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Kiss frontman Gene Simmons is a strict dad and it seems he has applied his “now school” approach to illegal file-sharers on the web, for whom he reserves zero mercy. Simmons gave his stark views of P2P pirates at the MIPCOM shindig in Cannes. "Make sure your brand is protected. Make sure there are no incursions. Be litigious …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    Kiss...

    ...My Ass

  2. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    May I just say Gene

    Please don't breed any more.

  3. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    Off the rails ?

    I hope the nice rock star has never taken drugs.

    Obviously drug testing should be introduced by the RIAA and MPAA.

    These people are role models to our poor innocent children and any music from a band that ever took drugs should be banned from shops.

    1. Captain Thyratron

      In that case,

      say goodbye to most of your music.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      A few bits about Gene...

      Gene has never:

      Used drugs.

      Smoked.

      Consumed alcohol.

      I know this, because I worked as a special effects technician on a KISS tour, which included shows in England. Part of my job was to cook blood for him to spit on the front rows of the audience. (Not real blood, of course, just a reasonable facsimile. Strawberry flavored.) He was the most business-conscious of the band members, as opposed to Ace, who was mostly unconscious. Ace is the only person I've ever seen have his own case of champagne carried onto an airplane.

      I suspect his diatribe is in large part to gain publicity, in a effort to boost sales.

      No, I haven't downloaded any KISS music. It really needs the stage show to make it whole; without the lights and pyrotechnics, it's not the same.

      netgeek

    3. Ihre Papiere Bitte!!

      RE: drugs

      Much as I hate to defend him when he's being a twat, Simmons was never a drug-taker, nor was Paul Stanley. Ace Frehley & Pete Criss were both fired for doing drugs.

      Does't mean I agree with or like Simmons tho. Grew up on Kiss, and I still think Destroyer is an amazing album, but the last decent work they did was Revenge in 91, and that was the first good album in 15 years!

      I still have nightmares about their Disco Period - I was made for lovin' you baby... Yeeeeurch.

  4. bexley

    father of the year?

    Probably not, sounds like a real asshole.

    However, over on the largest and best music tracker, the most hits on one if his albums is 268. Even if they are all lost sales (which they are not) then thats hardly enough to account for his declining sales.

    The issue i have with this is that he blames downloading for declining sales.

    While this is clearly not the sole cause he latches onto it because, well, it's something to blame is it not?

    Then we have the AC "freetard" comments that always pop up on these threads, 2your all freeloading freetards etc...", who use the argument that it does not matter that we would never buy it in the first place but might download it for free, it's not ours to steal in the first place and that is whats wrong.

    The counter argument these AC's present never fits with the lost sales argument.

  5. Eduard Coli
    Troll

    Blaming the victem

    Perhaps Mr. Simmons might want to throw some vitriol towards the music monopoly.

    They were ones price fixing for years, sucking artist dry on any kind of album sales and lastly caught trying to extend their copyright while saying they were just trying to protect musicians.

    If the music monopoly had played ball and used the networks as another sales channel then things might be different. What they were afraid of was losing control. Milking albums by putting 1 hit track with more "experimental" material.

    Simmons should recall how popular Lars and Co. are now not that it matters, his career is not going much of anywhere, anyway.

  6. A J Stiles

    If I was Gene Simmons' plumber

    If I was Gene Simmons' plumber, I would knock on his door asking for money every time he turned on his central heating or flushed his toilet.

  7. blackworx

    Make sure your brand is protected

    Yep, cos that's what music is all about.

    Fuckwit.

  8. Kevin Fields

    I can't disagree with his parenting skills

    I know it's off-topic, but blame El Reg, they started it. I don't necessarily agree with his opinion on music piracy, but he is right that the music industry failed to capitalize on the catalogs that they had and because of their inactivity, they allowed the thieves to get the jump on them. You can't unring a bell, we'll never go back to the old days where you were paying $20+ just to get one decent song.

    Anyhow, back to the off-topic. I think Gene Simmons is a great father. He's not a friend to his children, he is their parent. He's taught them right from wrong, he's lead by example on how a person should act as a decent human being. He holds strong and controversial opinions, but he does so in a manner that not only shows respect for his beliefs, but also respect for those with whom he disagrees. Unlike many of his peers, and the children of his peers, the Simmons family is probably one of the more stable and wholesome families you could find anywhere.

    1. envmod

      real fan

      right there.

    2. blackworx

      Re: Industry

      "he is right that the music industry failed to capitalize on the catalogs"

      We all know that is the major part of the problem, but Simmons' only angle seems to be one of criticising the labels for not being swift enough or heavy-handed enough in prosecuting file sharers. IME it's only folk like him that come out with quotes like that and there's an obvious reason for it.

    3. Al fazed
      Happy

      Not around here matey

      Well he don't live around here.

      What planet does he live on ?

      I treat my children like human beings.

      I know they are capable of anything, but their ingenuity and perspective on life is always so refreshing.

      Since when did parents actually "KNOW" anything ?

      Adults spread so much bullshit and confusion amongst the youth, don't you know ?

      And only so they can milk the fat purses of the innocent and ognorant youth !

      Obviously not !

      Or maybe you were being ironic and I just need another coffee.

      ALF

  9. informavorette

    Interesting views for a "self-described social liberal" (you can guess my source)

    This is the guy who brought corpse paint to mainstream, even before black metal existed. It is a guy who had a lengthy affair with, of all people, Cher!

    Given the record of his brilliant ideas, why should anybody feel compelled to listen to his advice?

    ---

    A side note: strangely, I seem to be the only reg reader who isn't ashamed to admit to enjoy listening to the occasional Kiss song once in a while. Although I cannot remember if I actually valued them enough to pay for them :blush:

  10. Mectron

    Grade A morron

    Just make sur never ever buy any product with the kiss logo on it. but make sure it is widly avaiable every where for everyone for free. hit the this old fart where it'ss hurt. the wallet.

    This guy should be arrested for been a unfit parent and for his hate speecch.

    1. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

      Re: Grade A morron

      I had to let that one through once I had wiped the tears of laughter from my face. Enjoy.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Ironic

      That you spelled moron incorrectly.

      1. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

        Re: Ironic

        I KNOW RIGHT?

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Troll

    Sounds like someone's having a breakdown!

    "I am not their friend, I am their parent and they are going to do as I say. There is no running to their room and slamming the door. That's my room. That's my door. Even the poop they poop out is the food I bought them. The air they breathe is my air."

    Yes I agree, beat your kids. I don't know them, but they're probably spoiled shits, so every beating counts.

    On the other hand, I'll teach my kid to pirate like a pro so he doesn't get caught. I won't have to get so uptight about him using "my air" and "my door" if his entertainment is free.

    1. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

      Re: Sounds like someone's having a breakdown!

      Where does it say he beats them?

      He just sounds like your averagely strict American parent to me. He's probably overly aware of the whole ultra-liberal musician thing and has reacted against it, not wanting to be the crappy parent of wild kids. It's totally understandable.

      I mean, I'm no huge fan of his and don't care much either way about any of this, but an awful lot of you seem to be condemning him as a parent just because you find his views on file-sharing abhorrent. Which is... lame.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        hmmm

        need a bigger troll alert icon ;)

  12. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Megaphone

    "And so now we're left with hundreds of thousands of people without jobs."

    Wow. I didn't know that the western educational system creates hundreds of thousands of people whose sole possibility of gainful employment, whose very purpose of life even depends on whether there is a plant in China that spits out shiny round pieces of plastic.

    Let Social Darwinism cleanse this, I say!

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Pirate

    You have to admire his fortitude

    It takes some seriously large balls to stand up in public with hair like that.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Jobs Horns

    Kiss - last album when?

    Ummmmm

    a) Wait till you get to his age......

    And you will all probably be sounding just like him...

    and

    b) He owes his success to the fact that his music collection is made up of tapes that he ummm borrowed from me.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Grenade

    Funny how

    Funny how some musicians with talent and the drive to still be creative like Nine Inch Nails are releasing all their stuff freely on BT and still making plenty of money off it, isn't it?

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Kiss.

    They did one good song:

    "God gave Rock and Roll to You".

    But some other band wrote it anyway.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Grenade

      God gave Rock and Roll to You

      Note the operative word there: Gave not sold.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Kiss.

      > They did one good song:

      >

      > "God gave Rock and Roll to You".

      They *covered* one good song.

      > But some other band wrote it anyway.

      Argent.

  17. LinkOfHyrule
    FAIL

    What a total ****

    This geezer sounds like a total ****. Shouldn't be a friend to your own kids? What dose he hate them or something?

    As for the file sharing thing. Shut the **** up.

    Kiss are a shit band, I can say I honestly don't know any of their songs but they are definitely still shit!

    I've never even heard of them, what are they some sort Welsh mens' choir or something?

  18. Nigel Brown
    Pint

    Listen very carefully to the world's smallest violin

    Gene, Gene, Gene.

    Give Lars Ulrich a call, you can both go and cry into your beers.

  19. Vladimir Plouzhnikov

    Kiss?

    That stupid pops with a lot of shouting to make it sound like hard rock? Who would want to waste bandwidth on that crap?

  20. Goat Jam
    FAIL

    Feck Off

    The Statute Of Anne was put in place for the express purpose of allowing content creators the ability to monetize their creations for a predetermined period which was, if I recall, 14 years with an option for a second 14 years.

    In return, once the period of protection expired, the content became part of the public domain.

    38 Years is more than enough for an artist to milk their creation in order to make a living.

    When the media industry (led by Disney Corp) succeeded in destroying the Statute Of Anne in their ongoing efforts to extend their period of copyright protection into infinity they essentially announced that they were no longer interested in abiding by the social contract that the SoA represented.

    Hence, I am no longer interested in abiding by my side of that social contract.

    Having to purchase works that were originally produced over forty years ago is simply ridiculous and is nothing more than brazen profiteering on the part of the media industry with scant regard for their obligations towards the society and people who provide their income.

    While the media industry remains as the greedy, immoral, profits at all costs conglomeration of corporate monsters that it currently is I have no problem with anyone who declares that "Thar be torrents ahoy matey!" thereby completely ignoring the whines of an industry whose corruption and disdain for their own customers is legendary.

    If an artist such as Mr Simmons here is not able to provide themselves with an income with their works that are less than 38 years old then I would suggest that they go get a real job flipping burgers or selling cars.

    You know, like everyone else does *

    * Except for "Pension for life" ex politicians but that is another rant entirely.

  21. Arnie

    I'm gonna rockand roll all night...........

    And sue you all one day.

    set your client to leech & delete. lost sales? you can KISS my ass

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Up

      That is really catchy!

      Kiss my Ass:

      Rock And Roll All Nite - Sue You Every Say

      Songwriter: Tool O'Lucifer

      We played you everything we have got

      40 years ago and we were super hot

      The sales drove us wild, the cash just made us crazy

      Been 30 years since the DJ gave our album a spin

      Were are so lame the studio we haven't been in,

      The downloaders drive us wild, they ignore us because we're crazy

      You keep on shoutin', you keep on shoutin'

      I want to rock and roll all night, and sue you every day,

      I want to rock and roll all night, and sue you every day,

      I want to rock and roll all night, and sue you every day,

      I want to rock and roll all night, and sue you every day,

      You keep on saying you'll were once in style

      But you haven't made an album in quite a while

      The downloaders drive us wild, they ignore us because we're crazy

      We haven't toured in quite a lot

      Albums gathering dust are not hot

      The downloaders drive us wild, they ignore us because we're crazy

      You keep on shoutin', you keep on shoutin'

      I want to rock and roll all night, and sue you every day,

      I want to rock and roll all night, and sue you every day,

      I want to rock and roll all night, and sue you every day,

      I want to rock and roll all night, and sue you every day,

      You keep on shoutin', you keep on shoutin'

      I want to rock and roll all night, and sue you every day,

      I want to rock and roll all night, and sue you every day,

      I want to rock and roll all night, and sue you every day,

      I want to rock and roll all night, and sue you every day,

  22. Al fazed
    Grenade

    YAWN of the Dead

    Look .........

    As soon as the existing music "INDUSTRY" is no more, then maybe "proper" musicians can make some fucking money and maybe even a living.

    As long as these fat celebrity (rockers ?) parasites are flogging their shick and dated institutional musical crap and "their" institutional musical crap alone, it will always be the same, the incessant out pouring of slurry from Simon Bowel, et al.

    YAWN of the dead ?

    So what if thousands of morons won't be able to buy anymore KISS albums ?

    We probaly just saved the fuckin' planet !

    ALF

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sex tape

    I downloaded the Gene Simmons sextape off P2P. Do I owe him some sort of royalty?

    1. Tilman Ahr
      Black Helicopters

      huarrrrp!!elf1

      Why, for the love of whatever higher being there might or might not be, would you *DO* such a thing? The thought that such a thing might actually lurk out there on them interwebs is going to make me think thrice about ever downloading anything large enough to be video ever again. Thank you very much.

      Hmm... Thinking about it: What's that thumping soun;%*CARRIER LOST

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    Oh, please...

    (This is a little late in the thread but still relevant).

    Using the term 'freetard' will always be a good way to detract from your argument

    It's a bit like entering a debate on liberals and conservatives by starting with "The thing about those commies is..." Even your own side aren't going to bother listening to you.

  25. Jim Benn
    FAIL

    Poor, OLD, Gene.

    Well, at least he's got "Boss Tweed" to live with. THAT has to count for something. Otherwise, the poor guy hasn't done anything since "Wanted: Dead or Alive". Besides, he is already making as much money as he possibly can. With his TV show, and the (rerun) KISS tours, he is "Being all he can be". I pity him.

  26. MJI Silver badge
    FAIL

    People actually download it!

    Kiss were dreadful, most of my friends and I considered them a joke, and an embarrasment to the world of Heavy Rock.

    This was back in the heyday of Heavy Rock and Heavy Metal in the 1980s, you had bands like Van Halen (Running with the Devil), Scorpions (Blackout), and of course all the many New Wave Of British Heavy Metal (NWOBHM) bands such as Iron Maiden, Saxon, & Def Leppard. And what did Kiss do - a silly disco song.

    So basically the reason noone is buying Kiss stuff is we prefer decent bands.

    Fail because they should.

  27. zenp
    FAIL

    ....but the true irony lies here, can't believe no ones mentioned it..!

    ...his son is a bit of a rapacious copyist himself, y'knows, for all daddy's claims to great parenting. Kid completely ripped the art from the Japanese manga series Bleach for his own comic. Not just once, but over and over again, so much so that the publishers had to halt production! Way to go Gene. "They're allowed to rebel once I kick them out of the house and they earn their own living.", yeah, by ripping off other artists! How exactly does that NOT count as a FAIL in your books Gene...?

    http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/02/radical-halts-nick-simmons-incarnate-amid-claims-of-plagiarism/

  28. Loki 1

    What a bad father!

    He doesn't want to be his kids' friend? I want to by my kids' best friend so if they have any problems they will come to me to talk about it. He just will push his kids away from him and probably completely off the rails.

    This traditional, I'm the father you do as I say crap is something that should have died out with the dinosaurs. Its like how you see on US films and series' with boys calling their fathers "Sir!". Sir? Its not the bloody army.

  29. Not Installed Properly

    Crazy Crazy Copyrights

    "people try...to take my IP away...so have a listen...to the crap i say..."

    I recall the first line of crazy nights by Kiss being something like; 'heres a little song for everybody out there', which suggests it is a gift. Bit late to complain now, isn't it?

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