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As the market for computerised devices grows ever bigger and the internet takes over its users' social lives, it's a good time to be a gadget fan. They're everywhere, from smartphones and fondleslabs to pocket games consoles. There are notebooks of every size and shape from netbooks to desktop replacements. What were once mere …

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  1. Wile E. Veteran
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    Android

    Actually, Jota Text Editor for Android is a pretty decent text editor with feature approaching that of MS Wordpad. Too bad it is currently only available on keyboard-less smartphones and fondleslabs with their beyond-horrible touchscreen keyboards which rather defeats the purpose of having a decent text editor available.

    For the "cloud-oriented" there is always Google Docs. A dedicated UI is available from the Android Market at no charge which makes GD more usable than trying to use them through the browser. If you look around a bit, there is even an application which allows LaTeX using Docs as the editor. Again, the keyboard issues apply.

    I would love to have something like the article author pines for, as long as it has decently SHAPED keytops like the TRS100 instead of the chiclet crap on almost every new notebook/netbook/bluetooth keyboard. Just because Apple uses something does not make it a good idea but everyone seems to play "follow the fruit" instead of considering what actually makes their kit easy to use rather than just fashionable. I would really love an editor with built-in LaTeX commands available with a keystroke or two like the Texmaker application for Unix, Windows and OSX.

    Of course, I am weird.

    Mine is the one with the old Acer Aspire 4315 running Xubuntu Natty hanging with it.

  2. Nick L
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    Handheld PCs...

    You're looking for something useful as a decent business tool primarily, rather than a shiny gadget. Unfortunately, the last pieces of kit that focused on the particular sort of work loads you're wanting rather than looking pretty are about a decade old in my view. What did for these things was the insistence that colour screens were a necessity: they're not.

    I've got, and still use, a Psion 3mx, 5mx and HP 200LX. Yes, I actually still take notes on these things because they work, they run on 2 AA batteries, and they are usable and will exchange data with my PC. I am still slightly amazed that the 200lx does what it does so well, and that they keyboard - which should be useless - is to my fingers better than the 5mx! The Psion 5mx is just brilliant: the OS allows embedding of word processor documents in calendar entries, meaning it's simple to take meeting notes and know what meeting they relate to. The keyboard isn't great, but it's not half bad.

    I actually took notes last week on my 200lx in a meeting in Sweden. People were amused, bemused and slightly pitying as they stabbed ineffectually at their fondleslabs, but it just works.

    The other device I use is a Sigmarion 3, which is great but suffers from battery life issues. And a Japanese OS. And it has just died. But other than that it's not bad. Speaking of Japanese OS, I also tried the Zaurus range - twice - but ended up going away from them as the damn things kept crashing. (But we know linux never crashes...)

    The Viliv n5 will be on my christmas list. The battery life somewhat worries me, but it's worth a try.

    Yes, I know I need to get out more, but I collect these things... From the Psion 1 and Agenda Microwriter (kudos to first post!) to the Libretto u100 so far. Tried an OQO, sold it.

    Keep the handheld faith!

  3. zxcvbnm

    ipad and external keyboard case

    Looking around seating areas an ipad and a prop up case with a built in keyboard seems to work for most people. Not as good as the ideal but good enough to scare off the competition.

  4. Dave 126 Silver badge

    What was that device...

    .. that was about at the turn of the century? It was held in one hand and five keys. The user would use 'chords' to input letters, akin to tools used by people who write real-time subtitles for the news. By all accounts it didn't take too long to learn, and allowed notes to be taken discreetly (albeit at the risk of being accused of played pocket billiards).

    1. Nick L

      suggest reading the first post?

      You mean a microwriter? The very thing mentioned in the very first post...

      Still available for purchase as a PC addon from the original designer... http://www.cykey.co.uk (no affiliation, I just happen to own an Agenda Microwriter PDA).

      My chemistry teacher was using one in 1991 still... He loved the thing.

    2. Anonymous Coward
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      That WAS the Agenda Microwriter.

      I am all for a z88 style device. Maybe a little smaller. Basic. Monochrome lcd even. E-ink may be useful though the refresh rate maybe a problem. Long battery life. Switchable wifi so I can get my imap email, or write an article with basic layout if need be. (LaTex - I would learn for this alone).

      I cannot get over that we seem to give the number of cores more credence than battery life these days. As long as I can get email, browsing would be nice but I am more concerned with text than graphics. Sync a contact list. Not have to be plugged into a charger for at least a week. Expect at least 5 years use out of a device. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh - for me, nivarna.

      Comeon copylefters.....a more up to date Z88/husky hunter form factor with wifi/ethernet/a.n.other/bluetooth (for GSM data email/netaccess) so we can actually have the ultimate IT swiss army knife. It doesn't yet exist, because if it did I (and a sizable proportion of the geek world) would own one.

  5. Fred Goldstein

    Just buy a freakin' keyboard

    Apple and others sell keyboards for iPads. Several vendors sell keyboards for Android tablets too. They use Bluetooth to connect. So just keep one with your fondleslab and you can type away.

    I just wish they made a smartphone with a decent phone-type keypad in a clamshell form factor. The old Samsung Alias 2 was a wonderful texting phone, but nothing today is like it. Touch-screen phones are hard to dial on, delicate, and love to pocket-dial.

    1. Random Yayhoo
      Stop

      Bluetooth sucks, total fail. USB keyboard then!

      Bluetooth keyboards for phones or tablets are a great concept, but they DON'T WORK. Failure to communicate, you know. Why? It's a stupid, aggravating situation but I don't know and don't care. USB works. Jeez, just deal with the friggin wire!

      So what do we need? An OS that can reside anywhere, phone, tablet, screen, keyboard. Or a group of the above for redundancy. A sturdy, snap-on hinge system that doesn't break the important bits as you hinge or unhinge or rotate. a strong keyboard, folding or not, that faces the screen while you're in transit. And finally the ability to use a touchscreen instead of a standard screen when you want to draw or write stuff longhand like equations. Finally, let it play movies or surf, etc., so long as you can turn off graphics and any other power-robbing activity with ease. So, who will build this?

    2. Godwhacker
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      Seconded

      Definitely the easiest and best solution. Plus, you can upgrade your device and keep the keyboard.

  6. David Given
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    I have an NC200. Lovely, lovely bit of kit. Fantastically clear mono screen, a full size, full travel and extremely comfortable keyboard, and 10 hours on battery. (Admittedly, it did run on 5 C cells.) The screen was 80x16 and pixel addressable so it was easily big enough for real work, it had a 720kB 3.5" floppy drive and used standard DOS format floppies, and the internal storage was enough to get reasonable documents on.

    The OS was pretty nasty, with a word processor that was limited to in-memory documents only, which on a 64kB address space Z80 wasn't much. But it did come with a kick-ass version of BBC Basic for the Z80, including integrated Z80 assembler...

  7. Anonymous Coward
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    "Netbooks have tiny cramped keyboards and screens"

    I'm sorry, but that really is absolute rubbish, or you have only had experience on some very odd netbooks. My Dell 1012 has a great, full sized keyboard and a magnificent 1280x720 screen. Since I got it, my full sized notebook gets very little use, while the Dell is in use most of the day, every day.

  8. gaz 7
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    Nokia N810 or N900?

    agreed that Psions are/were the zenith of this whole genre, indeed I still have 2 5MXs and wont part with them. The issue with them now is the screen and connectivity.

    As a modern alternative, look at the N810. 4.1" touch screen, Linux based & can run debian in a chroot. Wlan, bluetooth connectivity and a miniSD slot for storage. dirt cheap on ebay now.

    Or the N900 - also a true powerhouse,although with a smaller screen than the N810.

  9. Martin Usher
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    Sharp ?

    Sharp had a line of pocket computers in the early 1980s. These typically had two line displays, a small alphanumeric keypad and removable RAM packs. The primary programming language was BASIC but it was possible to package programs in such a way that they could be distributed as standalone apps using the memory cartridges. (Those cartridges also stored applications data so with a bit of ingenuity you could transfer this data to and from an early PC.)

    If you need a compact, versatile, input device then the obvious choice is a stylus. If you're on a smartphone then you should be able to input text using the same kind of gestures that were used with a Palm Pilot (assuming Apple haven't patented them, of course).

  10. Herby

    TRS80 Model 100

    As an owner of two (actually a Model 100, and a Model 102) of these, I can attest that they are quite nice boxes. Yes, the screen IS limited, but the text editor is quite functional. It even has niceties like 'cut' and 'paste'. I suppose that the limiting factor is that the internal model is limited to 300 bps, and I don't know of too many ISPs that will even talk to simple terminals (with VT52 cursor controls).

    On the other hand, one of these machines is doing nice work controlling my swimming pool motors and other device related (valves, etc.) quite nicely. I interfaced a bunch of relays to its printer port and it works quite well.

    Yes, it was the last project that Bill was personally involved in. Weather one see that as good or bad is up to you.

  11. Bango Skank

    Palm Pilot

    With the humble Palm I came pretty close to being able to toss my jotter away and have all my notes taken during meetings and on the train synch with my PC.

    The funny handwriting wasn't reall a big obstacle but having to have a docking station in order to transfer was -although the infrared file transfer was pretty good.

    I am still looking for something that can accept handwriting and drawings, and can replace the need for either dragging a laptop around or having a jotter

    1. Anonymous Coward
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      Re: Palm Pilot

      I still have a Palm Tungsten T5 which along with a PalmOne folding keyboard, works well in the mobile writer world. The keyboard is close to full size when unpacked, but just a little larger than the Palm itself when folded. For variety, it also works with an old HP iPaq, which also works well in this role.. The keyboard only communicates via infra red rather then bluetooth, but also includes a little stand, so that the Palm or iPaq stands upright, facing you. I used to use these quite a lot when traveling, with communication automatically handled via my mobile.

      Mind you, I also have a little clamshell device - no name - but it runs MS-DOS-5 in ROM, along with MS Works in ROM. It's got a brilliant keyboard, and even a "widescreen" display. The only drawback is getting data off it. Those huge flash cards are hard to read with anything else. Wonderful keyboard too.

  12. John Smith 19 Gold badge
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    So what made *these* machines so good?

    Well..

    A decent keyboard seems pretty important (I quite like the idea of supporting backlit keys for those dark environments).

    Running on standard batteries, rather than some exotic, non standard (and quickly outdated) battery pack (that cannot be replaced in a 3rd world store) is another. Battery life in *days* not hours (ideally *weeks*).

    *Adequate* apps, connectivity (especially to the PC) and display. I'd suggest these days *nearly* anything can be had with either a USB or a memory card interface. The software should be good enough that you don't *need* to dig under it to get it to work properly (but you *can* get into ti if you need to).

    Mic/speaker/cameras? Not *possible* with the tech of the TSRs, Z88s and NC100, but *necessary*? Voice notes and diary pix?

    The *tricky* one is form factor. Small enough for a pocket (breast? side?) so you don't have to *plan* to carry it, or something with more screen area (no one seems to have tried A4 with a split *longways* but that introduces a hinge, which *can* work well but often hasn't ).

    The TSR 100 went with basically an A4 page and accepted the limited display. The Z88 (IIRC) used a neat trick of using a small area which mapped each character of a "virtual page" into weather they were covered or not.

    But what about the cordless display/keyboard combo? Something like a 2 part Nokia communicator that pops apart?

    Now can you convince some VC money suppliers that there is a *market* for this?

  13. Paul 135

    Xperia Pro

    Just get an Xperia Pro - is nice and compact for a keyboard phone and does the job - what you are asking for is just too large.

  14. heyrick Silver badge

    WTF?

    As others have mentioned - how could you miss the Psion 3/5?

    I've never had a chance to use a Psion 5, but my 3a (2Mb!) is sitting right here beside me looking forlorn. The sole reason - modern computers don't have serial ports and I've not had the time/cash to buy a USB adaptor (I did get one for a couple of quid on eBay but it never worked, not that I was even slightly surprised by this).

    With a nice built-in wordprocessor (and with HP-printer-to-PDF conversion, can make *entire* *FORMATTED* PDFs with dozens of pages in under 100K - nothing on Windows is capable of such a feat. With a database, I can note down all sorts of useless things and organise them. From an address book to a list of 6502 opcodes, the Psion has it covered. Spreadsheet... I use to keep a running total of stuff I want to order. I don't really have much need for a spreadsheet. OPL - built in programming language, so I had an "app" that could generate software registration codes on the fly, a custom bank account manager, and some other more trivial stuff.

    The keyboard was small, but you could get used to it, and the little 'tick' sound was good feedback to register a keypress. I've sat in waiting rooms and written entire blog articles and, one time, a complete user guide for a software product with styles, fonts, effects, etc while waiting for a train.

    I love the stuff my Android phone can do, but the very extremely obvious omission in its capabilities is everything the Psion exceled at. There's no "office" suite in default Android. For God's sake, there isn't even a text editor out of the box (though TextEdit is nice, and does what it says on the tin). One could argue that the stock calendar is horrid. Never a complaint I've levelled at my Psion.

    You might get the idea that I miss using it. I do. But maybe these days we're supposed to be stupid consumers, and all that a smartphone really needs to be capable of is the 160-odd characters of a tweet...

  15. Anonymous Coward
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    The Psion 3 and 5 were all very well but did not allow touch typing for most people. The 7 on the other hand ... a lovely machine, a shame it was before the days of Bluetooth, and thus difficult to interface with anything else. The Dana and its successor the Neo look like the sort of thing needed but I have in their case an issue with the screen size - not much larger than that on an electronic typewriter like the Canon Typestar. When I'm writing I like to be able to look at what I've already written in a glance. But with a larger screen which could be angled to the user's need it looks like a winner.

    I currently have an Asus eee 901 as a dedicated WP machine - strange as its intended function seems to be as a net-enabled terminal. However I also carry an Apple keyboard to use with it as the keys are just that little bit too small and close together.

  16. Dick Pountain
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    Don't dismiss Android

    I recently discovered a good implementation of Graffiti handwriting for Android - I used Palm's for over a decade and got very slick at it.

    I'm now using it on a San Francisco phone *without a stylus* - it works just fine using a fingertip and has excellent predictive input.The Note Everything app lets me take small notes faster than the onscreen keyboard, and I just switch input method to the TouchPal keyboard later to clean them up. I reckon that on a 7" Android tablet this would make an excellent note taker.

  17. hasbeen
    Pint

    Epson HX-20

    The HX-20 had a decent editor in the form of FFoswriter - it could even save up to 50K of text using the optional built-in microcassette drive. The keyboard was also excellent, with proper double-shot moulded keys, and a twin spring mechanism. Finally, the battery would easily last for over 50 hours of use (much less with heavy use of the printer, RS232 port or external disk drive).

  18. Dave 126 Silver badge
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    Thank you to m0rt and Nick L

    ... though Nick: I did read the first post, what you meant to suggest was 'follow the link on the first post", since it contained no description.

    Not long ago, El Reg had a story about some boffins who created a form of key-logging software that could steal passwords from a touchscreen device by interrogating its accelerometers... if they can determine the location of your finger in any one of roughly 36 places to an accuracy of, 80%, then it seems that they could implement a version of the Microwriter quite easily since it only has 6 positions. Or they could just use the screen's digitiser.

    Similarly, haven't we seen wrist-mounted sensors that detect (nerve impulses? ) and in effect give you a virtual glove? Then any device can function as a microwiter- though colleagues in meeting might think you fidgety.

  19. Jean Le PHARMACIEN

    Reprise Psion netBook [or 5mmx..]

    My vote - Psion netBook w 64M memory - superb - still have mine; 5MMX for ultraportable

    Still the best (shame new pdf files are unreadable and that the Opera browser coughs abd dies on BBC sites)

    Really we need the Psion updated e.g. with Android and updated internals. I have been testing the Toshiba AC100 but it's not as finished as the Psion (and it's discontinued now). If it could have the Psion app set (and would stay on standby when requested) AND the My Location fixed to allow external GPS connection - it would fit the bill

  20. andy gibson
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    Great Article

    Ever since my first Amstrad and Z88 I've collected similar beasties. The NEC PC8201 and Olivetti are also pretty similar to the Tandy. I've also got the lesser spotted WP2.

    There's contention whether the Epson HX10 and HX20 should be included because of the little printer and tape drive.

  21. Bryan B
    FAIL

    A one-piece machine for bashing out words on the move is a great idea. Sadly though, as the makers of the TRS-80, Z88, NC100, etc. discovered, once you've sold (or quite likely, given) one to every journalist that could use it, there's no-one left to sell the other million units you made to, because hardly anyone else wants this kind of thing.

    So yes, it's probably back to a tablet/smartphone plus a Bluetooth keyboard...

  22. a_mu

    PSION

    an american article ?

    no psion, amazing.

    1. Anonymous Coward
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      Re: PSION

      Liam Proven is English.

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