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Anonymous has launched a broad-ranging campaign in support of Wikileaks, starting with a DDoS assault on a PayPal website. The denial of service attack lasted for eight hours and resulted in numerous service disruptions, Panda Security reports. The group, spawned from anarchic message board 4chan, first came to prominence …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
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    Assange is no "Hero"

    For those who are advocating this kind of espionage continue, and that Assange is a "Hero", think of it this way: Let's post every email and conversation you have ever had to all of your friends and family.....let's post all you bank account numbers....let's post all the nasty remarks you've ever made about another person...maybe even about your boss...on the web and let everyone read them. How, how many friends do you think you would have? How many jobs would you get in the future? What would happen to your bank accounts? This is what is happening to the US and it's allies.

    Sure government accountability is essential, but now he is releasing sensitive information about interests that are vital to our country to anyone with access to the internet and to a web browser....those not only include us...but our ENEMIES!!

    Don't be stupid and think this helps our country...it doesn't. Don't be so political to say that it's OK because it hurts Obama (I didn't vote for him).....it hurts our intelligence gathering, how will we be able to gather intel to stop the next attack?...it hurts our military and helps our enemies locate us as well as our friends and eliminate them...it hurts our interests, yes our vital interests that we need here in the US...it hurts our country...we are all members of this country and should protect as we would our own homes...

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    1. Daniel Garcia 2
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      RE:senseless argumentation

      can you not see the subtle difference between state organizations and his members and your/mine friends and family?

      is call POWER.

      simpleton patriots like you always forget that those who seek power and hold power can have hidden(not as in conspiracy theories but more like untold clearly on public) agendas only share by small elite collective.

      US is right now a two-head oligarchy, not far from Russian and Chinese one head oligarchy, only your constitutional rights makes the real difference.

      that is the real danger for USA, every time for grandstanding or for fear-mongering, your constitutional right are reduce, USA is less the land of Freedom. Each year i can see more and more Americans willing to sacrifice those rights and less caring about to export those right to others nation people.

      the tidal locking of the voting system has make your voting right already a mockery of what should be; only public perception has a limited power to drive politicians toward the general interest. that is the last bastion of democratic power in USA and only through deep perception the public will know what is happening behind the propaganda smokescreen and force them (because you don't really decide who is in power, you only chose between the already chosen, their natural will is to favor the elite) to do good.

      you don't need wikileaks if you already are willing to give up your right for freedom and peace,

      many already has unconsciously done that already.

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    2. foo_bar_baz
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      We, who, what?

      "we are all members of this country and should protect as we would our own homes..."

      Check the URL of the site you're posting on. It's (gasp!) in Europe!

      Here's an excercise for you: in your own words, please explain who are your "ENEMIES" and why are they hostile to you?

      Part 2: What vital interests have been hurt by the leaked documents, and how have they been hurt?

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  2. kain preacher

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    Now he has pissed of the UK government . GO ahead piss of Israel. Go on do it.

    Head line news Wiki leaks founder dies of cancer. Naw thats more the US or Russia's style. Wiki leak founder walks into Saudi embassy and blows him self up. Never mind the pictures of the cruse missile circulating on the net with the Israeli flag on it.

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  3. heyrick Silver badge

    What's the big deal with attacking PayPal?

    The way I see it, PayPal dropping WikiLeaks might have done them a favour. Oh, it'll be harder to find ways to raise donations, but probably simpler than getting PayPal to see reason if it ever decides to freeze their account for review, examination, whatever...

    Let us not forget, PayPal is the closest thing to an international bank that willfully resists all attempts to be labelled "a bank", thus the codes of practice drawn up, for good reason, don't apply.

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  4. Winkypop Silver badge
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    I love the Internet

    I do.

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  5. James Woods

    hahaha

    fuck you paypal.

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    This is what democracy looks like.

    This is what democracy looks like.

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    @Bilgepipe

    That is somehow different from the people who die because the gov'ts operate behind screens?

    Do you think a life taken with gov't sanction is less valuable than one taken without?

    Perhaps you could find an einsatzgrupen to join...

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    1. MrCheese
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      "Perhaps you could find an einsatzgrupen to join..."

      I call Godwin's Law on you sir!

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  8. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    Postfinance.ch too

    Man, I'm trying to bank today.

    Assange lied on his application for a PF bank account. He broke their rules and they are right to can his account.

    What they should do is send the money to any other account he chooses or let him come and get it.

    Honestly, though, Wikileaks does not have anything but its own agenda - to make the world understand nothing can be truly kept secret anymore. Actually, we're better off not knowing some of the stupid crap that goes on - who cares what people think of each other?

    Or should we all let on that we think Julian's a bit of a egotistic nob?

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  9. John King 1

    Alternative to Godwin's Law?

    Is there an alternative to Godwin's Law for when internet discussions eventually mention Israel?

    From the above comment it sounds like they're a real peaceful open-minded bunch.

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  10. Frank Fisher
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    Good - paypal are knuckling under to the yank govt

    It's all well and good having a commitment to free speech in your constitution - but why bother if the first time it bites your arse you send the Black Hats in to attack the mouthy irritation? I was furious with paypal for joining in this witch-hunt, even though, I'm still a little suspicious of wikileaks. Far too many suggestions of a Soros link, etc.

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  11. brym

    Meanwhile,

    ...legitimate PayPal users suffer while Anon throws their dolly out the pram. Get a f*cking clue, morons! Do you have loved ones enlisted and overseas? This type of childish short-sightedness puts them in even greater danger, regardless of whether or not you believe they should be over there in the first place. Not to mention the countless HUMINT assets trying to protect you.

    It's embarrassments like these which almost make communism appealing.

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    1. Anonymous Coward
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      Seriously?

      Don't tell me the US Government is paying for mission critical kit with PayPal? Or do the Taliban become enraged and attack when they can't buy tat online without using a credit card?

      It's only NASA who shop on Ebay!

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    2. Anonymous Coward
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      Be careful what you ask for

      Fascism, communism: the same authoritarian crap, just with a different theme song (the workers vs. the nation). All your talk about freedoms and democracy sounds more and more like "the people's democratic republic" communist states, which so obviously were neither the people's nor democratic.

      Should we outside the US start worrying now that your economy is down the drain, are you going to have another convenient war to focus the mind somewhere else? What is it now, having waged the communist, drug, terrorist etc. wars? The war on Broccoli? I bet that wouldn't raise any more eyebrows among your "loved ones enlisted and overseas", protecting the theater you think of as "democracy".

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    3. MrCheese
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      @ brym

      What numpty-tree did you fall out of?? PayPal and Amazon dumping on an organisation attempting to keep the Gov't honest will do more for terrorism than Anon DDOS-ing PayPal, big fscking deal - so a bunch of folks buying tat from eBay won't be able to make a payment, so what else is new for PayPal eh?

      Have you got loved ones over there? Do have to sit here and see the very reasons they went out there evaporate in politico-talk BS!?! Both US and UK have admitted "errr, well actually it's all crap, there are no dubya-eem-dees". Now, get your stupid-self a bloody great big clue OK? People are dying becuase your government lied to you for a flimsy excuse to invade the middle east.

      While I'm not sure I agree with the methods of Wikilekas and/or Anon, if they're the only people crusading for freedom and accountability, the only ones keeping governement honest then they've got my support.

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      1. brym
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        @MrCheese

        Wind your neck in, CheesePuff. Firstly, I'm not American. Secondly, re-read my post. You've clearly missed the points I felt shouldn't have required fine detail to explain.

        PayPal is used daily by hundreds of legitimate users and businesses. While PayPal can no doubt afford to withstand a DDoS, it's still incredibly short-sighted of Anon to potentially affect the transactions of those legitimate users. How does that keep governments honest? Seems more like the playground fight-starer "My Dad's bigger than your Dad" response. Mature.

        Many of my friends are currently serving, both in the different arms of the forces, and in my former regiment. While I disagree entirely with the reasons for going, the fact remains that we are still over there, and our support for our servicemen and women, rather than the mission, is what needs to be absolute. Disclosing details like informant or undercover identities risks not only them and their families, but our uniformed personnel too.

        The tree you claim I fell from? Clearly wasn't the one you still occupy.

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  12. MinionZero
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    Its good for all of us that more people are starting to make a stand.

    I've seen increasing numbers of people liken what is happening to the start of an information war. The first virtual global information war against increasing authoritarian tyranny. But then for the past few years we have all had to watch endless and often shocking erosions of our privacy and freedom, (many of which regular readers have seen on TheReg) so I think many educated people all around the world (who try to keep up with current events) have now had enough of what they are seeing. What we are witnessing is more people making a stand and the battle ground is the Internet and the weapons are information of what is really going on behind our backs, as we are endlessly lied to by our arrogant authoritarian masters.

    Plus our ruling masters have tried to re-educate us all into believing we have no privacy and that any attempt to have privacy means we have something to hide. Yet in such a world its inevitable that people would then expect their representatives in government to also conform to the same expectations they seek to impose on us. They are after all our representatives in government.

    Also three million people had access to all these diplomatic documents, so every country in the world would have at least one spy in that three million people able to leak all of what we are now seeing to their governments. Everything we are seeing they already know!. Therefore all of the politicians self righteous indignation is yet more of their lies. Its an act for our benefit to try to fool us once again. They say government diplomatic relations cannot function like this in the open, yet all sides already know what the other side thinks of them. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T UNTIL NOW KNOWN WHAT IS HAPPENING ARE ALL OF US! ... we are the true targets of their secrecy and lies. They seek to lie to us, because that way they can get away with whatever they bloody well want to do.

    Democracy is supposed to represent the views of the people, not the increasing authoritarian tyranny views of our lying two faced masters who show they don't represent us, but instead seek to lie to us as they seek to impose their increasing authoritarian police state onto us.

    So yes, its very good that people are starting to make a stand!

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    1. Frank Fisher
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      The first virtual global information war ....

      Not quite. I think you can characterise the widespread undermining of the fake intel used to support war in Kosovo as, perhaps, the first skirmish. Then the same process against the fake intel used to propagandise for Iraq. Maybe the first battle? The first *succesful* battle in the infowars against "our" governments would have to be the campaign to force the media and govt to notice Climategate (and btw, it really baffles me that so many people accept we're being lied to about practically everything in the govt domain *except* this AGW fantasy).

      Whatever, as I've written many times, governments that pretend to democratic consent cannot function without control fo the narrative; a free internet makes that control impossible. Ergo, a war on the free internet. They have no choice. Either they relinquish power, or they sieze control fo the internet - there are no other choices.

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      1. Loyal Commenter Silver badge
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        Sorry, going to have to correct your massive nonsequitur there

        Apart from the fact that you pulled an anti-global warming argument out of the bag there, which is a bit of a nonsequitur in itslef, let me put you straight on the 'climategate' issue.

        Essentially, a number of scientists who do work on studying the climate were being harassed by political lobbyists, whose interests were to attempt to show that there is no anthropogenic global warming (AGW). These people didn't much care for whether they were telling teh truth or not, they just wished to get their hands on raw data that the scientists had been working on so that they could deliberately misrepresent it.

        'Climategate' revolves around the resistance of these scientists to having their time wasted and their work misrepresented by lobbyists. Arguably, as scientists, they should have been more open. However, the one thing 'Climategate' does not demonstrate is that the evidence for AGW is incorrect in any way.

        AGW is not fantasy, despite what lobbyists for coal, oil and gas companies would have you think. It's something we should be doing something about, and in pretty short order, before we REALLY screw the climate up.

        Unfortunately, it is looking like the politicians won't be actually doing anything about it, so it'll be down to the scientists to stand around on bits of high ground in 20 or 30 years time saying 'I told you so' before people realise that they were hoodwinked by lobbyists' agendas. Maybe then people will start to realise that science and politics are essentially the opposite of each other (science = pursuit of knowledge for the sake of humanity, politics = spreading of lies for the sake of greed).

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        1. Frank Fisher
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          balls

          Scientists? A scientist would be someone who applies the scientific method right - does anyone at CRU? Nope. No controls. No replication. The "experimental evidence" resides inside models that, gosh, we learn are packed to the gunwhales with "fudge factors". AGW is the biggest fattest lie in the world today. Perhaps that's an opinion, but what isn't opinion, but simple fact, is that it ain't "science". Not a science that can sit comfortably next to physics, chemistry or anything since Newton.

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      2. MinionZero
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        @Frank Fisher

        Skirmish, Battle, War … whatever ... what we call it is unimportant. The key factor is that increasing numbers of people have had enough and now some are starting to push back as this news shows.

        "many people accept we're being lied to"

        No, many people are annoyed they are lied to and sick of the increasing authoritarian tyranny but many until now have felt they can't do much about it. Ironically voicing frustration and anger online is exactly the right thing to do, as its building a massive wave of anger against our leaders, which will force them to finally listen to us all. But in our leaders continuing arrogance, they are currently denying any requirement to behave like our representatives and instead pretending to be the wounded party, plus all the time seeking yet more authoritarian moves against us, trying to stop us seeing what they have been doing behind our backs.

        So then added to this increasing public anger at the growing authoritarian tyranny we have Wikileaks finally confirming all our worst suspicions that are leaders don't really represent us, but instead lie endlessly to us. Yet they are elected to represent us. Its like the final straw, increasing numbers of people have had enough.

        So its definitely the start of something. The governments will obviously try to down play it and seek to silence it and seek to cut off Wikileaks and maybe it will all appear to go quiet for a while, but our public anger and worst suspicions have now been confirmed by Wikileaks. That is going to make more people seek ways to push back against the increasingly unfair authoritarian attitudes of the governments who should be representing us.

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  13. Anonymous Coward
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    Anonymous

    I disagree with Anonymous - some of the things they do are stupid, like some (but not all) of the anti-copyright DDoS attacks. The companies that attacked torrent sites with DDoS themselves deserved retaliation, and the people who paid them. Nobody else did though - ridiculous militant freetards.

    On the other hand, Paypal is thoroughly evil, the ebay/Paypal system makes money by obscuring and misrepresenting peoples ACTUAL rights as buyers and sellers, and many changes they've made serve only to protect underhand activity - for example messing with the bid history pages so you can't easily spot shill bidding. They deserve whatever they get, even if the reason isn't sound.

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    1. Stephen Gray
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      WTF?

      "On the other hand, Paypal is thoroughly evil, the ebay/Paypal system makes money by obscuring and misrepresenting peoples ACTUAL rights as buyers and sellers."

      Do you live in a place where using Paypal and ebay are compulsory? How is Paypal evil? Are you on medication?

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  14. bugalugs
    WTF?

    At last sight paypal et al

    were registered in Switzerland, land of the ( more more than less ) free. Paypal has always traded on its ability to transfer funds to any e-mail address. Can't do it ? Please close my account. Thankyou.

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  15. Anonymous Coward
    Jobs Horns

    Paypal = Not nice people in the first place.

    http://www.nightcats.com/samples/paypal.html

    In September 2006, PayPal settled a four-year class-action suit with the attorneys general of 28 states. The states were acting on a multitude of consumer complaints regarding PayPal's customer service policies. The complaints included accounts being frozen without notice, bank accounts being debited instead of charges going on credit cards as requested, and, as above, more complaints about the lack of refunds for items purchased online but not received.

    Consumers also complained that the Web site was difficult to navigate, and that obtaining information about financial transactions was cumbersome and required clicking through numerous levels of hyperlinks.

    http://paypalsucks.com/

    http://www.paypalwarning.com/

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