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Bristol police have pooh-poohed a Labour MP's call for all men living in Bristol to provide DNA samples in the hunt for the killer of Jo Yeates. Kerry McCarthy, Labour MP for Bristol East and Shadow Junior Minister for the Treasury, was reported in yesterday’s Sunday Express as calling for Bristolians to provide their DNA to …

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  1. Someone Else Silver badge
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    No, and no!

    "It is a massive task to do a DNA swab for the whole of the city but I think if it helps catch the killer it is the right thing to do and people will be happy to do this."

    No, it isn't, and no, they wouldn't.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Yes it bloody well IS an invasion of privacy, and a spendy and gratuitous one.

    Yes, why not just squander the privacy of every male in the city on the assumption one of them must be the killer. That's all adults, of course. And what about all teenagers? Hm? Where did she intend to stop? I think she had to lie down a bit after thinking all that, so she didn't get to the thinking it through part. But no matter, she's labour, so no need for all that. Equality for all means no privacy for all, it's as simple as that and that's all there is to it.

    Of course, /she/ won't have to submit for her DNA to be taken and stored in some database and then kept until probably forever, unless the backups get lost on a bus or something. Happy to be a woman and vindicative about it, eh?

  3. Andy Barker
    FAIL

    Stupid idea!

    So, they assume the guy lives in the area.

    Then they assume he hasn't moved away already.

    Then they assume he won't move away as soon as the public request for DNA is made.

    And they assume he would gladly give his DNA when asked nicely.

    Sounds like an MP looking for a little press coverage.

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    2. MnM
      Flame

      duly flamed

      if there *were* already...

      you and your fancy ideas are nicked

    3. My Alter Ego
      Alert

      Why?

      How can you humiliate somebody with no humility?

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      AFAIK

      ...without something to compare it to - in which case it can be used to determine a suspect match or close familial relations - I think the only thing a single DNA match could tell you is the sex of the suspect and *maybe* certain severe (and rare) genetic disorders. I don't believe any physical characteristics, even race, can be determined in this manner.

    5. John Murgatroyd

      I'm rather more worried

      about the new-labour fetish of selecting women who are mentally retarded.

    6. Petrea Mitchell
      Boffin

      Not as simple as you think

      Y chromosomes can come from people classified as women, if they've undergone an official gender change, or have one of the various genetic diseases that can cause XYs to present as female (look up Swyer syndrome, for instance).

    7. Intractable Potsherd

      Vindictive women ...

      ... find the Labour Party very attractive, it seems. They seem to think red rosettes suit them.

    8. Anonymous John

      And if they have one

      It either matches Chris Jefferies or it doesn't. Yet he hasn't been detained again or formally cleared.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    Surely they would just....

    get a massive sample of people which wouldn't actually help as only 'innocent'/'willing' people would come forward to help.

    Unless I'm missing something?

    Paris - She is confused too.

  5. Anonymous Coward
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    Felix Would Certainly Approve This

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Dzerzhinsky

    Flame burning Fiches.

  6. Syntax Error
    FAIL

    What coppers think

    Who cares what the police think. They are there to serve not tell everyone else whether it is a good idea or not. Their opinion is irrelevant. We do not live in a police state.

    As for the MP he is just another one of those dumb idiots who wants everyone and everything that moves or breathes on a coppers database.

    He can get stuffed.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Grenade

    As people said ...

    given the form plod have, without explicit guarantees, I would suspect they would simply add any volunteered samples to the NDNAD. Also, given UK plods quietly growing habit of using familial DNA matches (for christs sake, just hope no one in your family[1] commits a serious crime - you'll be harrassed from here to doomsday).

    [1]family you know of, that is. It could always be an illegitamate sibling your Dad never knew of.

    1. Loyal Commenter Silver badge
      Headmaster

      Syntax error?

      Operand Type Mismatch more like. 'He' is a she.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Surely they would just

      You might think you are innocent but if you happened to be walking past the victim and sneezed rather violently, let's say due to a bad cold, then went home alone to rest would be able to prove you didn't kill her. After all they now have your DNA on the victim so you must be guilty.

    3. Anton Ivanov
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      Felix - dunno, but Lavrentij Pavlovich - definitely

      Felix may have shot people by the thousands in the back of their heads in the basement on Lubjanka, but he never ever tried to keep tabs on the entire country and have a file on every living (and dead) person in USSR.

      You are mistaking him for the person who was the real driving force behind the pervasive control society we nowdays erroneously call "communism": Lavrentij Pavolovich Beria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beria). Compared to him Iron Felix is a boy-scout.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Familial matching

      This means the killer is not a sex offender or related to any other criminal. 5 million people can be ruled out or most of the 16-34 year old male population.

      Therefore it is elementary the killer is a female aged over 34.

    5. Jimbo 6
      FAIL

      @ We do not live in a police state

      According to all the evidence I've seen lately (& especial hanks to our beloved Reg hacks for their diligence in documenting much of it), WE DO. We may wish it weren't so, but that's the fact of the matter, so stop living in denial

  8. Evil Auditor Silver badge
    Stop

    McCarthy

    Omen est nomen?! The new McCarthy era... You couldn't make it up, could you?

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Let's get this into perspective

    It's ONE murder

    Maybe one too many bit nonetheless it's still only one that's been hyped up out of all proportion by the press.

    Media wise this has many similarities with the US Lacey Peterson and Aruba Natalee Holloway cases in that a good looking young middle class white girl went missing. This sort of reporting doesn't happen for other victim types.

    At least while the press are obsessed with this we are safe from terrorist threats.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Perspective?

      Thought that hype came mostly from the government even if the press was and is more than a little accommodating, but I digress into clearly unimportant tangents here.

      So we'll just sacrifice Bristol's male population's dna profiles on the altar of yet another plod-run database to keep the press from hyping up terrorism? Is that it? My, I never... a labour MP girl coming up with an actual cunning plan!

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I've got a little list...

    I don't think recall of MPs is part of the legal system yet... but when the law is passed perhaps we will see fewer MPs making arses of themselves.

    Kerry McCarthy, Labour MP for Bristol East seems to have offended half her constituents already.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    its been done before

    http://www.fpsociety.org.uk/news/JAD.html

    OK, fingerprints back then but this was still at bleeding edge of tech back then. Also note it was of people "Known" to have been in the area at the time not those there at the time of the test.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    MP For Bristol East, eh?

    Surely, as a resident of Bristol, she's aware that Clifton isn't even in her electoral ward, being in Bristol West. Perhaps she should just fuck off back to her side of the M32 and shut the fuck up?

  13. Matt Hawkins
    Megaphone

    Men

    Even out of Government Labour are still trying to build a national DNA database of everyone by the back door. Obviously we are all potential criminals.

    Except women.

    Clearly this MP knows who the murderer is because she only wants to DNA test men.

    Women never commit crime. Ever. They never murder people. Get in fights. Or molest children. So no need to consider anyone but men. Men, Men, Men.

    She either has an irrational hatred of men or isn't getting enough (votes)

    1. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

      Re: Men

      I refer you to the more rational comments in this thread, and suggest that if you went to the cops with this angle they'd do you for wasting their time.

      Sexism does not exist everywhere and in all things. Please.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: The Worm that Turned

        It may be statistically unlikely that a woman is the murderer, but it's also statistically very unlikely to be any given man in Bristol either.

        I thought we learnt about the perils of picking on and rounding up specific demographics over the last few centuries? Obviously not.

    2. John Murgatroyd

      Not an irrational hatred of men.

      maybe an unnatural love of women ?

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    As noted above

    Be a bit of a bugger if a woman had killed her wouldn't it? Unlikely, but these things do happen.

  15. Juillen 1
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    Police and politicians..

    Maybe the police have evidence that the killer was male. Does Ms McCarthy? Chances are she doesn't have a full brief in this, and isn't completely privy to the investigation.

    So, she makes the assumption it's male (chances are that it is, but hey, discounting women is sexist. You know, that thing that Labour keep chanting about being completely evil. Unless of course, it's used as a weapon against a man, in which case it's fine, because men are inherently evil).

    This hypocritical stance, with absolutely no idea of ethics, science, cost or anything remotely useful really just makes me wonder how on earth anyone like that gets elected.. Well, apart from the fact she's Labour, and in Bristol (I swear, you could get an amoeba voted in on the Labour ticket in some areas of Bristol, and I'd rather that than her).

  16. Rogerborg

    >how the fuck is it possible for someone that stupid to get elected in this country?

    She wasn't elected, she was selected by "Community Leaders" who deliver blocks of votes to whomever promises them the best housing deals for their cousins and wives (with lots of overlap) straight off the plane.

    Kerry has basically brought the democratic process of downtown Mogadishu to Bradford. Can't fault her for her cultural inclusivity.

    1. Russell Long
      Badgers

      Jo-Gravy.

      Bristol =/= Bradford.

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Catholic Church

    How about a compromise... I'll allow this Catholic Church person to take a sample of the sacred DNA God gave me, if they allow me to spill my seed 'unnecessarily' from time to time?

  18. Naughtyhorse
    WTF?

    on a related point....

    "A lot of people are worried about this person still being on the streets in Bristol and it is important they are caught as soon as possible.

    why what did THEY do?

    when i nod my head you hit it etc etc

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Paris Hilton

      Re: Catholic Church

      Oh, and cloak my bishop's staff in a latex frock whilst spilling it.

      Do we have a deal?

  19. MnM
    Terminator

    You've been fired, you are not allowed back in the boardroom

    "A persistent history of foot-dragging or outright refusal by police to destroy samples that non-suspects were told would be removed at the end of an investigation... means that the chances of everyone meekly turning up at their local station to "help police with their inquiries" is now much diminished."

    Was it 30,000 volunteers for the Id Card? Which is what, about 0.05% of the population? On that basis you'd probably be looking at around 100+ Bristolian chumps ready to step forward and do their duty. Well it's a start...

  20. despairing citizen
    Happy

    There is Hope!

    Nice to see at least one police officer suggesting the use of common sense, rather than imediately leaping at the chance offered by the MP to fingerpint, DNA test, tag and monitor everybody in sight.

    Kind of renews my previously flagging faith in our police forces.

  21. Tigra 07 Silver badge
    Paris Hilton

    Erm, anyone else notice this bit...

    "Testing the best part of a quarter of a million suspects would be a massive investment of time and resources, and a complete waste of both if the perpetrator either lived just outside the target area or happened to be female."

    Since when are women not capable of murder?

    The police really are crap these days

    1. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

      Re: Erm, anyone else notice this bit...

      *headdesk*

      *headdesk*

      *headdesk*

      *flatline*

      1. Tequila Joe

        *flatline*

        Paddles!

        Clear!

        Uh-oh.

        Run! Run, run, run away.

  22. James Micallef Silver badge
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    Related?

    "Kerry McCarthy, Labour MP for Bristol East "

    related to Senator McCarthy, by thought if not by blood.

    Presumably she has already submitted her own DNA?

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Boffin

    Do the police even have a profile to work against?

    From what has been published they dont have much evidence to work on so you have to wonder if they have any DNA for comparison anyway?

    I suspect given this particular MP's track record (and criminal record!) that it was a knee jerk soundbite statement with little thought for the consequences.

    That said, people of Bristol, you voted for her, you can get rid of her.

  24. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Unhappy

    shock news. Police *decline* offer to get people to cough up their DNA.

    Sadly I'm not sure people would not turn up for this. the gullibility of the UK public remains pretty near bottomless.

  25. T J
    Big Brother

    So, you too?

    So, you in the UK also are stuck with two major pinstripe parties populated with .... I can't think of a good P word, I'll just say, utter morontards?

    We here in Oz have this problem, we are slowly pumping the blue suits to the gutter but its taking a lonnnng time.... but then any evolutionary process does.

    Blighty - PLEASE get rid of these idiots, PLEASE. And ring us when its safe to visit Britain again.

    Best Regards

    Austraya

  26. Anonymous Coward
    Big Brother

    Here's an interesting thing:

    The murder was committed about half a mile away from my mother's house in Clifton and the body was dumped about half a mile up the road from where I used to live in Long Ashton.

    Clearly, given those facts, I should be DNA tested as a potential suspect even though I live around a hundred miles away from the scene of the crime!

    (AC for the obvious reasons!)

    1. moiety

      Prats?

      Prawns? Prannies? Penii? Peverse pompous pinheads? Pain-in-the-arse pisstakers?

      Help yourself.

    2. Vic

      Us, too.

      > I can't think of a good P word

      The noun you are looking for is obviously "pillocks".

      Vic.

  27. Dagg
    Big Brother

    This has been done before with DNA

    Leicestershire in the mid 80s, I was out of the country or else I would have been included. The DNA testing missed the guy as he got a friend to take the test instead. The caught him when the friend mouthed off. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Pitchfork.

    I'm interested with what they did with all the DNA specimens...

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