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Far from being a mere staple of science fiction, plenty of flying cars really do exist, we're told. But there's one problem: hardly anyone knows how to fly them. That's according to Professor Michael Decker of MyCopter, the personal helicopter project at German university KIT. Speaking at the Hitachi EU Science & Technology …

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    1. Circadian
      Trollface

      Re: his engineers have found batteries that could power a flight for 100km (62 miles).

      yeh - there's a f'ing long cable to a swimming pool of chemicals to power it (please note icon!)

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Joke

      Re: his engineers have found batteries that could power a flight for 100km (62 miles).

      To be fair he just said they'd found batteries that could power it for that far - he didn't say they'd actually fit in the thing!

    3. Irongut

      Re: his engineers have found batteries that could power a flight for 100km (62 miles).

      Even if true it's too short to be of any real use.

    4. Imsimil Berati-Lahn
      Black Helicopters

      Re: his engineers have found batteries that could power a flight for 100km (62 miles).

      Sure, they've found the batteries that'll do it...

      They said nothing about the helicopter actually CARRYING said batteries though.

      Amendment in really small print: "Oh yeah, you'll need a huge truck to haul these batteries underneath your hover-mobile for the duration though."

      1. Richard 12 Silver badge

        Re: his engineers have found batteries that could power a flight for 100km (62 miles).

        More to the point, they never said how big the flying thing was.

        Perhaps a 60 mile range TacoCopter?

    5. Peter Simpson 1
      Mushroom

      Re: his engineers have found batteries that could power a flight for 100km (62 miles).

      Attached to a Mr. Fusion...

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  2. NomNomNom

    great, flying carbombs.

  3. Jon Morby
    FAIL

    Where will you land?

    Sadly this all comes at a time when the UK Govt are closing down as many local / small airfields as they can find.

    They're either giving planning permission to built flats or supermarkets on them, or just letting them go bankrupt and failing to support them despite the revenues they bring to the local community :(

    It wasn't all that long ago that I discounted Sheffield as a place to open a call center. Why? Well the nearest airport was suddenly Doncaster ... despite there having been one in Sheffield City for years. This is now a Tescos! :(

    Look at the USA, they support their local airfields with grants and ensure they're maintained for 99+ years whenever the FAA/Gov provides funding. This covenant guarantees the future of the regional economies.

    We may have been slow to bring personal flight to the masses over the last 50 years or so, but now isn't the time to abandon local airfields (which account for hundreds, if not potentially thousands of jobs in their local communities) just as the dream is becoming a reality!

    And yes, I fly ... when I can ... I can do Scotland and/or Cornwall and back in a day. Use the train or car and I lose 2 days. For my business the only way we can operate is by use of private aircraft. Not big expensive BizJets, but small and cost effective single engine aircraft. 4 Can fly to the Isle of Man for a meeting for £600 return. Try doing that on a scheduled airline in the same day!

    1. druck Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: Where will you land?

      I flew in to Sheffield just before it closed, we had to battle though (or rather around) snow showers, staying under low cloud in icing conditions for hours, before the weather finally cleared a corridor up the M1 and made a left turn in to Sheffield. Where we meet with vicious wind sheer across the runway from the buildings when just about to touch down. Worse than that, after having to do a go around and a second approach the cafe had just closed! As it was a bank holiday Monday, nothing was open for miles,so we had to get a taxi to Sheffield Arena for something eat, before attempting a flight back through the snow showers again. I'm sad it's closed now, but it was a lot of hassle just for somewhere to get lunch.

      1. Amazing Stace

        Re: Where will you land?

        Wait, you FLEW to Sheffield for LUNCH!?

        Sheffield has some nice restaurants but I wouldn't get a plane into the city to have a meal in the airport cafe...

  4. Hnk0

    In London, 50% of car trips are under 2 miles. There is only little/extortionate car parking (let alone helicopter) in zone 1, where most work. The energy usage of anything flying, but especially VTOL, is an order of magnitude larger than for ground transport. Helicopters are LOUD and inefficient.

    For all these reasons flying cars are, unfortunately, a dream. In the meantime there are tried and tested solutions that do work and help with all those problems: congestion, parking, energy (fossil/electric), and pollution. Those solutions are unsexy but work, they are efficient public transport, cycling, car sharing and remote working. Shame the powers that be are so uninterested in them.

    1. Danny 14
      Alert

      hmm

      I'd still say the problem will be the drivers/pilots. I'd quit flying when the first flying transit van is unveiled. Or flying BMW/Audi.

  5. Minophis
    WTF?

    Finally the future is here.

    While buzzing around in flying cars seems like an episode of the jetsons brought to life I can't see it solving congestion problems. To have an impact on congestion a significant proportion of the commuting poulation has to buy these and it does seem unlikely they will be able to afford it and be willing to try. Surley an easier way to reduce congestion would be to encourage buisinesses to use home working where possible and invest in a decent public transport infrastructure. I don't think either of these things will happen, I'm just saying it seems easier.

    1. (AMPC) Anonymous and mostly paranoid coward
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      Re: Finally the future is here.@Minophis

      Couldn't agree more.

      One of the first paybacks from encouraging people to work from home and/or take public transport is the immediate reduction in their personal consumption of fossil fuels. A staggering percentage of the planet's petroleum consumption is used to move people and goods around (50 to 70 %, depending on who you believe).

      I would profess that this is still one of the biggest problems confronting the human race/planet. Excess oil consumption is causing wars, pollution, GW, economic upheaval and traffic congestion to boot. If everyone could significantly reduce their transport needs (by staying home,car-pooling or taking a train) it would probably have a greater impact on the energy problem than any number of windmills, government grants or hybrid motor designs. I am only saying this because the percentage of overall oil consumption used for personal transport has hardly budged since the 1970s. Whatever we are doing, it isn't working very well.

      Reducing consumption is one of the simplest and most effective approaches to the complex problems generated by the over-consumption of a dwindling natural resource. Unfortunately, to do it, we would all have to change our lifestyles and workstyles. If conservation really caught on, it would also dramatically reduce the whacking great tax revenues that governments collect at the pump. So this simple and effective solution is the one most unlikely to be adopted, I guess, until oil has cracked the 400$ a barrel ceiling. Then we will all adjust, for sure.

      Although flying cars sound fab, RDP will get me to work much faster and for a lot less money, today. Call me old-fashioned, but I honestly believe that if everyone could bite the bullet and take the same conservative approach, we might even save enough money to produce something really nifty like Star Trek transporter technology.

      1. Danny 14

        Re: Finally the future is here.@Minophis

        I'd love to work from home. Worst thing about schools are the children.

  6. Dave 126 Silver badge

    How bloody noisy?

    How noisy would these things be? It would make a city and suburbs unbearable to work and live in, not to mention confusing the hell out the birds who use sound for communication.

    That said, and in answer to the problem of using fuel to attain cruising altitude: I like the idea of jumping off the top of a skyscraper with a hang-glider at the end of each day, and gliding home. Going into work I wouldn't be in such a rush : D

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sounds like bullshit to me

    "A MyCopter costs about as much as a flash top-end car, but this price could come down to the level of a mid-range motor by the time the project gets, er, off the ground."

    Based on what data does a MyCopter "cost the same as a flash top-end car"? And is this a BMW M3 (55,000 GBP) or a Bugatti Veyron (1,000,000 GBP)?

    Given the amount of certification required by aircraft and all the associated parts, I can't see the price getting much lower than a current low-end light aircraft (e.g. 110,000 USD for a Cessna 162).

    Something like the M3 sells in relatively big numbers compared to aircraft; I can't see "flying cars" being as popular as the Prof thinks, mainly because they aren't very versatile - you couldn't tow a caravan/trailer (although this does seem like a benefit actually) or stick a bike rack on it or use it to pop down to the shops (the footprint will make parking a nightmare). So you'd need to have a ground car as well as a flying car. Who has that sort of money besides footballers (do you seriously want Wayne Rooney operating a flying machine) and bankers?

    The flying car is a solution to a single problem: "I live out of the city, but i have to go there to work; and so do loads of other people". It doesn't solve the "going a long distance" problem particularly well because the speed/range of a flying car is not adequate for distances over a couple of hundred miles (may as well use a real aircraft and put up with the drive to/from the airport).

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Kickstarter!

    OK, if they are that sure of themselves, let the start a Kickstarter project!

    (a battery driven helo making 100km - pull the other one, my ass is crooked.

    And assuming this is true - why not use smaller batteries and something like a Capstone turbine generator - batteries for take-off power, turbine to make electricity for cruise. This is an aircraft: every kilo's sacred, every kilo's great, if a kilo's wasted, God get quite irate!)

  9. Mike Flugennock
    FAIL

    Deja Vu all over again

    D'ah, big damn' deal. This shit's been hyped up forever, like in this old issue of Mechanix Illustrated from the early 1950s? I don't know about you, but I think the mom and little boy in that illustration look positively terrified, as if they're about to be blown off the roof by Dad's rotor wash.

    Oh, and btw, let's not forget this little humdinger... JANE! HELP! STOP THIS CRAZY THING!!!

  10. Christoph

    Security problems

    How much will it cost to upgrade security for every single military and business and private site that relies on a fence for security?

    In fact how can they be upgraded? Anywhere with extensive grounds will have people dropping in for a look. Anywhere with a back garden will have burglars dropping in.

  11. ukgnome
    Mushroom

    Ok so like most posters so far, i see a few flaws.

    1. cost - on the elite will be able to commute, so just how much congestion will this solve?

    2. risk - if all the well to do chaps and chapesses are suffering from sudden loss of altitude then more cost to fill their shoes (actually might not be so bad)

    3. MOT - how long before a garage/hanger on the cheap offers an air worthy certificate on a crate of a flymobile?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      @ ukgnome

      I have no idea what any of your statements are supposed to mean.

  12. HeyMickey

    Not for the city anyway

    Flying cars will never see use in the city. As others have pointed out, public transport/cycling is the answer for that particular problem. City centres are no place for aircraft, and only multi-engine types are allowed to fly over London anyway (safety reasons, SE helicopters allowed as an exception along the approved helicopter routes where you are always in auto-rotate range of somewhere landable). I presume other cities have similar rules, if they don't they should!

    Here's a suggestion - maybe flying cars will nicely fill the role of long point to point journeys >200miles once we are all driving battery electric cars for our daily commutes and don't want to stop to recharge along the way? In other words, 2 cars: one electric for short journeys and city use, and one flying IC engined car for long journeys...

  13. Stevie

    Bah!

    Helicopters and fixed wing flying cars? Madness! An accident waiting to happen.

    No, the safe flying car will be blimp-lifted, using post space-age kevlaresque envelope materials.

    At least until the Spinner is available at a reasonable price.

  14. b166er

    PAL-V for the win, recently certified for RPL/PPL and roadable. Auto-rotation, so engine fail not a (n insurmountable) problem, light, efficient, small and practical.

    (V)STOL runway required.

    Just as Google's car is now certified road legal in Nevada, I expect collision avoidance to be sorted the moment flying cars become anything more than rich people's playthings.

    It's not that difficult if you think about it, to create a virtual bubble around an aircraft with proximity sensors and to not allow the bubble to enter the airspace of any other bubble. Like Honda's lane guidance utility, only stricter.

    How many people were fatally injured in the early days of motoring? There will be a few casualties getting flying cars off the ground, if you'll pardon the pun, however it won't be enough to stop us reaching for the skies.

    The price will always be high when launching a new technology, but provided it's viable, the price always comes down as the demand increases. Same goes for the training. Whereas it might currently cost 5000 credits to gain RPL, were it to become popular, the price would fall substantially. There would also be more demand for small airfields (close to motorways I imagine) and business complexes would have runways and taxi strips to your buildings storage area.

    Vehicle parachutes should be mandatory though.

    1. Danny 14
      Stop

      "casualties getting flying cars off the ground"

      I think it is the coming back to the ground that will cause more casualties. Especially if the fly car becomes many flying car bits.

  15. tillm
    Megaphone

    Now Some COLD STEEL RATIONALITY

    1.) China and India will compete for the same oil production, with much more money than in the past. Where will all the oil for VTOL come from ??

    2.) Teleworking is clearly a huge untapped reservoir for both saving energy, time and nerves. It can be creatively mixed with one to four days at a central office to meet your coworkers in person.

    3.) Small buses (such as the Mercedes "Sprinter") which would be scheduled by a Central Service (yeah, like Central Planning) and running on Reserved Lanes, transporting four to eight passengers could easily reduce oil consumption by 80% and time consumption by 50%. Also, ensure Green Lights for these small buses whenever possible. Get a lift by smartphone.

    So, using brains is often better than using aerodynamics.

  16. aurizon

    I remember old pulp Science Fiction mags of the 40's and 50's with a blizzard of personal flying machines. It never happened, and it never will - unless we master gravity and planes can start and stop in the air like cars on a road. Forget helicopters, a dense mass of those would interfere with each others paths via the downwards prop wash. With no ability to deal with high density traffic, the same way we can with cars and roads. I recall seeing one of the star wars movies with a very high density of aerial traffic in "highways" in the air that criss-crossed in various directions and heights, and craft broke free and landed under automatic control.

    So we may be able to make cars that fly - hybrids, can we make boat-planes? we have boat-cars, but very few are sold. How about a car-boat-rocket-plane - made in Taiwan.

    1. Robert E A Harvey
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      How about a car-boat-rocket-plane

      Superthunderstingcar! is go!

      1. Dave 126 Silver badge

        Re: How about a car-boat-rocket-plane

        Liking the Not Only But Also reference. Deserves the nod over Monty Python's sheep-based French airliner!

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Megaphone

    We were promised Jet Packs!

    Short of a major revolution in powered flight, I can't see personal aircraft replacing wheels anytime soon.

    Something akin to anti-gravity would need to be invented, as the sheer danger, cost and noise levels of current methods of propulsion aren't very conducive to a mass transport system.

    Forget flight as mass transport to work and back - rail transport is where the future lies.

    Unfortunately, in blighty, we've inherited a victorian rail network and a series of governments since then have failed to keep it in pace with demand.

    Still, it seems inevitable that we can't carry on plonking more and more cars into a finite road network - so plan A. for our glorious leaders is to price us all off the roads.

    There is no plan B. - at least, not from the gibbonment.

    Plan B. is being concocted by the private rail network who seem to want to price everyone off trains to alleviate passenger congestion.

    We may all have to ride horses to work soon - 20 million britons commuting to work by horse.

    Can you imagine the stink? - the road networks would become clogged with horse shit in no time flat.

    Wonder how much it would cost for a horse MOT?

    Ok, more cider needed...

    We were promised Jet Packs DAMMIT!

  18. Dropper
    Stop

    Makes People Unhappy?

    "Congestion on the roads wastes time, increases emissions from engines, and makes people unhappy."

    I wonder how unhappy people will be when they find their teenagers played World of Warcraft all night instead of plugging in their cars..

    And while I would hate to disagree with a wise professor with the reasons why we won't take to the skies tomorrow, I have to say the chief obstacle has been overlooked. People in this country are too fucking stupid. Okay we're not Americans, but we are pretty close to that level of moronic optimism in mechanical tech.

    If you think Essex boys and girls pose a threat to your commuting life now, wait until their fluffy dice laden Ford Escorts hit the skies..

  19. pullenuk

    Im sure if these things are about things would move on in a way that all homes will be making it own electricity so if your car flies home when you get to work the power use doesn't cost anyway due to the fact it will get charged using free power at home. So doesn't matter how much power it uses, as long it can do the trips and recharge quick enough what's the problem?

    Don't forget one day they might find a way to be about to power a house on just moonlight

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Moonshine

      "Don't forget one day they might find a way to be about to power a house on just moonlight"

      Are you being serious, or ironic, or do you just have a poor grasp of physics?

      To quote Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott: "Ye cannae change the laws of physics". You can't get more energy out of a system than you put in; so a light powered by moonlight will only be as bright (probably not quite as bright) as moonlight. Yes, you could concentrate the energy by having a large collector for your moonlight powered light: moonlight is estimated to be about 1mw/sq m, so you'd need about 11,000 square metres (1.5 football fields) for a single low energy light bulb. That's extremely dim.

  20. gurugeorge
    Stop

    dont take advice from...

    A Professor who claims flying cars reduce emissions...

  21. XaviarOnassis
    Go

    I like congestion...

    ...as long as the poor car drivers play nicely, my bike zips cleanly down the bike lane.

    "What bike lane's that, Xav?" you're asking.

    The one with the dotted line down the middle.

    Every bike that filters past you while you're sitting in a queue of traffic is one fewer car on the road in front of you.

    Think about that, especially just before nipping into the other lane. Perhaps it'll cause you to ACTUALLY LOOK IN YOUR MIRROR BEFORE MOVING.

    Sorry, getting off-topic, all I really wanted to say was that there exist already several congestion-busting, fuel-efficient methods of transport and that perhaps if more people considered them.

    Also: http://hover-bike.com/

  22. Tyson Key
    Meh

    Hmm, weren't Moller and a bunch of other companies attempting to implement this for years, with minimal return on investments, and no products (other than vapourware)?

    That aside, I assume that it's extremely expensive (like all flying machines, in comparison to cars), but I'll admit that the HondaJet looks like a fairly promising option, in the interim - and it's already in production, along with being approved for flight in at least the USA.

  23. Tyson Key
    FAIL

    Annoyingly, the forum system won't let me edit my prior post, but <a href="http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/スカイカー">Wikipedia</a> also mentions the TerraFugia Transition, a "Flying Maruti", and the ParaJet as prior attempts...

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