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A new music file format has become the latest to try to supersede the basic MP3, promising licensed files will have "tangible benefits" over pirated tracks for the first time. MusicDNA has been developed by Dagfinn Bach, part of the team that developed the current de facto standard at the Fraunhofer Institute 20 years ago. …

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  1. bruceld
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    Interesting...umm

    I'm 110% all for supporting the artists and NOT the media corporations. There are too many problems with this idea.

    I might be missing something here, but I could see how this new format be interesting to indie artists that rely on the distribution of their music for absolutely free and without compensation, but rely solely on having their fans attend their concerts and buy their merchandise. I can't see anything wrong with unknown artists wanting their concert and merchandising info to be fed to their music files in the hopes to earn a living.

    But, why not create MP3 ID4 that will do this instead?

    I would NEVER support such a thing if it were flogged by Sony/WMG/EMI/etc. Fuck them.

    As for the DRM. Indie and unknown artists need to understand that DRM will only destroy their chances. I'd also be concerned if the streaming information content distribution of this MusicDNA got hacked it could wreak havoc upon their fans and will drive them away permanently. That is very very dangerous.

    In addition, what if someone created a virus that hunted down MusicDNA music files and hacked them to become spam relays or part of a botnet? What if they were hacked to spew porn, pharmaceuticals, gambling spam instead?

    As a general rule, ANY closed format file is very bad for business.

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  2. heyrick Silver badge
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    Right...

    So we'll be able to have our browsers open on a forum full of people complaining that every time they listen to the damn song their browser open on the forum full of people complaining about how their brows..... and so on.

    Nothing about this sounds good. Nothing about this sounds useful. In fact, it sounds like something of a recipe for disaster - didn't anybody learn from Sony's failed rootkit attempt? A choice between an "enhanced" MP3 and a <cough>download</cough>, I think the legal risk is slightly less bothersome than the security risk.

    Okay, say it with me. Three times for emphasis.

    FAIL.

    FAIL.

    FAIL.

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  3. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    MP3 will live forever

    The music industry needs to adapt their business model rather than trying to protect the existing model. We've been downloading illegally since the late 1990s and the music industry is still alive and kicking. The industry won't adapt until illegal downloads truly start to hurt the bottom line.

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    1. Big-nosed Pengie
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      Die, MP3, Die

      Die and be replaced by open codecs.

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  4. Anonymous Coward
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    illegal

    "In what is claimed as MusicDNA's main advantage over illegally downloaded MP3s ..."

    What's the advantage over LEGALLY downloaded MP3s then? (Or do they not realise that it's perfectly possible to have MP3 files that are not "illegal").

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  5. Anonymous Coward
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    soooo

    The only reason why mp3 dominates is because it means your collection isn't dependent on a specific device/app since pretty much every one of them supports this format.

    Now, if you want to get a movement to a new standard format going it has to be based on the focus of the medium. In the case of music, it's the audio - specifically, the fidelity. This is where the migration towards FLAC needs to happen, and the embracing of the file format by those in control of the content.

    However, even with a significant improvement to the quality of the audio, you're gonna find a good chunk of people will stick with mp3 because it provides what they want (the audio), a means of labelling each track (ID3 tags) and is of a sufficient quality for where they're using it and so don't see a need to buy a new copy.

    I guess the cash cow of changing formats requiring you to buy yet another copy of something you have owned before is dead too - this is one of the other reasons why I love the digital file :D

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  6. Diogenes
    WTF?

    The decomposing composers

    Can't image Hildegard of Bingen, Mozart, Beethoven or Wagner doing much twittering or for that matter von Karajan or Solti doing much blogging.

    I know the Konzertgebouw, and Berlin and Vienna Phils aren't going to visit Australia soon, and the Bayreuth Festival also won't be coming this way soon either, and as for the 'Oyley Carte that disappeared a long time ago so I won't get any twits from them...

    As for the words - when listening to sacred music - they are all the same ... except when Mrs Schubert's naughty little Franz makes some subtle changes in the Credo in D167 - and Opera or Oratoria - well who really cares? - I don't speak french or italian, and can pick up enough when sung in german or english not to need to worry, especially if the choir/chorus is good and the soloists enunciate.

    These idiots assume only contemporary music is being ripped - I am not to worried about the mp3 quality loss, as I play the music mostly in a noisy kitchen (moonlighting as a dishpig whilst I finish my degree - it keeps the FOH staff and the rest of the kitchen staff out of my little kingdom :-) ) .

    So many icons to choose from ....

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  7. Anonymous Coward
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    Online ?

    How is my pocket mp3 player meant to connect online ?

    Having waited 10 years until the format "stabilised" and having just spent the last year upgrading my 200 gig mp3 collection to 320 kbps I have a feeling that the introduction of a new format is going to, erm, be unwelcome with me.

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  8. Anonymous Coward
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    MusicDNA = Spyware AdWare

    Think this new fanged formats just another spyware app in the making

    - Getting your Tracks too call home is just another way of getting money earning statistics information that the track is still being played so you can then use to put on more concerts so you get even more money.

    - Its also another way of spying on the customers. “Well he put it on the ipod played it 500 times, and that other pc and gave a copy to his friend, and now he has let the whole world have a copy”

    I say NO to MusicDNA it can die like all the others that have failed before it

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  9. Tom Kelsall
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    No title required.

    All that has to be done, is to convince the artists to step outside the vicious chain of promotor/distributor control. Incentivise the artists to produce music for themselves and publicise/sell it themselves and the likes of Louis Walsh/Simon Cowell will be no more... Artists will make money from their music and mere humans like you and I will have access to what we want at sensible prices.

    Let's remember - the promotor/distributor geeks who actually bring the lawsuits (with the exception of f**kwit Bono) are NOT trying to protect artist copyright... they're trying to protect their own profits...

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  10. Anonymous Coward
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    In the mind of a music downloader

    When I want a song, I first check a website such as 7digital.com. If the track is available there DRM free, then I will pay for it and download it. If I cannot find a legal way to obtain it, I go on to check more nefarious sources.

    Seriously, make stuff available easily, or the pirates are offering a better service than you. The people who break the law will still do it, it's just the legitimate buyers you hurt by restricting them. It applies more to computer games with stuff like activation limits, but it's the same principle.

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  11. Anonymous Coward
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    Record companies

    When will they realise that the way forward is to invest money in acts in the same way that they used to.

    We need less of these acts which last a year (tops) and are based entirely on mass advertising campains (X Factor etc) and a return to the traditional ways of finding musicians.

    In a lyric I first heard over a decade ago "If The Doors or John Lennon were getting started now, the industry wouldn't touch them in a million years"...

    So less DRM and hype and more artist development. Everyone knows it makes sense!

    (It also means we'll see less shit like Jedward!)

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  13. Anonymous Coward
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    Why do we still use FAT on flash drives?

    There are far better formats, even MS would agree, although i imagine they are still getting by on licenses for it.

    The reason is simple and its the same as why we use mp3 as a format and why HD tv is not being taken up as quick as say DVDs were, there is little customer benefit and what is perceived is even less compared to the effort and hassle perceived in changing.

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  14. Anonymous Coward
    Pirate

    The F-word

    1. Play file with MusicDNA in approved player.

    2. Capture raw digital audio at driver.

    3. Save without DRM in a format of your choice MP3, Ogg....

    4. Share via chosen method (torrent, usenet, etc).

    Latest DRM nonsense shown to be worthless - Done!

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  15. TeeCee Gold badge
    FAIL

    "...will offer no improvement in sound quality"

    So, to paraphrase: New improved Shit, now available with extra Shit.

    I believe that WMA and the Zune have this market already sewn up though.

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