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Apple unveiled its updated iPhone today, and the only real surprise was its name: the iPhone 3G S. Well, that and a new Voice Control application, plus the fact that the rest of the world will get the new iPhone 3.0's internet tethering and MMS capabilities before US iPhone users. AT&T won't offer MMS until "later this summer …

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@Jonathon Cohen

I think that you are wrong to say something is unuseable when you clearly haven't used the device other than in a shop. I haven't used an N95, so I can't say, they just look clunky and my personal experience of Nokia handsets has been a bad one. I have had a Blackberry (functional, but bland) and an HTC Touch (painful, just about the worst phone I've ever owned) nothing has come close to iPhone. It's interface isn't just form over function (do you *actually* understand what that means?) it works better than any other phone interface (here's the key bit) IMHO.

It's never been about ticking boxes on a feature list (Nokia) both RIM and Apple want to get the features right and get them working well. The lack of MMS? Personally don't use it, certainly haven't missed it. I'd argue that email is more useful. Does your N95 do that? If it does why do you feel the need to carry a the E71 as you email device? The iPhone is similar to the iPod - which has never had an FM reciever either. Your point? That and the other "missing" features are specific to you. That's fine, don't buy one. 20 million users can't be wrong though. It's the experience that is key, not a list of poorly implimented feature bloat.

18 month contracts are fairly standard across the board now, and have been for a long time. Your £15 Nokia was subsidised by your carrier by the way, although that might go someway to explain why Nokias profits have been tanking. We have been lucky in the UK in terms of mobile contracts. We are one of the few contries where you can get high spec phones for free with a generous and cheap contract. The iPhone contract is actually quite generous. 600 mins, 500 texts, UNLIMITED data over 3G and WiFi. The WiFi coverage in major towns and cities is excellent. The contact is less than £35 a month. No other carrier IME matches that. Yes, the phone cost me £99 up front, it has been worth every penny. The sim free price? £650 on Pixmania. That's only £50 more than the N96. Personally, I've never understood the obsession with Nokia. Ugly, unusable, bloated and cheap bricks IMHO.

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Still no Flash then?

6 months left on contract and then it's Android for me, the more I use my iPhone the more constricting I find it.

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Joke

Geeks look away now

@AC 03:01 GMT

Who needs a compass? Are you sitting down? prepare for a shock. There are in the world, another sort of human. They are called 'women'. I have sat in a car with one while she attempted to navigate. She was finding it difficult to read the names on the map because she was holding it upside down so it conformed to our heading . . . Our daughters on asking 'Dad, where is north and me pointing unerringly to it have looked at me as though it were I that were an alien and not them.

I agree that as a male of the species I know which way is up, providing I can clock the sun or some further astronomical cues, but not all are so well endowed.

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I'm disappointed

The outrageous tethering charges are a deal breaker at the moment. Damn you O2... this is the sort of bullshit pulled when there is a monopoly :(

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@ Damp Squib AC

Re: cut and paste. Yes it does have cut and paste system wide in the 3.0 software.

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@Simon Says

I'm starting to think the same... I started my 18 month contract on July 11th 2008 and if they aren't offering a discount to existing iphone users then I'll just upgrade to 3.0, then see where we are in January (probably v3.2 by then). Can't understand the huge jump in price for an extra 16Gb memory, its ridiculous.

And 24 month contract? What, so next year, when the next version comes out, you can be dissappointed again at having to pay the remaining contract time to upgrade? Plus they didn't alter the pricing last year, so I'm not expecting them to drop the price later this year.

Disappointed there is no video calling, just because I thought the idea of Steve Jobs appearing by video call at the conference would have been great.

Can't believe they still have no FM transmitter.

Waiting to laugh at how much they will charge for TOMTOM, and wondering how they will cache the maps, or whether you will be able to download the whole UK map.

And disappointed they are charging for tethering.

I was excited at first. But now the novelty is wearing off now I've seen the pricing plans.

All they are going to do with their aggressive pricing plans, is make a bigger blackmarket for jailbreaking. Why don't I just wait and pay £500 for the handset and get free tethering, free TOMTOM, free applications???

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I sort of get it

I use an HTC Touch Cruise and I love it but I'm seriously considering moving to an iPhone (3GS 32GB). If I look at the basic phone then it is definitely feature deficient vs something like the HTC Touch HD and, now that I've customised my Windows Mobile device (with stuff like Mortbuttons, Wisbar, AgendaOne, etc), I'm not that fussed about the iPhone UI which I've played about with quite a bit on friend's phones and in various Apple stores. Two things are swaying me towards an iPhone though.

Firstly, I want to combine my music player and my phone into a single device and, with 27GB of music, I need 32GB of storage. Once you add the cost of a 32GB micro SDHC card (once they become available) to the price of many other phones that use this for storage (e.g. the HTC range) then the iPhone doesn't look quite such bad value for money.

Secondly, and this is the big one for me; applications! So many of the apps that I use regularly on my HTC (e.g. eReader plus various games and utilities) are updating at a much faster rate on the iPhone and are now functionally much richer than their mostly stagnant Windows Mobile versions. The app store also seems to be driving even very complex applications down to amazingly affordable levels.

I have no love for Apple and I hate the way they so often refuse to introduce features because, in their mind, they are right and their customers are wrong, but for me I think I'm somewhat reluctantly coming to the conclusion that the iPhone is the right choice for my next device.

- Julian

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@Jamie Hylton

"Waiting to laugh at how much they will charge for TOMTOM, and wondering how they will cache the maps, or whether you will be able to download the whole UK map"

By "they", do you mean TomTom? As much as they think they can sell it for I imagine. Probably not much less than the dedicated systems - it's generally not the hardware you're paying for.

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@Mac Phreak

"20 million users can't be wrong though"

Come on thats one for the worst arguments ever. Its like saying that Hitler was great because 60 million germans can´t be wrong.

(yes yes i know mentioning hitler is a internet offence now but i don´t care)

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Tethering charges...

Stupid question... how do they know the phone is tethered ? Does the iPhone 3GS(hit) grass you up ?

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Jobs Horns

End of iPhone for me

I'm about 6 months in with my 3G i-phone. It's a good phone some nice features that other people dont think of (andmissing some others) but I'm pretty sure it wil be my last i-phone.

The price of the 3G was excessive and I only took it because I got the 30% corporate discount. The new 3Gs is ridiculous, £90 for 16Gb of flash (cost apple £5-£10 max)! £15pm for 3Gb of tethering on O2's crappy network!!!! Anyone who pays that needs their head examined. You can tether for free on pretty much every other phone in the world.

Add that to the 24 month contract. I hate 18 month contracts already, to have to pay for a phone when your giving them nearly £1000 through a contract is robbery!

Think I'l be going back to HTC or moving to Android or Pre when my contracts up. To the apple fanbois it's a failry good phone but it aint God's gift to telecoms.

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nifty "tap to focus"?

Nice to see Apple copying features from other systems and claiming them as their own. "Tap to focus" has been available on the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 since launch last year

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iPhone Users Contract Woes

Why do iPhone users believe they should be able to dump their contract just because of the new iPhone? Before the iPhone, you signed up for a contract term and lived with it or paid it off. If a new handset came out, you had to wait or pay the remaining contract, schimples.

Just because Apple are in the business of marketing products that succeed each other so regularly shoudn't change anything: you enter a contract and live with it. It seems iPhone users are trying to create a culture of crying out of a contract just because their preferred handset is updated so fequently.

BTW, I'm seriously considering moving from Nokia/Symbian to the iPhone because of the 3GS but a 24 month contract is as hard to swallow as the ridiculous costs!

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Tether this, b*tch

So has anyone popped out their iPhone SIM and popped it into another phone or dongle and tethered to a laptop this way? I've always wondered if it was possible or if O2 somehow can detect this and charge you for the data.

Their pricing for tethering is bl**dy stupid, I can't imagine too many people taking this option.

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Expensive tethering?

O2 want to charge £14.98 for tethering! and that only gets you 3GB of data! Come on O2, we're already paying upwards of £30 a month. Do you really expect people to pay that much?

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Solid update to a great product...

To their credit Apple have done well to incorporate features that many iPhone users have suggested. Looks like a good update that keeps them ahead of the curve.

Its a shame Apple can't force the network providers to provide higher speed / bandwidth 3g which is frankly painfully slow to use, particularly in dense urban population areas at peak times.

Similarly the continued ommission of Adobe Flash is a real pain, leaving large chunks of the web inaccesible to safari on iPhone browsers.

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Tethering

The O2 price for tethering is exactly the same as their price for a 3G data plan with dongle. So what's the problem?

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Jobs Horns

RE:Solid update to a great product...

'Looks like a good update that keeps them ahead of the curve'

Sorry? Ahead how? Seems like they are permanently running to play catch-up releasing features that other manufacturers have had for years.

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Lets have a sweepstake

lets have a sweepstake for the price of the tomtom app

£100-£124

£125-£149

£150+

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AT&T Blows

I worked for a telecom company when SBC (the company that took over AT&T) took us over. One of the projects I was on involved removing old switches from our software. When SBC took over, they were MOVING TO that switch in certain areas.

I still have friends who work there. They say that the technology has not advanced in the ten years that SBC has been in charge.

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Wait n See

I must admit i was a bit suprised by O2's pricing but doesn't affect me as my contract doesn't end until next year. Reasonably happy with my iPhone 3G (only complaint is the battery life) and the 3GS doesn't really offer me anything I want (I used to have a Sony Ericsson with an 8Mp camera .. bought a camera with a decent lens instead). I'll live with the speed and next year will see what the market throws up. I certainly think O2's marketing is getting shoddy and I feel no loyalty to them any more (big problems upgrading last time), so maybe it'll be the Goggle Android next year (a year of mobile phone development should make a difference) .. or maybe the iPhone will not be tied to a single supplier.

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No More

I've got two 8GB iPhones, 1st generation and 2nd generation (3G). I can upgrade the 1st gen since it's contract is up for renewal, but I'm not going to bother.

The only commitment for me is as an App Store developer, but the pre-3.0 userbase is going to be around for a while yet (if you want a parallel, PS2 games still sell like hotcakes).

So now I'm hoping Android gets it's act together in the next 12-24 months. And I never thought I'd say that out loud. Apple held all the cards in the first two years, but now the carriers are getting greedy again and O2 aren't getting any more of my money.

I recall seeing a Vodafone advert on telly about no roaming charges. I might just wander into one of their stores...

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Jobs Halo

RE:Solid update to a great product...

> Sorry? Ahead how? Seems like they are permanently running to play catch-up releasing features that other manufacturers have had for years.

I disagree. While certain capabilities / features certainly existed on other handsets prior to the iPhone putting these together was a huge leap forward in mobile terms - same as the nintendo n64 with its 3d graphics and innovative control (and later the wii) was to earlier generation consoles.

The combination of large touch screen, beautiful UI, Web Browser (that works) Google Maps w/ GPS & directions, app store, iTunes, youtube, facebook etc left every other handset out there looking last century.

iPhone was a revolution in mobile - the first true internet phone that actually worked. This update while certainly not a gamer changer is a logical progression that ensures iPhone remains ahead of the competition.

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@Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 9th June 2009 10:07 GMT

Fair point!

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Jobs Halo

It's not THAT good yet!

TO THE TROLLS

Has anyone noticed that the new iPhone 3GS:

1 Can't get me a girlfriend

2 Can't stop me masturbating

But it's a fucking good device apart from those!

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Paris Hilton

shiny != good

i'd just like to add that i think apple suck as well, for all the reasons pointed out above, plus itunes and the need to use it.

i have nothing against other people using/liking one, i just think they're idiots, a bit like the religious freaks really.

paris as she's vacuous enough to fall for the shiny lure

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counterpoint

1) MMS came to the iPhone late, yes. Why? IT HAS FULL E-MAIL!!!! WTF do you WANT to pay $0.25 to send each message through a snazzy interface when you can send them through email for FUCKING FREE!?!?!

2) Video support: It's a power thing. Yes the original phone could record video, we proved that with hacks. It drains the battery damn quick... and the camera was shoddy at best. Why? Not because apple chose that, but because that was the only non-proprietary camera they could get their hands on at the time that fit in the case. Nokia, Samsung, and others had excusive deals with too many vendors and Apple could not get a decent lense pack during development. Now they can, and 3.2MP btw gets 480P resolution (ie is IS High Def morons. You want a true 720P or higher camcorder be ready to shell out hundreds for a real camera cuz a cheap cell camera at ANY resolution can't cut it. I've seen output from a 5MP phone camera. My 2.1MP point and shoot takes MUCH better pictures... There's only so much noise you can cancel with pizels that tightly packed behind a 1/4" lens.

3) 18-24 month contracts? Your blaming APPLE for this? Buy a blackberry and see if it's any different. The Storm is $499 without a contract, and you only get $100 towards a replacement after 2 full years with Verizon... It's $199 with a 2 year deal, same price as the iPhone ($100 LESS subsidy to you) and the Storm's calling plans with data are $20-30 more per tier and tethering is STILL extra ($40 extra!). 2 year cost of a blackberry Storm is $820 more than the new iPhone with the same plan, and you only get $100 off your next one if you go the whole 2 years, Apple is offering $200 off your next one at 1 year.... This does not include Blackberrie's poor store and over inflated prices on apps. If you don;t want a contract, but the iPhone at $599 if you really went to. Just give up MMS, SMS, 3G, visual voicemail, aGPS, and pretty much everything else that doesn't work over wifi and you can bring it to the network of your choice... feel free!

4) Voice Dial? How about Voice COMMAND. We've had voice dial in the form of FREE apps from 3rd parties for a long time. That's nothing new and something Apple left to the free market. The phone may not include it, BUT IT'S FREE TO ADD! There are a LOT of apps the iPhone does not come with out of the box, but they ARE available, and most are free. There's little at all free on other phones, and most apps START at $5, many are $30! Big deal it wasn't fully integrated, it could still be done, and now there's a complete solution available that comands not only calling, but virtually every feature of the device.

5) 7.2MB HSPDA is the current deployed standard. Yes, 21MB 4G is coming down the pipe, but we can NOT legally distribute chips capable of using frequencies the FCC has not approved... 4G is nearly 2 years from coming online in major cities, still nearly a year until it's running on pilot systems. Do you REALLY want to add $100 in cost to a device you can't use for 2 years???? 7.2 is only yet availablein select locations... Besides, WTF do you plan to dowload to YOUR PHONE on a connection that's likelly FASTER than your home broadband pipe? 7.2 is pleanty fast enough, even tethering, to pull multiple concurrent full HD streams.

6) And whoever said it *still* doesn't have cut and paste: You're *still* an idiot, that was added with 3.0...

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@Steve

I see that the Jobs RDF is strong with you

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@ Fair point! It's not THAT good yet!

Dunno about 1., but thought there was an app for 2.

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Sorry to butt in

Anyway, putting this iphone stuff to one... does anyone know when the Nokia E55 might be released in the UK?

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Paris Hilton

@Ascylto

> Has anyone noticed that the new iPhone 3GS:

> 1 Can't get me a girlfriend

1. Open Safari : Google : "Babylon Girls London"

2. Select model

3. Call & Make Booking

4. Follow Compass / Google Map directions to hotel

They could probably make an "app for that" but i don't suppose it would be allowed...

Paris, cause girls like that love an expenses paid night in the London Hilton...

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@ @ Fair point! It's not THAT good yet!

Re: No 2

Well, I suppose you've got to WANT to stop.

I will, possibly, one day, maybe.

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Must try harder

Gotta say I expected more than this. I really expected this one to make me regret getting my Touch HD four months ago. But no.

Still a nice device but still can't do enough to tempt me. Genuinely glad to see TomTom is on the way. Hopefully next year's update will be the one that can do all I can now (background GPS for instance) with a screen res boost (HTC-stylee).

Then it'll be worth jumping from WinMo for.

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AT&T "will" support tether

According to "breaking news" over on Engadget, AT&T will support tethering on the iPhone 3GS, sorta, maybe, soon.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/atandt-well-offer-tethering-on-the-iphone/

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Hardware now firmly in the 21st Century

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No iPhone for me

I'd consider an iPhone if AT*T gave existing customers a discount on them but they don't care about existing customers. By the time my 2 year contract is up (renewed in February of this year), there will be some newer iPhone version out there than this one and without MMS and a replaceable battery, I'm still on the fence. My Palm Centro was free and works just fine. I can replace the battery, have MMS, and everything else just works.

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How to upgrade on the cheap

Nice to see that O2 are discontinuing the 16Gb 3G. This means that those of us with one of these can sell it on eBay for £300 and then buy the new 16Gb 3GS for £440 SIM-free. Just insert your existing O2 SIM and bob's your uncle. An upgrade under your existing contract for around £150 - possibly less...

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Mobile Internet is a rip off

And until it gets cheaper than land-line Internet, I ain't having it. I mean really, how much money did c&w spend running cables through every neighbourhood in the country that they want to service? And how does this stack up versus running a single wire to a mobile tower to service an entire neighbourhood? Hell, if you've got LOS between two mobile towers you don't even need the wire.

Also if you are a first time customer for Cable or any kind of landline, it means a team of people and a van coming around to dig your garden up. Mobile Internet? A USB stick in the post. What do you think is cheaper?

Then let's mention the limited "unlimited" connections, that will charge you 10p per megabyte if you exceed the "unlimited" limit. Sure even land-line ISPs have a fair use policy, but you'll usually just get throttled even if there is a per-user policy and not simply a restriction on the whole network at peak periods (the fairest solution, IMNSHO).

There must be a bunch of people raking in the dough and laughing their socks off while we go for the WONDER of mobile broadband, paying inflated prices for extended contracts like it's some kind of bargain.

Wake up, people.

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