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The penguins are on the march: they are leaving Mark Shuttleworth's Ubuntu and migrating towards other Linux distros, fresh data suggests. Distrowatch's annual web rankings claim Ubuntu's top spot has been snatched by Mint during the last 12 months. In the past month alone Ubuntu's been kicked to fourth place by Fedora and …

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Classic Menu

Get ClassicMenu Indicator and tint2. That fixed all my issues with the new UI. Or choose "Ubuntu classic" in the dropdown when you log in.

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MINT MINT MINT MINT MINT

See above. Go green.

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What a lot of fuss about so little

If you don't like Unity, install Gnome from the Software Centre, and then select Gnome (classic) when you log in. All fixed.

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I use Mint

I also donate to the Mint project. Because desktop Linux needs at least one good distribution* where the direction of travel is community-driven, rather than being arbitrarily dictated by the likes of Canonical & Mark Shuttleworth.

* Yes, I'm aware there are others. I'm sure they're great. But I like and use Mint, so that's the one I support.

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yes, but;

"it's not necessarily an actual measurement of solid market share by more accepted metrics such as downloads, installations or revenue"

i agree, but please - what is? anyone who claims they have any known number of users are liars (and that would be canonical with their alleged "20 million users").

there is no way of knowing "the solid market share" of any linux distro, and that is the whole and only truth at this point in time.

distrowatch, on the other hand, has been and still is a good, valid indicator. this was true while ubuntu topped the list, it's true now that ubuntu's gone. as a debian user it would be unnatural for me to like ubuntu or care about its fate, but i'm not particularly pleased either to watch its decline. it *could have been* a linux success. but canonical managed to mix a poisonous concoction of a half-baked product with poor community management. and that's all she wrote.

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So much nonsense is such a little space...

The idea that the DistroWatch Page Hit Ranking actually indicates which Linux distro is used by the greatest number of users is ludicrous. When I was running PCLOS from .p93 through the 2007 release PCLOS was ranked #1 for almost an entire year, but it never came close to the number of actual Ubuntu users.

In fact, there is another DistroWatch metric which is more meaningful:

http://distrowatch.com/awstats/awstats.DistroWatch.com.osdetail.html

It reveals that 47% of visitors to DW are WINDOWS users, and only 45% use Linux !!!!! Anyone willing to bet that those 47% Windows users are actually using Mint?

Only 5% of the visitors are Apple users. This assumes, of course, that browser agents aren't disguising the identity of the underlying OS for most visitors, which is probably the case.

A minor group of KDE3 users made a lot of noise when KDE4 replaced it, but KDE4 has proven to be a very beautiful, powerful and popular DE. I suspect that the same thing is happening with Gnome vs Unity, as a small group of dissidents invade forums and give an impression of being more numerous than they are.

After all, Unity was written to appeal to Windows users, not Linux users. And, it was written to eliminate the problem of maintaining a separate DE for a desktop, a laptop, a netbook, a tablet and a smartphone. Unity is a single DE designed to run on ALL of those devices and present a single interface regardless of which device is used. Those new arrivals to Ubuntu/Unity have never run Gnome and most probably have never seen it. Judging by the ratio of Windows users to Linux users at a Linux website, I'd say Canonical's game plan is working.

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GreyGeek77 said:

'After all, Unity was written to appeal to Windows users, not Linux users. And, it was written to eliminate the problem of maintaining a separate DE for a desktop, a laptop, a netbook, a tablet and a smartphone. Unity is a single DE designed to run on ALL of those devices and present a single interface regardless of which device is used. Those new arrivals to Ubuntu/Unity have never run Gnome and most probably have never seen it. Judging by the ratio of Windows users to Linux users at a Linux website, I'd say Canonical's game plan is working'

I think you are correct in this. However, the *way* in which the changes have been handled has caused upset, offence, and even enemies that did not exist before. How people (users) *feel* about a product is the stuff of a good marketing specialist, and not all to do with the product content or quality. For example, if you know you are going to do something which is going to hurt someone else, but still has to happen anyway, it is human to recognise this and at least be apologetic. This is a piece of the jigsaw I have not yet seen.

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Build your own in 10 min !

I've found it preferable to build my own linux 'distro' using a debian minimal install iso. Its pretty straightforward and infinitely customizable using both the Debian and Ubuntu reps, either in deb packages or with source files for own build of apps.

Check out my blog on building your own distro in 10 mins here:-

http://terminator3000debian.blogspot.com/

I prefer to keep it basic with just Fluxbox, a terminal and a few other bits and bobs to start, but you can substitute those for pretty much anything including Gnome, KDE, LXDE, and much much more from the vast Debian/Ubuntu resources.

The Debian minimal I've found also to be faster and more responsive than others, and I've tried quite a few.

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tablets are the spawn of satan which has destroyed the desktop interface

I really can't wait for the death of this stupid tablet fad. It should happen soon enough when all the non-Apple tablet manufacturers take a look at their P&Ls, and then realise that the iPad was only selling due to the Reality Distortion Field.

This revolt will be nothing compared to the one which will occur when Microsoft releases Windows 8. I suspect we may get an exodus of Windows users to Linux. As a current Windows user, I may be one of them...

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Win8 will have 2 GUIs - "Metro" - their sandboxed, locked down smartphoney iPaddy GUI, & the other one, which is AFAIK just Windows 7 + bugfixes + updates. They'd be crazy to try to do both in one GUI, wouldn't they? If they did they might alienate nearly all their desktop users...<cough>Unity</cough>

As it is though, there are a lot of IT-challenged Windows users out there, who might boot into Metro & go into one, like the day when a link to Facebook didn't appear at the top of a Google search for "Facebook" (I think it was ReadWriteWeb where they had their collective fit)

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I like Gnome 3

I wasn't sure at first & I can see why people won't like it, but surely its early days yet, give it time. I'm using Debian Wheezy so its only just arrived, but it hasn't got any weird issues like some are having AFAIK. If you want the desktop back, you can set the "let File manager control desktop" option in the tweak tool. I thought I couldn't do without the old desktop, but after a day or 2 I switched the option off.

I suppose the best thing to do if you have strong views would be to get involved & try to influence development. You're not paying for it, after all...

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Drivers, drivers, drivers

Whoever can get their *nix to install seamlessly on an Android or iOS tbalet, and work without fighting with it, will win this war.

The issue of "Unity vs Gnome 2" is trivial compared to this.

The main R&D investments to make are:

- hardware drivers that work on the more popular devices, and

- an easy and automated installation process that doesn't require much knowledge.

Without this investment, widespread use of open-source linux on touchscreen devices is a pipe dream.

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