back to article BNP DDoS 'mega-assault' not actually mega in the least

A supposedly massive denial of service attack against the British National Party website has been exposed as a gross exaggeration. The assault, which began on Friday, was described by the party in an email appeal for funds as the "largest cyber attack in recorded history" and comparable only to a 2001 assault against Microsoft …

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  1. James O'Shea Silver badge

    re anglo saxon

    The noxious tuetons in general and the saxons in particular all came from bloody Central Asia. Let them bugger off back to whatisitstan and stay there.

    You _do_ know that 'Saxon' basically means 'shiv man', don't you? Bloody knife-fighting bastards, invading, polluting the countryside, behaving like the chavs they are. Send 'em back where they came from. Do it now. Britain for Celts!

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    AC@21:36 cant count

    He seems to think 800,000 = 1 million.

    Typical BNP IQ apparently.

    Didnt offend me post was untrue in every aspect.

    Epic fail BNP.

  3. jsp
    Boffin

    @AC the fascist

    > Over 50% of newborns in London now are to foreign-born mothers ...

    And I have to say: so what? Why should I care? Do you want to throw my wife out of the country?

    You are so proud of being Anglo-Saxon? But that'll be just two of the hundreds of "foreign" groups who have "invaded" our country in the past and "ruined" our way of life.

    > it is inevitable that native Brits will be a minority in our own capital city

    No it isn't, because all those "foreign" newborns will be native Brits. Just as much as you or me. Live with it. Get over your inferiority complex and just be happy. Why not go out for a nice meal. You have such a great choice: Indian/Chinese/Mexican/Italian/Polish/American/Vietnamese/French or even British...

    > You only have to look to ...

    These countries have plenty of other reasons for their problems. Few of them are *caused* by race (but that may be used as an excuse by the ignorant - sound familiar?).

    I can think of plenty of examples of other countries with very diverse populations that coexist pretty well.

    Singapore is a good example (despite perhaps not being the Western ideal of a democracy).

    The USA.

    And, oooh, let me think now, oh yes: Great Britain. Which I am proud to say is largely happily multi-cultural despite a small minority of not terribly bright people trying to cause trouble.

    The thing is, the trouble isn't caused by foreigners. It is caused by *you*. Try putting your head under water for 30 minutes. See if that helps.

  4. jsp
    Alert

    Re: Anglo Saxons

    And, of course, the Celts were bloody foreigners anyway. Although, I think that what we know about the pre-celtic inhabitants (who were quite possibly foreign invaders in their turn) probably wouldn't even fill your average BNP brain cell.

  5. Steve Swann
    Stop

    @AC 21:36

    Well, that was *almost* a cogent argument, but you are in the territory of 'epic fail' due to one small thing...

    ...you posted anonymously.

    If you believe in what you are saying; if you feel that you are morally right; if you are a champion and defender of free speech; why did you choose to hide your identity?

    I would submit it is because, deep down, you *know* that a policy of discrimination, of any kind, against anyone, is fundamentally wrong, don't you? After all, you're saying that 'the real Brit' is the one being discriminated against, the one forced into the minority rule, aren't you? QED discrimination is wrong - it doesn't matter *who* is on the receiving end, surely? Or are you so utterly blind as to be unable to see beyond skin pigmentations?

    If you're so convinced you are right then step up and be named. I'll even listen to your views and consider any evidence you place in front of me. I doubt I'll agree with much you have to say as I am one of the believers in "There is only one people" and a Marxist, to a degree, but I will give you space to air your beliefs.

    Of course, you won't - you are ultimately a coward and will practice cowardly tactics, because you *KNOW* you are wrong, don't you?

    No? Come on and prove otherwise then.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Celts are a Germanic Tribe

    does no one bother to look at history anymore?

    Anyway Anderson is a Swedish name, you hark from the northern tribes, possibly of Pict descent.

    Labour is making the next election a race issue, and gambling that enough people have been brainwashed by the double speak educators, because the BNP tends to get ex Labour voters. The Conservatives tend to get ex Liberal voters.

    The next election is going right wing no matter what happens, people want a government to concentrate on getting a strong economy back, and leftist bollocks never works, mill stone round the neck of the strong.

    The BNP will get the protest votes for Europe, they won't win the general election but they may get a few seats, it would be good to see them tested a bit more. People don't like racism but they do like nationalism. And not many care what the Church says any more. Send the BNP to Europe that will put the cat amongst the pigeons, a nationalist party in Euroland, they are more likely to find out what is going on there, may even get us paying less to the EC or perhaps get our fishing rights back.

  7. Arnold Layne
    Stop

    @ AC

    > > In case you haven't checked their are millions of people voting BNP now

    No. After you've taken your shoes and socks off and counted up as far as you know how please try to remember that the the next number is "twenty one" not "millions".

    My father served in the war and saw Belsen shortly after its liberation so don't try to tell me there was no holocaust you small-minded nazi lowlife scumbag.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Pirate

    Anglo Saxons, Danes, Celts, whatever

    The BNP probably should have bought better than a budget hosting agreement, so it seems they need to upgrade to a more robust server; IMHO well overdue, however will probably look rather silly, if they exaggerated the DDoS attack, to raise funds for an upgrade.

    Mr 'Celt', I doubt you are a pure Celt now, what with all the interbreed between Northern European (White) peoples on this island, the majority of which occurred and formed our culture, and laws, before we had appreciable immigration from other parts of the World. We say Anglo Saxon because they just happened to be one of the more powerful groups after the Romans, and carried on Roman Law, and Christianity, for a while after, we don't tend to say we are Normans, because they acted like thugs.

    Immigration is fine at a low level, and without significant differences in, skin colour, culture, law, religion, and birth rate. However immigration is no longer at an acceptable level, this is fracturing our resources _now_, worse, integration and interbreeding appear to be declining, and the negligent UK state keeps making the situation worse, so our very culture, freedom, law, and identity, are under threat.

    It is no surprise that the foreign groups like Marxists, and the Islamic mafia, have seen fit to stir up trouble, because they see an opportunity to get a foothold, for their profitable interests, in this country. I may not like all about the BNP, however there are worse groups active now e.g. state Marxists, state Fascists, our criminal parliament, and the Wahhabi Moslems!

  9. The Jase

    Griffin

    "like the fake Gurkha leaflet in the Sun"

    What about Grififn on 5-Live calling Gurkhas mercenaries and saying he would pay them more pension and have them live in Nepal and not here?

    As I said AC's, why do you hate the Gurkhas? Is it becuase they are not white? Don't want the darkies staying in your street/neighbourhood/town/county/country/planet?

    Grow yourself a pair and just admit you are a racist and you don't want the Gukhas living here, instead of being a liar and a racist.

  10. Tony
    Joke

    @ Steve Anderson

    "Anyone "Anglo Saxon and proud" with a BNP leaning can bugger off back to Germany any time they like and leave us happy Liberal Celts behind, thanks."

    Ummmm - The original inhabitants of these scepter'd isles were the Picts. The Celts were also invaders. But by the time that the Angles & the Saxons arrived, the Celts had already interbred with the Romans, the idigenous PIcts, various other races that the Romans brought with them, such as East Europeans, North Africans, as well as the various Mediteraneans.

    Basically, we are a mongrel race. But that's OK, because most mongrels are far tougher than the thoroughbreds.

    And of course, if we want to be picky, we all came from Africa anyway.

  11. Chewy

    @AC 21:36

    Hmmm I'm not aware on any kind of Marxist government in this country. Tell us exactly what Marxist policies exist in British politics.

    The fact that you quote from Wikipedia means nothing, since you could have easily changed the figures. Hardly surprising from a party who weren't aware of what impact Polish pilots had in WW2 though.

    You really should look at the racially pure people in Roger Ballen's photos.

  12. J Ford
    Black Helicopters

    BNP bingo

    From BNP supporters comments:

    Ludicrous exaggeration: check (floods of DDOS hits_and_floods of forriners)

    Frothing hyperbole: check

    Unqualified statistics: check

    "Poor oppressed white people": check

    Paranoid finger pointing ("it woz the BBC/Joos/Searchlight what done it") : check

    "liberal media" (those pinkos at the Daily Express, obviously): check

    "Everyone else is racist": check

    "Everyone else is Marxist": check

    "Oo, I'm so victimised": check

    Whine whine whine: check, check and check again.

    Can I call house?

    Honestly, if running a website is beyond the capability of these chumps, how stupid do you have to be to offer them real power and responsibility? (actually, I think Gordon could probably offer them a post running a gov IT project...)

    Presumably if we're all about sending people back to their ethnic origin then it'll get a little crowded once all the Americans and Australians have returned here.

    Doesn't add up, does it? Any of it.

  13. Alan
    Stop

    @AC 21:36

    Why didn't you use your real name?

    If we eject all "foreign nationals" who's going to drive the buses, serve in restaurants, clean hotel rooms, treat the sick & dying, pick fruit & veg, mend toilets etc etc

    We need immigrants because far too many people in this country are too self-important / bone idol to carry out necessary but unglamorous jobs.

    It may have escaped your attention that over the centuries Britain has regularly taken in foreigners who've integrated into our society to such an extent that we've probably got the most multi-cultural society outside the US, and this society works as long as knuckle draggers like yourselves butt out.

    Why don't you go and join the like minded ex-pats who live in the Sun reading utopia of southern Spain where you can keep your race pure and English speaking...

  14. CockKnocker
    Unhappy

    my 2cents

    Why dont the UK just adopt the aussie style of immigration law. If you aint rich, smart, qualified, or can do a skill we need then sodoff we dont want ya. A boat load of illigals tries to dock, sod off away from our waters (plus escort from boat with big guns). If you come here to sponge off the state and not integrate into our society, we dont want ya! Instead over here the government lets in rapists, terrorists, lowlifes, chavs, etc etc. All the undesirables. I can kinda see why the BNP has such a prob with immigration. Obviously they go waaay to far with their crackpot policies but they are voicing concerns a lot of "normal" people have. Who to vote for anyway, they are all as bad as each other when it comes down to it. From the classic film brewsters millions, ill vote for "none of the above!".

  15. jsp
    Stop

    @AC the fascist

    > PS. Sorry to offend anyone ...

    No you're not. Obviously.

    Otherwise you wouldn't say such objectionable, senseless and hate-filled things. Your only purpose, surely, is to offend and stir up trouble. So then you can say: "look, see, I told you there would be trouble".

    I am not sure there is any point attempting to have a rational argument with a narrow minded, ignorant, bigoted coward, but eher goes...

    > brainwashed lefties

    I'll have you know I am getting more and more right-wing as I get older!

    But even if there are an infinite number of universes, there isn't one where I would find your views acceptable (or even comprehensible).

    I don't think it is a very accurate description of most Reg readers either. "Free thinking twats" might be a better description :-) I suspect most of them might be too literal-minded and logical to be taken in by your nonsense. (You might have noticed that by now.)

    > we British don't even exist

    What do you mean by "we British"? Because I am ashamed to be associated with your views. So we'll have less of the "we", thank you very much..

    Objectively there is no such thing as a "British race". There isn't a unique set of genetic markers that identify the True Brit from Johny Foreigner, Pub Landlord from Manuel.

    Ask a population geneticist about the concept of race, it doesn't exist: there is typically more variation within groups perceived as a "race" than there is between "races". (Oh but wait, maybe he is part of a lefty marxist liberal conspiracy because the science doesn't match your preconceptions.)

    There is British nationality, but that is purely a matter of legal convention.

    Ultimately, there are just people who live here. Some were born here. And some them have parents who were born here. And so on. But ultimately we all came out of Africa (which must be rather distressing for you). How far back can you trace *all* of your ancestors being born in this country? (Not that I care of course)

    > eventually one group will emerge dominant

    Hopefully, not yours. Probably, the other 99% of the population. You know, the sensible ones.

  16. jsp

    @Tony

    > The original inhabitants of these scepter'd isles were the Picts

    Well, we don't know that they were the *original* inhabitants.

    But they probably interbred with whoever was here before them. And took their jobs, blah blah...

  17. Anonymous Coward
    IT Angle

    doomed

    looking at these comments just confirms history will take its course:

    if you ask 100 A-S Brits if immigration is a good idea, you will get 100 answers.

    if you ask 100 people in the 3rd world if they want to come here, you will get 1.

    the pressure gradient is assured; it is just a matter of time.

  18. jsp
    Alien

    @Chewy

    > Tell us exactly what Marxist policies exist in British politics.

    Anything he doesn't like. From any party.

    It is all part of that big international Marxist-Leninist-Jewish-Islamic-Catholic-Euro-Illuminati-UFO-Lizard conspiracy organized by the BBC. Didn't you know that? They plan to take over the world so they can have sex with his sister and make him clean their toilet.

    Luckily, the BNP is going to save us all. Either them or the Scientologists.

  19. fajensen Silver badge

    Tish-Tosh

    """

    We need immigrants because far too many people in this country are too self-important / bone idol to carry out necessary but unglamorous jobs.

    """

    Translate Into: Employers need immigrants to keep wages below niggardly! (Pathetic wages give the right kind of inflation figures too, BTW).

    """

    It may have escaped your attention that over the centuries Britain has regularly taken in foreigners who've integrated into our society to such an extent that we've probably got the most multi-cultural society outside the US, and this society works as long as knuckle draggers like yourselves butt out

    """

    That So?, Well: The last time in History where the UK were running the present immigration rate was when you lot got invaded by the Normans!

    The present course will mean Bye, Bye to Britains present culture and language in maybe 50 years or so! With luck most of Europe will still be around, wondering and writing books about the people that hated themselves so much that they went and taxed themselves to fund their own colonization and eventual replacement.

  20. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

    Re: Tish-Tosh

    Before anyone starts - no, that's not an ironic instance of a bad word in that comment. Not according to this anyway.

    http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-nig1.htm

  21. fajensen Silver badge

    Democracies are not multi-cultural!

    <i>I can think of plenty of examples of other countries with very diverse populations that coexist pretty well.</i>

    Well, make a better, longer, list then.

    Face it: The only places where cultural-diversity "works" in the wild are either in pure dictatorships or places, like Singapore the USA and soon the UK, that are extremely heavily policed and willing to keep a large percentage of the population in custody.

    The amount of people imprisoned for life and the murder rate in the USA represent to me a low-level tribal warfare that I certainly do not want in my country (Denmark) nor in Europe.

    I prefer borders, the knowledge that the rules are different southwards rather than having to dodge bullets in Nørrebro, Copenhagen where muslim street gangs are trying to create their own little failed islamic state.

    http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-by-country/europe/denmark?ta=safetySecurity&pg=2

    """

    In Nørrebro in particular there have been a number of recent instances of violence between Hells Angels and minority groups including shootings. Whilst these are mainly gang related and localised you should exercise extra caution in these areas.

    """

  22. Wize

    Well

    I've never believed a word that bunch spouted before. Why should I start now.

  23. John Angelico
    Joke

    @Natalie Socrates

    Hmm, I thought Microsoft Denial of Service was something that *emanated* from Castle Redmond, Washington State, US of A.

    Are you saying that it was *perpetrated* upon same??

    <Shock, Horror!! > How would one detect the difference in direction of traffic flow?

    :-)

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Alien

    Seriously, ease up with the Hertiage history

    We moving so far back in history with this heritage thing now you might as well just say....

    It began in Africa-ca-ca-ca [cue music]

    Mine's the one with the MP3 player in the pocket which was designed and built in asia, the jacket was designed and built by some poor kid who hopefully is allowed a toilet break in his/her 8hr shift, anyway it'sover there on that hook which was probably built in europe somewhere. My point being there is no such thing as purity, accept it and move on.

    Culture divergence is an essential key to evolution.

  25. heystoopid
    Joke

    So what we have here is

    So what we have here is a failure to communicate the real truth , what a corrupt bunch of "Black Shirkers' that would have Sir Oswald Mosley laughing in his grave at their apathetic antics .

    Yes sir , a true failure to communicate , useless silly pommy halfwits and expelled schoolyard bullies with an IQ to low to even join the London MET Police Force as a flat foot beat cop .

  26. Ian
    Stop

    If we're actually discussing history

    Then you also need to discuss the Brigantes and the Welsh, none of whom were one people, because they were all tribes who occasionally worked together or fought each other - and the Picts, the Irish, the Scots, the Jutes, the Normans, the Angles, the Saxons, the Danes... We'll take on all-comers (then lose).

    "Anglo Saxon" comes from the "Angles" (a Germanic tribe) and the "Saxons" (a Germanic tribe). The Normans came from Germany. The Danes were a mixture of Norse and Germanic tribes.

    Time to get over the Little Englander stance, I'm afraid. There's no such thing and probably never was.

    The thing that scares me the most, however, is that in all the election junk I've received through my door in the last week, the only one that actually had policies rather than diatribe was the BNP's.

  27. mike2R
    Stop

    Re: fajensen

    You are falling for the central BNP lie (or are perpetrating it yourself).

    Yes there are obvious problems with immigration.

    Yes a lot of people agree with the more extreme things you have said (although I personally don't).

    Yes the BNP's public platform is not all _that_ extreme, and you probably really could find millions who would agree with most of it.

    But the BNP are not what they say they are. They aren't an "anti-immigration party", they are a neo-nazi party that currently sees an opportunity on the immigration issue.

    If you vote for them you simply become one of their useful idiots, who help them towards their real goals (Google "Third Reich" for examples of the sort of state they aim for).

    The BNP are, quite simply, scum.

  28. Danny Silver badge

    @Ian - Little England

    Impressive history until you used the phrase 'little Englander'. That was a slur used by imperialists against people who opposed slaughtering Johnny Foriegners.

    Anyone who doubts the BNP are nazis should have a look at the emails on their membership list, including Totenkopf88. In my town they get most of their funding from drug-dealing and violent extortion.

  29. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    BNP

    Their IP address has now changed to 208.43.138.219

  30. Ian

    @Danny

    By "Little Englander" I was referring to the type of selective-memory person who believes that two little islands off the coast of Europe are somehow superior to every other person and country on the planet. If you feel I used the wrong term, please insert a more appropriate one of your choice.

    I wouldn't credit the BNP with anywhere near the number of braincells required to be in the same league as the 1930s/40s National Socialists. They're wannabes. Opportunist thugs who want to be in power at any cost so they can beat up who they want, any time they want, and they should be treated as such - with disdain. They should and cannot, however, be ignored or banned. Just made to look like the idiots and thugs that they are.

    Evidently their grasp of technology and history are equally inept. The UK, not just Great Britain, is an entire nation of people descended from all over Europe who have fought, settled and bred with everyone else from around Europe and beyond. It is perfectly true from my experience, however, that many people really do think that the jobs currently being done by immigrants are "below" them and have a sense of entitlement to money without working to get it. That's not a problem with immigration, that's a problem with people being bone idle and expecting everything for nothing. It's also a problem with industry seeing the opportunity for a quick buck by employing someone cheaper than their current (presumably but not necessarily indigenous) staff.

    My point above about the BNP leaflet being the only one with policies is that it's the imbecilic morons we've allowed into power in this country that are giving even bigger imbecilic morons like the BNP the room they need to expand. If the rest of them would stop sniping at each other and start actually running the country rather than running hate campaigns against the other parties, people like the BNP wouldn't have a platform to stand on.

  31. John Stirling

    bnp, public vs private

    Serious question, my prejudice is that the BNP are a third reich recreating bunch of toss bags.

    But it is a prejudice.

    Much as theirs is that I am a marxist, foreigner loving part of some conspiracy to reduce their future prospects.

    Mostly wrong*.

    But I don't actually know much about them.

    Yes, they have dodgy email addresses indicating nazi sympathies, but quite a lot of young stupid people don't actually know anything about the nazis other than that they wore cool uniforms, and are generally the baddies, so that sort of hero worship whilst indicative of low educational attainment isn't actually evidence of evil intent.

    Yes, some are nasty racists - well news flash, so are some people who aren't BNP. Racism is simply a specific form of xenophobia, from which we all suffer as a natural phobia that decent parenting, education, and exposure can overcome.

    I keep hearing that their secret plan is to reinstitute a genuine third reich, but is it, or are they just a not very nice bunch of thuggish nationalists who are emotionally and intellectually insecure (I feel on safe ground saying that given their public pronouncements).

    Hyperbole is hyperbole regardless of whether it's 'them' or 'us' using it.

    *Yes, mostly wrong, I am in fact a foreigner lover - as often as possible. Although only the pretty ones.

    Anyway, any takers with true knowledge?

  32. Pete James

    Interesting reading

    It's quite interesting to read the stuff written here. Partly to see the polar opposite opinions of people, both sides bunkered down as they verbally cannon each other, and partly to discover, amongst rhetoric some fairly useful stats. but it would be a good idea to put a little stop to the commonly held view that a British race doesn't exist as actually it did and continues to do so.

    It's a theory undoes itself very easily when you stop and think for a moment about where the tribes and culures themselves that created a British race came from, and think where those came from, and so on until you eventually come to some scrubland in Africa. It means that eventually you do arrive at a racial purity, probably not the type the BNP and others would be happy to acknowledge of course, but I digress. The point is that to say that one type of person is a misnomer (ie British), but that others are credible (ie Anglo-Saxon, Celts, Picts etc) is wrong.

    Anyway, back to the present. The majority of people who wish to live in the UK do so for economic reasons, which has gone on since the dawn of humanity. We migrate to where living is easier and food more plentiful. So to blame anyone for coming to this country is as unpleasant as the false accusations to them of being feckless law breakers and parasites on our public services. Yet we continue to do little to help these people through measurable economic aid beyond throwing some sacks of maze out the back of a Hercules. Sadly, until someone wakes up and changes the way in which we help other nations then people will go on living in conditions no-one should have to tolerate, and want to move to where they can have a better life.

  33. fajensen Silver badge

    It's a trend!

    @mike2R """The BNP are, quite simply, scum"""

    Certainly, they are. However:

    The problem for democracy is that our leaders do not care what we vote: They are all on exactly the same agenda, that of managing up, being seen with the right people, brown-nosing ones way to higher places in the EU commission, the UN, the world bank perhaps - where the skimming is better and the press coverage non-existent.

    To do that they need the proper credentials, first and foremost: They must be seen to support and promote multiculturalism in all ways, that means (because even that is a lie) giving preferential treatment to "The Religion of Peace(tm)".

    So, sadly, the only way get at them is to vote for some nasty right-wing-scum populist party, because THAT will give a red mark in their resume and THAT is what will make them sit up and listen for a while!

    The risk is of course that should a totalitarian party actually get a majority --- whoops --- How Convenient it will be for them that all the STASI -bugging and -policing is already operational courtesy of the so-called responsible politicians. But then, we can always Move - Now or Later, it does not matter so much; at least we tried not to.

  34. Rob Crawford

    @Ian

    Unfortunately in the BNP it's not two islands off the coast of mainland Europe, unless one of those islands happens to be Canvey Island.

    anybody from this side of the Irish Sea is unwelcome, unless a member of Combat 18.

    Still angry for that Met officer telling me that being beaten up was my own fault because of my accent.

  35. Anthony
    Joke

    @fajensen

    > The present course will mean Bye, Bye to Britains present culture and language ...

    The english language, binge drinking and football are all dying out ... ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

    Joke Alert, because well, with the BNP you can't do anything but imagine that they're trying to be ironic. But alas, they are not ... :-(

  36. Dylan Fahey

    If they had...

    If they had a decent systems administrator, you wouldn't even be reading about this story. There are defenses against this sort of thing, and it doesn't cost a penny, except in paying your 'decent systems administrator'. More hardware does not a fix make.

  37. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: Freedom of political speech

    "Freedom of speech is an absolute".

    No it isn't. We enjoy a large degree of speech that is free from political interference. But you're most definitely not free to say whatever you want. If you want to debate that ... well I'll be happy to stand outside your house swearing at your kids all night long. I've some choice words for your mother too. I'm sure neither of you will seek legal recourse.

    If the government had decided to DDOS the BNP, I think the reaction here would be slightly different.

  38. M Gale
    Flame

    Fascism != Nazism, FYI

    An article on the BNP attracting so many comments? Who'da thunkit?

    Anyway, to quote, "The British Nazis are Labour, no other political party has done so much to bring a Fascist regime into play as them, so many freedoms stomped upon by the Labour boot of oppression."

    I think someone has confused nazism with fascism. The BNP are more like nazis. "New" Labour (and the tories) are more like fascists (if you let them get that bad). Fascism is more like Starship Troopers than Stormtroopers, though there may be some overlap since they are both somewhat authoritarian ideals. Fascism is "unity" (whether you like it or not), and basically involves business owning government (hence the term 'corporate fascism'). Nazism is similiar, but underpinning it is the notion that "race is nation". It is also a primarily _socialist_ ideology, so more like government owning business than vice versa. So nazism is inherently racist, whereas fascism is not necessarily so. However either ideology is not desirable in government if you wish to live in a country that values individual freedom.

    In either case, the BNP has ties to Combat 18. A bit like Sinn Fein has ties to the IRA. Going to tell me they aren't neo-nazis now?

    Yeah. Flame warning for this entire comment tree methinks.

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