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A Scottish independent Christian school has forsworn books, pencils, pens, and paper, and will now educate its young charges solely via Apple's iPad. "We wanted to give each of the pupils an opportunity to use the best equipment available," IT teacher Fraser Speirs told the Daily Record Each and every one of the 105 students …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Are the Teachers stupid?

    I believe children should have limited access to technology at school until they reach certain age.

    They need to learn to read books, write with pens and pencils. Do maths without the aid of a calculator/computer.

    But giving 5yo's iPads to do their school work on will result later in life the inability to write, to do simple calculations in their head.

  2. DrXym

    Great

    So all the students in this school will be able scrawl like a fingerpainting 4 year old. Since that's what a capacitive screen entails.

    In principle there is nothing wrong with a tablet based learning an absolute prerequisite is to be able to write normally on the screen with a stylus device. Not only for learning handwriting, but also taking notes etc. That doesn't mean doing away with capacative input either since there are hybrid screens that do both.

    Other prerequisites are that the device should be rugged, cheap and unattractive to thieves. All things that should instantly rule out using the iPad in any school.

    It sounds like this school hasn't thought their cunning plan through or charges such exorbitant fees that they can afford to waste it stupid gimmicks instead of on proper facilities for their students.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    Education... and Flash..

    Too bad that much of the educational material created over the past decade or so was done in Flash, particularly Knowledge Box and much of the Digital Curriculum content.

    But as they're a private independent faith school, I guess that won't be troubling them.

  4. Stuart Halliday
    Grenade

    Wait for it....

    I can just see a gang gathering outside at the end of the day figuring who to bully or how to break in to steal 10 or 20 iPads which will be worth quite a bit of money to druggies.

    1. Hydrosylator

      Bonanza

      Forget the druggies, go direct the fanbois. These kids are going to be the most attacked catholic schoolkids since the Holy Cross.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        The school is in Greenock

        Forget about the fanbois, it'll be the junkies. If you don't know Greenock, just check out the latest news on the Greenock Telegraph website. AC obviously, I don't fancy getting myself stabbed.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    The land of deep fried Mars bars and Irn Bru

    How will their chubby little finger cope?

    1. Rob 101

      Don't knock the bru

      It's the amber nectar. What could be better to kick of the day than sugar and caffeine with bubbles in.

      Deep fried Mars bars are rare these days but I grant you many places do fried piza slices which are not nice.

  6. Aristotles slow and dimwitted horse
    Stop

    So I'm guessing that...

    This next generation of privately educated god botherers will be prohibited from downloading either Darwin and Dawkins from the iTunes store?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    At the right hand of Steve

    Indoctrination from two directions at once! Quite some competition for prayers and offerings, too. How will they fit all that into the curriculum?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Headmaster

    The following week...

    Way to go teach - announcing it publicly.

    <cut to one month later, Daily record front page article>

    " The crime rate around the Cedars School of Excellence in the town of Greenoch has dramatically increased over the past 4 weeks. Police are baffled by the new crime wave and are continuing to investigate. Meanwhile the headteacher of the school has announced additional equipment provisions as pepper spray and panic alarms will be issued for all pupils. The planned Gymkhana event will be replaced by training in both armed and unarmed combat."

  9. Lloyd
    Stop

    Ahhh, Chemistry

    I remember doing A level chemistry at college and walking in to find the lecturers bench scorched and the polystyrene ceiling tiles missing above the area in question. When pushed on the subject it turned out that the lecturer and a lab tech (who was in his 30's and doing his second PhD, thus destined to never have a proper job) had been playing with iron filings, group 1 metals and various household materials (I seem to remember washing up liquid was mentioned), one of these had resulted in red hot iron filings being blasted upwards, melting the ceiling tiles and scorching the hell out of the desk, ahhhhh, thems were the days.

    He also introduced me to a very helpful book called the psychedelic guide to experimentation.

  10. Daf L
    FAIL

    Another idea...

    So you buy the kids an iPad but they need to type essays, so you get them an iPad keyboard. You then have to use a network synching solution to keep files as they can't use USB memory sticks to transfer their files. You have to buy each child an iPad case so the device can be tilted for them to look at so that their arms don't have seizures holding it.

    You have to find some software and buy it from the app store for each device that can sort of be used for educational and business software but forget about using Alice or Yenka for instance. You can get someone in to write apps but they can only be issued to the kids in limited numbers as a Beta or they will have to be published to the app store.

    Once your kids gets RSI from typing his essay because they've left his keyboard dock at home, they can print it as it has no printing capabilities.

    ...or they could have just bought cheap notebooks (MAC, Windows, Linux, whatever) which would have saved a lot of money and been designed for this sort of purpose and allowed the kids to learn using devices that are used in "The Real World".

    1. DrXym

      Exactly

      A netbook costs half the price and is vastly more suitable for the job. Even a netbook sounds like overkill to teach kids.

      Tablets are only going to be suitable for academia when people can take notes on them. With a stylus. Drawing with a finger, or using some crappy rubberized wand, or using 3rd party software which tries to make sense of capacitive noise is no substitute for a proper resistive precision input.

      That's the iPad's main failing but there are plenty of others when considering giving these to kids. iPads are eminently stealable and expensive items. iPads don't like being dropped on floors or smashed around by kids. iPads suck for education software. It doesn't take much to see what a terrible idea it would be for a school to use them.

  11. John Latham

    So much negativity

    Computer-based education has great potential, to be realised sooner or later. I have a shelfload of technical books I haven't opened in years - all my learning is on-screen.

    Not sure you can get rid of writing on pen and paper until all examinations are computer-based, but then you don't write in textbooks either.

    I haven't actually seen many computer-based learning resources that are better than a textbook for secondary school students, but I don't deny the possibility.

    I have had some success with some simple javascript-based tools to teach basic algebra to a kid with very underdeveloped maths skills, and some of the phonics iPhone apps are quite interesting (although didn't hold the interest of a four year old for very long).

    Anyway, good to see the market being developed with private money and other people's kids. Experimentation is good, right?

    1. bothwell
      Happy

      The title is required, and must contain letters and/or digits.

      "but then you don't write in textbooks either."

      Speak for yourself. There wasn't a single textbook in my old school that hadn't been thoroughly defaced on every page.

      Still the plus side of kids not being able to write is that they won't be capable of putting graffiti anywhere

  12. Hydrosylator

    Here is your finger, far from the point..

    iPad = (almost) porn-free zone

    Whatever you might think of not letting an adult look at porn on your device, not letting kids look at it is actually advantageous.

    I bet they would have used netbooks had it no been for Apple's porn-resistance.

  13. Ryan Kendall

    Bad writing

    They will have terrible handwriting when older

  14. Andy_B
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    Luddites and Daily Mail readers all!

    Wow, who'd have thought The Register readership would be such a hotbed of reactionary luddites!

    Seem to be very ill informed too.

    It's an independent school and the IT teacher there is a well known OSX/iOS developer. So I think the daft points like 'have they considered how these will be charged up' will have been thought out pretty thoroughly up front.

    And then we have the wearisome 'but Android has flash and USB ports'. Yes - but it also has a really poor infrastructure for commercial software development, unlike Apple's thriving app-store. Oh yes, and flash is thankfully dying. Strange that everyone hated flash until Apple stopped supporting it.

    £400 for a computer is cheap, and as everyone on this forum SHOULD know, the cost of IT is all in running costs and maintenance anyway. If the school has a good charging/syncing model then this should be relatively stress free (and by all accounts they seem to).

    Are none of the seasoned IT professionals on this board excited by the prospect of 1-per-child computers in schools, or is everyone so burnt out and jaded about IT that you're yearning for those old days of pencil, paper and chalkboards?

    1. DrXym

      Wrong

      £400 for a computer which has a high probability of being lost / stolen / broken is ridiculous.

      OLPC are talking of a $75 tablet, which this time around is actually within spitting distance of realistic. Certainly there are already 7" android tablets on sale for $100 (e.g. Eken Apad) so it is not unrealistic to expect a computer for kids to be in that ballpark.

      As for Flash, there is a vast amount of educational software written for it. You expect people to just pretend none of that exists.

      As for yearning for the old days, no I'm not. I'm excited about the prospect of computers in classrooms but there has to be a reason for computers in classrooms and the tools have to fit the requirements. The iPad doesn't. Giving every kid an extremely expensive, glass fronted thief magnet is barking mad.

      1. Andy_B

        Report: Flash on Android is startlingly bad

        http://newteevee.com/2010/08/31/video-flash-on-android-is-startlingly-bad/

        So that's a non-starter then.

        The iPads are leased actually. It would be interesting to know what the terms of the lease and the cost to the school is (less than £400 I assume).

    2. Tim Almond
      Go

      Infrastructure

      <i>And then we have the wearisome 'but Android has flash and USB ports'. Yes - but it also has a really poor infrastructure for commercial software development, unlike Apple's thriving app-store.</i>

      The Apple infrastructure works great for buying a game or something that makes fart noises. For yourself.

      But for corporate/supported applications, it's actually worse. You can't download from your own server unless you're a massive corporation with thousands of copies. With Android, you can just put the .apk on a server and get people to install it (or you could just copy the app onto the machines).

  15. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    BSF

    Before the Tories rightly scrapped the BSF scheme I was in talks with a consultant who wanted to kit out every pupil with an iPad, completely ignoring how many thousands it had cost on repairs at another nearby school which gave every pupil a Netbook.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Back when I was at school......

    We had to have a scientific calculator. That was about the same size as an i-pad, probably heavier but with more battery life.

  17. web_bod
    Flame

    YouTube in t' classroom

    1000lbs Thermite Vs SUV http://bit.ly/bklAyi

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Another Science vs Religion rant

    As a supply teacher I have taught science at many schools. I can say that I have never met a science teacher that denied the evolution and/or big bang theories at church schools - and I have taught at Catholic, Anglican and Jewish schools. However, you do find them at secular state schools in alarming numbers.

    BTW, any introduction to genetics will cover the work of Mendel, an Augustinian priest. I usually mention Georges Lemaitre, an RC priest, when covering the Big Bang theory.

  19. Ebeneser
    FAIL

    hmm

    Truly Pathetic

  20. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Too pricey for me, but...

    I can see many useful ways an iPad could be used in schools. Schools have computer labs, and iPads are really just portable computers, and far more advanced than the computers I used throughout school. It's probably not the best use of funds, but it's a private school, so go figure.

  21. Hegghogg

    A 'Jennifer Government' Vibe

    Putting aside the froth that invariably erupts all over The Reg the moment someone mentions "faith" or "religion", AC @ 09:17 01/09 made an important point. Technology has a place in education, sure: a very important place. But it must be introduced at appropriate times, and not used as an easy alternative to actual education.

    I remember throwing a minor paddy as a v. small person because I hated maths and didn't see why I couldn't have a calculator. The parental units sat me down and patiently (really patiently) explained that being able to do maths with a calculator isn't really "being able to do maths". It's "knowing what buttons to press on a calculator". Once I'd proved that I understood the concepts behind the subject, then I'd be allowed to use a calculator.

    I sulked a bit at the time but I have to admit that even then, when I thought about it, this kind of made sense to me. And as an adult I'm bloody grateful to the parents and teachers that they didn't just give in to my childish demands then. The odd thing is I actually find I really like maths now.

    But that aside, what struck me about this story was the 'Jennifer Government' vibe it had. Yes, I know it's a private school, and therefore in theory it can do whatever it wants (and yes, it's run by religious people anyway -- cue aforementioned hysteria). Still, I can't help thinking that submitting an entire school's equipment supplies to one single multinational corporation is a step towards imposing a pseudo-education in which history, economics and other similarly... flexible... subjects are redefined to suit the corporation's own desires.

  22. Bram
    Coffee/keyboard

    Whats Important

    Whats important is that children learn the basics before they get to the tech.

    There is no point giving a child a keyboard before they have learnt to write. Don't just give them a iPad let them research the thing and find out for themselves whether its a good idea or if something else is better.

    The fear is a generation will grow up not being able to use simple tools like dictionarys and reference books in order to find information. How sad will it be if when ever they want to find any information they go to a consumer deveice and take what ever it tells them as Gospel (excuse the pun)

    The only saving grace is that its private school kids who are going to grow up being detached from the real world... hold on

  23. Robert Carnegie Silver badge

    Not Catholic

    I think Catholic schools in Scotland are all paid for by the taxpayer.

    I expect this place doesn't pay VAT for anything, though.

    Pentecostal means that they believe in superhuman powers, I think - "speaking in tongues" and healing and so forth. I've seen this "done" elsewhere, and when, unlike in the bible, they are seen to be not speaking any language known on Earth, it probably doesn't bother them. This makes it quite easy to do. There is a separate superpower of understanding what a person speaking in tongues is saying, which is rarer. I mean, -they- don't know.

    http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2010/03/why-did-you-leave-fold.html refers very unfavourably to what appears to be now the little network of churches that supports the school. This seems to be at variance with other evidence.

    "Some members of my family started going to a scottish pentecostal church called "Struthers Memorial Church" In Greenock Scotland which in my mind has many almost cult-like attributes. And I saw how children in that church were almost brainwashed form an early age and encouraged to fear anything form thew "world" including newspapers, TV, theatre - basically anything that didnt "glorify" god. Not the typical pentecostal church by any means - far more "radical" but i saw what kind of personality type was drawn to that church and didnt like it. Think JESUS CAMP meets the "strict brethren" and you get some idea."

    The other evidence I mentioned is that the school apparently are blogging on Blogspot, maybe have just started. The science blog didn't touch on evolution directly yet that I could see, but they don't seem to be coy about biology in the natural world (and cheese making), or emphatically pious. Mainly it's pictures, taken on iPhone if you were wondering.

    http://cedars.inverclyde.sch.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Blogs

    Also, their prospectus on their wiki, there, at first glance doesn't mention taking care not to learn things that God disapproves of.

    http://www.buying-ipod.com/TB/?P=2303 is an older report about how the school was much concerned about the amount of smut on offer in the App Store, which I think has now been substantially removed. "Their students might be exposed to apps like Amateur Swimsuit , Movie of Sexy Japanese Girl and A Hidden Cam Thong. Silly or no, the school has an obligation to parents..." And to the children. I don't think that is silly, do you?

    But, what would "A Hidden Cam Thong" actually show you? I mean, if it's facing out then you see your trouser zipper, if it's facing in then it's dark. Perhaps you unzip and let the lens peep out to surreptitiously photograph people around you at waist height, for what that's worth, but I think you'd be noticed. Or you leave the thong lying around and hope that somebody else finds it and decides to put it on. But I don't think they've thought this through...

  24. Anonymous Coward
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    Homework

    Can they take them home with them???

    How do they do homework if not????

    How do they do homework if so, maybe Greenock has improved since I lived there but the idea of every child walking round the streets with a £300+ device in their bag is a druggies dream surely!!! How many will be mugged before the school rethinks - I bet they wear a lovely uniform as well so they are CLEARLY marked for muggers!

    Daft I tells you!!!

  25. Dylan Fahey
    FAIL

    DRM, Let's inject it into their DNA

    Why would a school tie down their students with DRM infested hardware? Any responsible school would use linux. It will be the only surviving OS after the zombies kill most of us in 2012.

    FAIL, because sometimes you just shouldn't let just 'anyone' to manage a school budget.

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