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WikiLeaks supremo Julian Assange was granted bail on appeal by a London court this afternoon. After six days in jail he will be released with conditions, including a £240,000 surety. The next hearing in Sweden's attempt to extradite him in relation to alleged sex crimes against two women was scheduled for 11 January. However …

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      1. Dagg Silver badge
        Big Brother

        Being Australian is no protection

        The Australian government is already sucking up to the yanks and they have already declared him to be a very naughty boy. It will be just the same as the other aussie that ended up in gitmo. The Australian government will do nothing and behind the scenes they will get a nice present for christmas from the yanks.

        1. Andus McCoatover

          The Australian government ...

          <<will do nothing and behind the scenes they will get a nice present for christmas from the yanks>>.

          ..which we'll see sometime in the future on Wikileaks...

          Don't the Yanks say, "What goes around, comes around"??

          The words "Chickens" + "Roost" sprang to mind as soon as I saw the video "Collateral Murder".

          Now, it seems we have Turkeys voting for Christmas. Anyone for a turkey-shoot? Or, is fish in a barrel more the Fed's style?

          This is better than Agather Christie's 'Mousetrap'. The 'Mousetrap' ended. This won't.

    1. Mephistro
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      There is another step, methinks

      If the Swedish government extradites Assange to the USA, they won't win another election in many decades, and be marked as traitors by a good % of their own population. Applying centre-right policies is one thing, playing a role part in this sad judicial charade is a different one. So the GOP in Sweden may get a financial payoff from USA, but they -the Alliance for Sweden- won't enjoy it for long.

      And further on, if the States imprisons Assange -or murders him- a new wave of anti-Americanism will probably make them pay dearly for the privilege.

    2. Swarthy
      WTF?

      eeehhhh....

      I'm not so Sure. The UK has a policy of not extraditing to face the death penalty. Sweden, in saying that they will send him to the US to face espionage charges, is basically telling the UK not to send him there.

      At least that's my take on it.

    3. Annihilator
      Thumb Up

      One thing missing

      It's worth noting that he was arrested voluntarily - i.e. he showed up at the police station and handed himself in. Otherwise a good summary...

      However I can't see that the US would actually need Sweden involved. If they indicated they wanted Assange on spy charges, the arrest sequence would work as above.

    4. david wilson

      @NoneSuch

      If the Swedes hadn't done /anything/ after Assange came to the UK, what difference would it actually have made?

      Unless Assange was just on the point of fleeing the UK after spending some time here presumably *not* worried enough about the USA to make him go elsewhere, why would charges need to be laid to keep him here?

      Why bother getting the Swedes to do anything?

      How long would it take to get a Grand Jury to approve the laying of charges, if an administration had any kind of rush on.

      Surely it couldn't take too long?

      At the moment, the USA has the luxury of being able to talk about what it wants to do, but I'm guessing that if Assange had been free and suspected to be about to leave, they'd have managed to do without that luxury if necessary.

      On the other hand, whatever the actual merit of the Swedish allegations may be, if the Swedes were genuinely just looking at processing the case like any other, then it'd be fairly understandable why they might not want to get at all involved in the whole extradition thing. There'd be little chance of glory, and potentially all kinds of legal hassle which they can turn into Somebody Else's Problem just by deferring their investigation.

      Who wouldn't take that option if they had the chance?

      If deferring the investigation is the smart move even if the investigation is a genuine one, it wouldn't make logical sense to use a deferral as evidence that it's part of a conspiracy

    5. Stephen 10

      One rather major error in your sequence

      Charges have not been laid in Sweden at any time. He's wanted for 'questioning', it's a fishing expedition, nothing more or less from a legal point of view. From a political one however...

    6. Scorchio!!
      Black Helicopters

      Re: The Sequence

      It must be a conspiraceee!!!! Oh, wait, do you have evidence for your claims?

  1. Wang N Staines
    Grenade

    LOL

    Now every nut will know where he'll be at 6pm everyday... This will not end well.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Black Helicopters

    Innocent until proven executed?

    "Stephens also claimed that Sweden will defer its molestation and rape investigation if the US brings such spying charges. ®"

    So if someone else kills him we'll let the rape allegation slide, wow. Nothing fishy here move along sheeple.

    1. Scorchio!!

      Re: Innocent until proven executed?

      Non sequitur argument.

  3. Dave White
    Stop

    Maybe not

    My understanding of the extradition process is that Sweden has to give notice to Britain if it is going to further extradite him to the USA. Britain would then be forced to decline, as a conviction of espionage carries the death penalty in the US. It may not all be as bleak as we think.

    1. Matt Bryant Silver badge
      FAIL

      RE: Maybe not

      Puh-lease, go read up on the Espionage Act before you post any more twaddle! There is no automatic death penalty, in fact I cannot find a reference to anyone ever being sentenced to anything other than jail under that Act. You have to be guilty under Section 2b of the Act to even look at the death penalty (and then there is a thirty year sentence option), and for that you would have to be in proven communication with an enemy, secretly giving details of US forces' movements with the express intent of causing them harm. Sorry for you conspiracy lovers, but Wikileaks releasing diplomatic cables saying the Suadis hate Hezbollah isn't going to land Assange in the chair.

      And even if it was, can you seriously see the Obumbler, a man obsessed with his standing in the World press, sending Assange to the chair? At worst, even if Assange is extradited, he'll get an opportunity for an ego-massaging trial, with his every pronouncement telegraphed to the World by an eager press, followed by a few years max to polish up his autobiography. Assange has already set up Manning as the real patsy, and the US administration will be much more interested in cutting a plea bargain with Assange in return for evidence on Manning so they can slam him as hard as possible, because they will want to discourage any other leakers.

      1. Hud Dunlap
        FAIL

        do some better research

        Ethel and Julius Rosenberg were executed under the act.

        http://www.atomicarchive.com/Bios/Rosenberg.shtml

      2. Michael H.F. Wilkinson Silver badge
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        Ethel and Julius Rosenberg

        Do these names ring a bell? Sentenced to death and executed on espionage charges.

    2. Stephen McLeod Blythe
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      The title is required, and must contain letters and/or digits.

      This is correct.

      Soering v the United Kingdom is the case that established this with the European Court of Human Rights. Sweden would be in breach of the Convention if they extradited him to the USA if there's the possibility he would face the death penalty also.

      There's a decision that *really* pissed off the Americans ;)

      1. g e

        'Possibility'

        Despite 'obtaining guarantees' (yeah right) from the septic government that he'd never face the death penalty, then as long as it's on their statute books for punishments I'd guess it would certainly fulfill a 'possibility' so he couldn't be extradited on those charges.

        Of course, he could get charged with (C) or something totally different and get extradited on that and meet with a black helicopter on a dark night...

    3. Scorchio!!

      Re: Maybe not

      However, if the US is wise and waits for our Jules to land on Swedish soil before applying for extradition, there is nothing the UK can do about it. Jules will know about this sort of thing if he's been reading the diplomatic cables in the possession of his organisation, thus putting him and it in a position that makes them a blend of thief, spy, terrorist and warlike state.

      Oh he'll pay alright. It's impossible for any state to simply sit there and allow this to happen. The whole thing will be taken down at some point, and probably with an extent of international co-operation that Jules will deprecate.

  4. Anonymous Coward
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    Well f**k me sideways and call me Susan!

    I really did not expect this. UK Judge shows some sense and doesn't bend over and hand a pot of KY to the politicians and yanks standing behind him.

    Merry Christmas Julian, and I hope a happy new year!

    1. John G Imrie

      Hello Susan

      :-)

      N/T

    2. Christoph

      @ Susan

      That's one judge that had better not be hoping for any cushy appointments for the rest of his career.

      1. Scorchio!!

        Re: @ Susan

        No judge should, nor should there be any such thing. The days of well paid sinecures ought to be over.

        HAND.

      2. david wilson

        @Christoph

        >>"That's one judge that had better not be hoping for any cushy appointments for the rest of his career."

        Why should it affect their career?

        Even if, as some people seem to think, the entire assault allegation thing is fake, the point is supposedly [at least at the moment] just too keep Assange in the country until the US manages to eventually sort out an extradition request.

        Whether he's in jail or not doesn't make any difference to that.

        Though I guess for the real conspiracy junkies, if anything happens to Assange while on bail, it'll have been obvious all along that granting the bail was part of some Evil Plan, and the judge was a Baddie rather than a Goodie.

  5. SteveCo

    Paying for his bail

    Do they take VISA?

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Black Helicopters

    Hmmm

    I'd still be careful crossing the road though... "They know where you live (and what time you'll be there)" !!

  7. Stratman
    FAIL

    title

    " His lawyer Mark Stephens said in an interview with David Frost over the weekend that a grand jury in Virginia has been secretly considering indicting Assange under the US Espionage Act."

    Not that secretly then.

  8. MinionZero
    Big Brother

    @"ASSANGE GRANTED... house arrest

    Its not really bail, its basically house arrest. Some potential murders have got far less bail conditions than he has been given.

    It is basically house arrest. e.g.

    "obey a curfew at an address in Suffolk"

    "wear an electronic tag"

    "report to a local police station every evening"

    "cash guarantees of £240000"

    Plus you can also bet his phone conversations will all be monitored.

    At least he is out of jail, but its no victory.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    Folk heroes

    I suppose there is William Tell, Robin Hood (no, to USA cousins that is not robbing hood - a different thing altogether), ... Hughie Green (ok, just kidding :-) )...

    And I further suppose that someone ought to whisper to USA authorities something like: Look, you can win a battle and by doing so lose a war? Or maybe: look by winning a war you may make a valedictory look like the far better option?

    And that sometimes winning means losing and to the other parties losing means winning (this is the bit the US seems to misunderstand the most).

    For such a large nation with wonderful resources, brilliant minds and leaders in technological advances, ... they really do seem to be experts at shooting themselves in the foot (as the expression goes).

    When will they ever learn? (Vietnam = No! Afghanistan = No! Iran = No! Iraq = No! ... Assange = No!)

    The matter is complexified when official documents lead to actions to castrate Assange and at the same time turn a blind eye to other illegal actions perped by establishment figures?

    It seems so sad, very very sad

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Black Helicopters

    Maybe this is going a bit too far...

    .. but why all this conspiracy theory stuff? His Lawyer's job is to get him out of prison (and out of these charges) any way possible; and unless there's been an official statement from the US government, how is any of this more than speculation?

    Also, while it's unclear what really happened in Sweden (none of us were there), how does any of this get linked to some massive conspiracy? I mean, if the scary boogeymen wanted to 'remove' him from the picture, I'm sure they would've already, in a quieter and less obvious way.

    Lets just wait and see. Maybe Emperor Assange is being trolled by the Swedes, but to jump from there to a worldwide conspiracy is a bit much.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      @AC

      "but why all this conspiracy theory stuff?"

      For the usual reasons.

      Some people like to feel they're in on a Great Secret, or that they're the only ones who can see the Truth, when in fact many other people see the *possibility* of a conspiracy without finding any deep emotional need to believe one is happening before there's decent evidence.

    2. g e

      dont forget

      killing him may martyrise him in many ways and of course reinforce the entire conspiracy thing as well as confirm that americaland goes around doing what it pleases

      whereas a drawn out charade of charges > no charges > charges again (you can bring old charges back you dropped in Sweden?) > no charges if you want him for spying soon makes the public bored and in the meantime you plot how to publicly discredit him so historically he becomes nothing more than a cartoon character instead of a martyred hero of free speech.

      Then kill him years down the line because you're a big, powerful spiteful country with grudges and because you can and everyone has forgotten about him.

  11. Spearchucker Jones

    And never so much as a peep...

    ...about Bradley Manning.

  12. Someone Else Silver badge
    Go

    Well, at least now...

    ..if the Us tries its "special rendition" on him, the ankle cuff will get triggered, and we'll all know about it before Eric Holder does.

  13. Chris Northcott
    WTF?

    It was £200k

    according to Heather Brooke, a journo in the courtroom at the time and the said person who was tweeting the extradition hearing.

    http://twitter.com/newsbrooke/status/14707133744418817

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Not so fast

    Sweden objects to bail - as they should. If Assange is allowed to be out on bail he's as good as gone with all his money. There's a reason he is fighting extradition to Sweden. If he's all about truth then he should go to Sweden and prove his innocence.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      FAIL

      Yeah?

      Good as far as it goes, however, Sweden has indicated that When the US finally manages to trawl up some charges, They will drop it like a stone and send him off to the US.

    2. Scorchio!!

      Re: Not so fast

      Correct. Someone earlier suggested that the British police would determine guilt or innocence, but this cannot be so because a) they are finders not triers of fact b) the alleged offence was committed in another country, under that country's laws, and c) the evidence and evidentiary process is exclusively in Sweden, not in Paddington Green/whatever plod house.

    3. david wilson

      @Not so fast

      >>"If Assange is allowed to be out on bail he's as good as gone with all his money."

      In which case, why didn't go earlier, while he was supposedly in discussions (or attempting to be) in discussions with the Swedish authorities, since that would indicate he knew they hadn't lost all interest.

      If he has some better place lined up free from any fear of extradition, what was he doing staying in the UK, if he's so suspicious and cautious?

      Was he waiting until the very last minute to leave just for the thrill?

      Though of course, that equally applies to people suggesting that the warrant/arrest is obviously just a way of keeping him here until the Americans can be bothered to ask for him.

      If he was happy to stay here even when he was trying to negotiate with the Swedes, presumably he'd have been no less happy, and maybe even happier, staying here if they'd said that they'd concluded there wasn't a realistic prospect of a trial.

      Then the Yanks could have sprung a surprise charge on him whenever they wanted.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    Electronic tag

    > Lawyers for the 39-year-old Australian said he would wear an electronic tag

    Many criminals get to wear the tag *as their punishment after conviction*. So why does he have to wear the tag again?

    1. Scorchio!!

      Re: Electronic tag

      "Many criminals get to wear the tag *as their punishment after conviction*. So why does he have to wear the tag again?"

      "Many"? "Again"? Has he slept in a Bubbery before?

    2. david wilson

      @AC

      >>"Many criminals get to wear the tag *as their punishment after conviction*"

      Which is entirely irrelevant to its use for people on bail.

      What is relevant is that many people on bail can get to wear tags, if they're considered a potential flight risk, or to enforce a court curfew, and that can apply to teenagers accused of street crime.

      If it has been argued in court that Assange is a potential flight risk, if there was no kind of monitoring and he did do a runner, some people would have serious egg on their faces, and fitting a tag can simply be a way of covering themselves.

  16. Graham Marsden
    WTF?

    You can have bail, but we want £240,000 *IN CASH*!

    WTF? That's really a great idea, let's just go down to the bank and draw out almost a quarter of a million pounds in cash, jump in a taxi and tootle down to the court with it in a suitcase!

    1. Scorchio!!
      FAIL

      Re: You can have bail, but we want £240,000 *IN CASH*!

      It's usual for bail to be put up in the form of cash, especially for controversial cases. What else did you expect? Charity? For everything else there's master card?

      1. Graham Marsden
        WTF?

        @Scorchio!!

        Let's just look at some of the names who have been offering to contribute to his bail: Ken Loach, Tariq Ali, John Pilger, Jemima Khan.

        This isn't "Yes, M'Lud, the defendant's Uncle Fred and his brother in law Honest Charlie are willing to write a cheque post-dated for next Tuesday"...

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    esh

    funny, that the same day berlusconi wins his confidence vote. and people wonder why 'democracy' is slated...

    1. Scorchio!!

      Re: esh

      http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/submit/2010/12/14/assange_bail_appeal/

      "funny, that the same day berlusconi wins his confidence vote. and people wonder why 'democracy' is slated..."

      Now there is an interesting point. What are the alternatives? Theocracy? Oh no I hear you say. OK then, Marxism (communism) which - being based on Plato's republic - has a system of guardians (the communist party which is the vanguard of the revolution) the soldiers (a touch menacing, what) and the people? Meritocracy? Plutocracy? Anarchy? Small communes, isolated from one another, acting like trading nations, but with no collective health, social security, defence and other core state mechanisms? Perhaps you have not thought things out, but Plato did. He ultimately concluded that democracy is the least of all evils, and at least affords the maximum number of people (an electorate from, say, age 18 upward, that is to say the age at which full citizenship duties including military and civil service can be assumed) the opportunity, once every five years, to hold their government to account.

      As adumbrated above, the alternative is to concentrate power and its regeneration in the hands of the few. Whilst /ideally/ many alternative systems seem better, that is merely (in the Platonic sense of the word) ideal. The practical reality, as we have seen in democracy, is that twisted, sanctimonious and corrupt individuals help themselves to money, make illicit wars and so on. *However*, in the hands of a non elected system (do note the transition from such a system to, say, dictatorship or similar, begins with the election of a 'president for life') there is almost NO way to hold these people to account, and thus eject them from office. Unless of course you elect your meritocracy, your dictator, your one party state (that's what the Soviets did, allowing people to vote in candidate selections before holding elections)...

      ...notice also that Assange is a self appointed guardian of international public morals, having no mandate of any people or elected representative at all; Assange has appointed himself a guardian, and it would seem that 'Anonymous' or at least a part of it are his self appointed 'soldiers'. That makes us the proles. He is doing this for our own good, the nature of which he, Julian Assange, has determined on our behalf. How /kind/ of him...

      ...the major problem that we've had with politics is that people (the electorate) have disengaged. Politics and government are now treated like MacDonalds, something on the menu you order, pay for, consume and forget, each recipe put together by the most skilled of chefs and presented/defended by spin doctors. You get what you pay for. The way you pay for politics is through engagement. Be involved, persuade others to be involved. Realise that what you have, although imperfect, is probably a variation of the least harmful form of government, in spite of its current tyranny of political correctness and loose purse strings. (Note here that the current government has inherited that, is trying to unpick invasive legislation, but will be held responsible for it, such is the lead time in politics.)

      The moment you unseat democracy without consciously and carefully articulating the alternatives, which consist in various ways of concentrating power in the hands of the few, or merely one, you lose control. Someone else stays permanently in the driving seat, and you don't have the right to choose them every five years. It's done for you.

      Think about it before you throw it away because, once lost, it is hard to regain. Ask the German and the Russian people. Ask the Iranian people [...]

      1. Mephistro

        @Scorchio!!

        A Demarchy could come handy here.

  18. FozzyBear
    Flame

    Oops

    Sorry hae to say that gaol is the safest place for him right now. To publicly annouce the bail conditions and the spscific timings where he must be is just a massive neon sign for all the nutters out there.

    Flames 'cus his reporting to the local cop chop is going to cause friggin' chaos

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    Folk Hero - part deux

    It looks to me as if the only way the US can get out of this mire is by actively pursuing all perps or potential perps in WikiLeaked documents with the same and equal vigour that US authorities are pursuing Assange.

    Discuss: if not, why not? And: If not, why not in the land of the free?

    1. Scorchio!!

      Re: Folk Hero - part deux

      It being that Assange et al. (and his denial of ownership falls at the first fence, because he is the front for released information) now occupy a position somewhere between thief, terrorist, spy and warlike state (most especially without prior declaration) this would seem to be the logical corollary, and it is one that the leakers and their fans must expect. If you in any way attack an individual or group, including a state, expect to be in receipt of at very least a kick in the crutch, and stop bloody *whining* about it when you are in receipt of said response to your illicit acts.

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