        The real trick is the move from adobe flash professional to either EDGE or something like Aptana

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Cue all the Fandroids saying "We don't really need it anyway". But when iOS didn't have Flash it was a huge weakness apparently.

    1. Christian Berger

      Actually I always said that iOS not having Flash was the only good thing about it.

    2. Jean-Paul

      Re: queu all the fandroids

      You are spot on, for years they've been winching on and on how rubbish the iPhone is without flash..Hey I guess they are the real sheep just a little slow and follow surely but late...

    3. Peter 48
      Stop

      And it still is, all that is happening now is that Android is being dragged down to Apple's level. Yay for lack of choice and limiting the Web!

    4. heyrick Silver badge

      Actually, you might need it on Android. Some streaming TV doesn't work any other way. Depends what your needs are, really...

  7. Gil Grissum
    Pint

    FLASH is supported on iOS

    iOS has two browser options that support flash for a small fee (vBrowswer Pro and Photon). It's pretty funny that I have Flash support on my iOS devices but it's being pulled from Android. LOL!!!

    1. M Gale

      Re: FLASH is supported on iOS

      Running the Flash site on some honking big data centre and then streaming it to your device is not "Flash support on iOS".

      By that measure, my Droid devices support a fuckload of PC games via the OnLive client. You know, the one that's still not been released for iOS?

      Now stop being silly.

  8. thomas k.

    I still don't understand ...

    ... how videos will play in the browser once Flash is gone.

    Will the browser just call another, suitable player/plug-in to play videos (for the offered format) or will HTML5 itself include codecs (like mp4 or that Googly one) to play the videos natively in the browser?

    1. uhuznaa

      Re: I still don't understand ...

      Exactly. Video isn't the problem at all. Of course if you browse with Flash installed you will see Flash video all over the place but without it you'll just get your video served by other means, mostly.

      The problem are games and such things. And many sites designed by "designers" that are just a big blob of shivering Flash. If you don't need those, just forget that something called "Flash" ever existed.

  9. 2metoo
    Facepalm

    Bugger.

    I've had several occasions where the wisdom of Jobs left me in the poo while out and about. If I'm trying to find a physical shop address and their website / address finder ran Flash, the comedy brick symbol did not leave me thinking "Ooh, tut, tut, they should have done that in HTML5".

    Just moved to Android ICS from a fruit and now you are telling me a stake is being driven through my new shiny Flash icon in the next upgrade. WAH!

    1. Azzy

      Re: Bugger.

      Since you've just switched from Apple to Android, let me explain something to you...

      Android phones don't get OS upgrades in anything resembling a timely manner, if ever. Your contract will be up before you see 4.1 on your phone!

      The manufacturers often don't bother with the upgrades (because they've got larger product lines to make updates for). When they do (like Samsung does occasionally), the network operators don't bother upgrading, under the guise of needing time to update their operator specific apps. I mean, why would either the manufacturer or the operator want to help you upgrade your phone? They both have a vested interest in you wanting to buy a new phone (with a newer more expensive plan)!

      I've got the AT&T Galaxy Note (the 4G version), so we're expecting the ICS update (which also adds a bunch of new pen-optimized Samsung apps that make the S-Pen useful - so it's a big deal update) in Q2 (which was already delayed from the original estimate of May). With 1 day of Q2 to go, our chances of an update are looking pretty slim.

      So, don't worry about an update breaking flash for you, you won't get an update unless you root your phone and do it yourself.

  10. Khaptain Silver badge

    Thoses f****ing updates

    I for one won't miss the fu***ing flash updates every other day.

    1. Khaptain Silver badge

      Re: Thoses f****ing updates

      Quick correction, there are very few updates on Android I was thinking more about Windows.

      So long and thanks for all the fish flash

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Flame

      Re: Thoses f****ing updates

      Chinese Intelligence will miss their most-used API.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Really.

    Didn't el-reg tell us that we wouldn't be able to use Flash on ICS, and yet we can just fine.. And it's been updated frequently ever since...

    This is mostly word twisting methinks.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So now Google is not supporting Flash, then that's ok, but not if Apple do it.

    Ok - got it.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      So now Google is not supporting Flash, then that's ok, but not if Apple do it.

      actually, it is Adobe that is no longer supporting it. Read the article again and then read the blog post.

      Adobe is focusing on Adobe AIR on the mobile and are going to stop supporting the standalone Flash player.

  13. Gil Grissum
    Pint

    Flash is only good for one thing. PORN TUBE WEBSITES. As long as they exist, someone will be using Flash and with the v.Browser Pro and Photon Browsers for iPhone, I can still be entertained with Flash while you're Jelly Beans won't be. LOL!!!! FAIL!!!!

    1. M Gale

      So...

      ...what happens when someone does the same "run it in a data centre and stream it to the device" cheat that Photon and vBrowser use?

      Enjoy your lack of OnLive client. I think I'm going to go play Unreal Tournament 3. On a phone.

      Or maybe on a tablet?

      I'm kind of undecided there.

      1. Gio Ciampa

        Re: So...

        And not forgetting the fact that there are other Flash players out there (admittedly of varying quality), and there's nothing to stop someone porting it to Android...

        ...not an option those in the (i)Garden have...

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      re: no porn

      youporn works fine without flash, but the ads dont :)

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  15. handy

    SkyFire

    Does not matter too much, people will just start using browsers which convert flash content .

  16. Azzy

    I'll bet Google is pissed over this! (And Amazon is cheering)

    However miserable flash is (and it is terrible and always has been), unfortunately this plague still infects 23% of websites ( http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cp-flash/all/all ) - that means, lots of people need (or want) to use sites that need flash player.

    Until this announcement, one assumed that Google could use the support for Flash as one of the selling points for the Nexus 7, just as Amazon can with it's Fire. It doesn't matter for most people, but it's very important for a small but significant portion of users. And now Adobe has pulled the plug on that. I'm surprised that Google was unable to pull some strings to get Flash on it's new tablet to give it that selling point (maybe Amazon was pulling strings in the other direction?)

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Up

    Flash has run it's course..

    From a historical perspective, it *was* a killer app for many developers.

    Certainly, hideous crimes were committed using the platform - and obviously, that will never happen with HTML5 canvas, oh no, not at all!

    Flash bought the web forward in a *massive* way, which we completely take fore-granted now.

    Before Flash, video on the web - well, it was laughable. Sure, part of that had to do with bandwidth, but to a large extent, Flash made putting video content onto the web viable.

    Yes, it never was very good cross platform - on Linux, it's always been terrible. On Mac, well, not much better.

    It's day is done, but don't rewrite history here - it served a very valuable purpose in bringing interactive multimedia content to the web.

    Some may argue that this was the death of the web, that the web was never intended to be a rich multimedia experience, that it was simply to serve up text. Well, some people have neck beards and wear plaid shirts. They exist in the minority.

    What we are left with, without flash video, is a bit of a mess of codec support.

    It's currently more complicated to provide a cross platform experience - not impossible, just more complicated. I'm sure this will get far easier over time.

    It's a good move and above all else, damn exciting too.

    I can't wait to see what devs will be producing in 6, 12, 24 months from now.

    Already, we're seeing some very compelling content - and we're able to see that across all devices, without the need for a proprietary third party plugin.

    I'm massively stoked to be a developer again - it reminds me of the heady days of the web, '93 through to '99 - loads of great ideas, new developments, excitement over browser releases.

    We then had a phase of - to be honest - drudgery. '00 to '05 were boring years for web developers by comparison - at least those not involved in developing the next wave. There was far too much propriety shit happening, far too much dominance by microsoft and we had the dot.com crash followed by an almighty hangover.

    Now we've got mobile just taking off in a massive way, connectivity has ramped up by an order of magnitude, the amount of choice available is incredible and we've finally got - to a certain extent - a set of standards that are being adopted to ensure continuity.

    Whilst the economy is going to hell in a handbag, there's still a bit of wiggle room for web developers - there's work to be had, at least, for now.

    Viva HTML5, goodbye to the old faithful Flash, out to pasture with you old friend, you've served us well.

  18. Antoinette Lacroix

    When Flash was young, I did a few applications for friends and I quite liked it. Today, it's mostly about ads and videos but Flash can do much more than that. Everything went well as long as Macromedia was in charge. Then came Adobe . . . Imho they should have stuck to Photoshop / Illustrator.

  19. mickey mouse the fith

    I really dunno why everyone moans about flash, i have never had a problem with it on any of my devices.

    Iplayer works fine on my Android phone as does every other flash based site.

    noscript+adblock ensured that i wasnt bothered with flash ads.

    When I had an idevice it was a right pain not having flash for sites like tvshack etc.

    Html5 just isnt as good, I tried the youtube html5 beta thing and it really was subpar, no indication of where u were in the video and lower quality picture and sound.

    I think Jobs banned it because most types of games on the app store could be had for free on flash based websites rather than any technical issue with performance etc.

    1. Christian Berger

      The problems with Flash are that it's:

      a) Proprietary formats which are mostly documented by its code

      b) a very complex piece of software supporting multiple scripting languages

      c) Code from the 1990s, the decade when every body believed they could write C(++) code. That code is riddled with buffer overflows and other bugs which can be used for remote code execution.

      Each one of those points would already be a show stopper for anybody who wants a reliable and maintainable system.

      You may be to young to have seen the problems people had with proprietary file formats. It's not uncommon for people not to be able to read their files from the 1980s or even the 1990s. Once a software product is no longer available, you cannot read your files anymore.

      Many companies have been hit badly by Flash exploits. It's one of the more common infection vectors. Flash causes millions of damage, from direct damage by counter measures from data breaches to sales of snake oil.

  20. Stevie

    Bah!

    Well, okay, if you all say Flash should die I suppose it should. Who am I to go against collective wisdom and the baying hounds of progress?

    Pity though. The design desk for Flash 4 (the version I own, long superseded) is hands-down the most intuitive digital drawing interface I've ever seen and used. Kids take to it with a few seconds of instruction like a duck takes to water, and they get great results in minutes.

    I recently needed to make a very simple animation to illustrate a situation involving a person walking down a street and turning into an alleyway. A backdrop, a couple of user-generated shape objects, a few keyframes and a motion tween. It took me 45 minutes from "Gawd I haven't done this in 10 years" to "Job done".

    Which should be acknowledged as a major win for the (Macromedia) design team. All user interfaces should be so intuitive.

    1. Glen 1
      Holmes

      Re: Bah!

      It is *Adobe* that wont be supporting flash on mobile. If it's the user interface you're worried about, take a look at Adobe's HTML5 editor - Edge

      1. Tom 7

        Re: Bah!

        I don’t want Adobes HTML5 editor. Anything that enables people to create similar shit to the shit they made for Flash must be bad. My kids play online flash games with graphics that a ZX81 could handle and they manage to use 8Gbyte a month. It seems every image is downloaded a zillion times and I somehow doubt that Adobe will do it in way that allows the browser to cache them.

  21. dannymot

    been very happy with flash on my android over the years. I don't need to pray for a quick death. My phones will happily adapt with the times. Flash will still be useful for a good while after the iPhone 4 is an out of date bag of !"£$. Nothing visionary about not putting it on your phones that Flash will outlast.

  22. the-it-slayer
    Gimp

    Well, well, well... that's one for the history books

    By fandroid standards and when Jobs refused Flash's entry to iOS, Android is just as crap as iOS now as it doesn't support "suck-my-battery-plugin" anymore? Yep, it was a pinnacle reason most fandroids turned to the robot. Oh now you're saying Flash will last past the iOS existance (or at least some of the hardware)?

    Don't do a u-turn like UK gov does all the time. You must now sell your Android phones and buy what's left (RIM or Windows Phone - hahaha).

    Anyway, Flash will die when the updates for it stop coming. My bet is the next 24 months.

  23. Scott Anderson
    Megaphone

    The FLASH PLUGIN is going away on mobile, not FLASH

    Yiminy, but Adobe has the most completely inept marketing department. Ever.

    Here's the deal: this is the end of the Flash Browser Plugin on mobile, not the Flash Platform. Adobe is concentrating on games and high end video, and will continue to support mobile via AIR, which is based on the Flash Platform. Why Adobe doesn't mention this in every press release like this is beyond me. I am, however, getting a little irritated at all of the incomplete reporting on it. *hint hint*

    http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html

    "Adobe continues to actively invest in enabling developers to create and deploy Flash based content as mobile (and desktop) applications via Adobe AIR."

    Of course, maybe they've decided that the Flash name has too much baggage. But every time Adobe releases one of these dumb-assed announcements the rest of the world goes OH FLASH IS DED NO JOHN RINGO NO OH NOES and then Adobe have to spend the next year repairing the damage so developers can convince businesses that no, it actually isn't going away and really, it's ok if we develop your flash-in-a-pan (heh) mobile crapp using this very productive environment instead of something that will take 2 to 3 times as long like HTML5 or native.

    I want my damn Paris Hilton icon.

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Don't know why people are complaining

    It's not like you are going to actually get Jellybean on your top of the range Android phones anyway.... I still know people with the Gallaxy S II that haven't got ICS. And don't give me crap about using custom ROMs because the average joe punter doesn't know or care about them. Android sucks at updating and until they sort that out it will always be in the shadow of iOS

    1. illiad

      Re: Don't know why people are complaining

      too right!! I guess it will be another year or more for jelly to actually be available, *plenty* of time for alternatives to be made, adobe to realize they ate losing cash, and attempt another u-turn, or even try suing google for producing what it should have, buying it , and releasing it as the new thing to produce buggy media with!!!

    2. Mark .

      Re: Don't know why people are complaining

      But the comparison should be in when people get actual features. If the slower Android rollout meant Android devices were months behind IPhones in terms of features, then you might have a point. But if anything, the reverse is true - how many years did you have to wait for basic features like multitasking? Did you finally get copy and paste? The idea that any platform is in the shadow of IOS is laughable, considering how it's played catchup on so many features for years.

      I hear that the killer feature of IOS 6 will be maps. Welcome to 2006!

  25. hi_robb
    Mushroom

    All together now..

    Flash - argghh ah, saviour of the universe.

  26. Anonymous Coward 15

    HTML5 is a solution waiting for a problem. A browser without Flash is as broken as a mail client without POP3- lots of people use webmail, but there is a considerable existing installed base.

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