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The price of cocaine has dropped so dramatically in the last ten years that a line of Bolivian marching powder is now cheaper than a pint of lager or a glass of wine, the Telegraph reports. The Home Office - using data collected by police forces and the Serious Organised Crime Agency - reckons that while in 1998 a gram of …

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Happy

Clear proof

It's clear proof they're taxing alcohol too highly. Reduce the cost of alcohol before we all get addicted to cocaine during the credit crunch!

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Paris Hilton

Remind me

Never to go out with Lester. 10-20 lines out of a gram? You stingy git.

Paris because she knows the only way to do it is with a nice fat one.

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So, for £20 per gram

What do you actually get? I mean it's not all going to be coke- what's the purity of it on average at the various price points? And has the cost per gram - compensated for any drop in quality- actually fallen?

Compared with lager that's single-figure-percentages, it could still look promising...

How about a damage-to-body-from-active-ingredients chart?

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So NOW we see why it's not legal

Not enough profit for whoever gets put in charge...

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jumpimng to concluusions a bit quickly

"These startling figures show the reality of drug use in Britain"

or, just possibly, that alcohol is horrifically overpriced.

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Boffin

"Carpet fresh now cheaper than lager"

Fixed that for you.

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Stop

have a look on ebay

for this item no:

270341270300

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Coat

Obvious really.

When down the boozer, you have to go outside into the cold and peeing rain for a drag these days, but you can snort a couple of lines while comfortably seated in the warm and dry.

Mine's the one with the, er, small bag of icing sugar in the pocket.

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£2.75 a pint?!

Off to the Wetherspoons with you!

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Happy

You're all missing the real issue here...

Where can I find someone to sort me aaaht?

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Happy

20 lines per gram?!

Who divvied that up, a Scotsman?

There are some faux-barnet clad songstresses who'd be lucky to get 20 lines per kilo!

Happy icon because it looks like a smilie.

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What maroons!

Figure in the cost of interdiction efforts, usage enforcement, court costs, prison costs, lost productivity, and I'm sure a host of other costs.

Now, figure what eliminating all that and adding a nice tax for the sale of legal drugs, profits to liquor/drug stores, less costs for substance abuse clinics and staff and retraining all the prison and other enforcement officials that are now looking for new positions.

The results? You figure it out, but a substantial bit of our national deficit is likely to go away, and we stop subsidizing the most vile criminals in the world with tax-free loot.

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Look at it another way...

If cocaine and heroin are coming down in price, then so also should crimes such as muggings and burglaries. Junkies wont need as much money to feed their habit, therefore crime goes down.

Of course this crime reduction is spoilt by the contrasting increase in the price of beer.

Don't be surprised if you see this description in an appeal to find a mugger next time you see CrimeWatch -

'Middle-aged man, 5'8", large belly, greying hair and long beard, wearing 'Suffolk Beer Festival 2006' T-shirt and a CAMRA badge.'

Mine's the one with a pocketful of unused beer tokens because they ran out of beer.

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Sarah Bee

This has nothing to do with this article:

Decently commented articles trigger my ADD, as such I tend to scroll only to read comments posted by Sarah Bee. Why? I find her hilarious. Please post more. Thanks!

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Cocaine?!

I hear that the old 'trumpet' is now so cheap that the more 'switch on' members of the Welsh Philarmonic have now actually started to use 'hooter' for cleaning the valves on....you guessed it - their trumpets! This has however caused some problems during performances which all stems from what has become affectionately known as 'trumpet blow back', which occurs quite frequently on most brass instruments. Basically musicians, on occassion suck instead of blow, which deposits (over the course of a performance) a micro thin layer of 'jazz dust' on the mucous membrane of the victim, causing problems with timing, sweating and irritability. Recently during a performance of 'Dylan Thomas - man, legend, crap poet' perfomed in the Llandewi Brefi Village Hall, a fight broke out between the lead cornet player and the second baritone, when, due to the impact of 'gac inhalation' the cornet player started playing that famous U-Roy classic 'Me Woman aint got no rizlas' in the middle of the national anthem.

Has anybody else got some 'chortle - worthy' anecdotes?

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How Much???

I wish someone would tell my man it is now £20 a G.

When I get home i'm gonna rack up a couple of London to Edinburgh size

lines and talk bollox for 2 hours. Hmm lovely.

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Unhappy

Yeah but

Cocaine is *not* cheaper than beer!

A nasty mix of amphetamine, bicarbonate of soda and ground-up aspirin, however, may well be cheaper than beer. As the penalty for dealing substandard drugs is no harsher than the penalty for dealing high-quality drugs, there is a direct incentive *against* selling quality product.

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Boffin

Dose response curves matter

@Mark

Alcohol is both a stimulant and a depressant, which depends on which part of the dose-response curve you are looking at. In short 1pint or so is a stimulant, more than two points is a depressant.

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It is so obvious we are not in a democracy

Most people would just legalise everything, bar straight poison.

And all the dictators at the top don't want to do what the people want.

WTF, this is a democracy or it isn't, we should have a vote every year, and abide by that.

If not let's just accept that we live in a totalitarian, rolling 4 year dictatorship, and start sorting out the revolution for democracy and freedom.

With the depression kicking in, there won't be much else to do, if you go from democracy at least you get a chance at freedom.

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@Mark - re:Stimulant?

Very true, however you failed to point out that he also incorrectly implied Heroin is a stimulant. Honestly Mark, wikipedia is *right there*, and depending on whether or not the Tories are trying to cover up getting their facts wrong it's sometimes correct as well.

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in the US

they have been cutting with aspirin, some times meth.

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It's not only cheap, it's easier to find here

In my town known as the Olympic Capital (Lausanne, IOC general headquarters here, what a maffia, but that's an other subject...), I can find cocaine any hour of the day. And they won't check my age.

While in shops, you can't buy alcohol any hour of the day, and they will check your age.

And here, it's been down to 100 CHF a gram since a good 2 years, that's rightly approx 40 £...

As to the comment, here too they are seizing less, but there's more on the streets : the immediate conclusions are that :

-since Schengen, less controls at the borders

-police are less to be working on that subject (it costs but doesn't pay, politics prefer to ask policemen to go put parking tickets...)

-importers have made progress not to be caught

2 days ago newspapers title : a net of 35 small dealers arrested in Lausanne. All of them immediately replaced on the streets, no worry. And all of them arrested for 3-4 days then free again since they are all without passports from countries that don't recognize them and didn't do re-admission contracts with our government... (Nigerians for 95% of them)

And now, it's harder to find weeds in the streets, since they closed the shops you could buy it from a couple of years ago... So more black market, more fights, more troubles, etc...

Happy world we live in, but god do our politicians make all they can to annoy us...

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Well....

As pointed out already, you'd be lucky to get 4 or 5 lines from a gram, especially if it wasn't strong stuff. You'd think coppers of all people would know how far coke goes.

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talk to frank

could be that the government have done a stunning job in lowering demand so with a steady supply the bottom has dropped out of the market

depends how you spin it

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Strange, nobody's pointed out ...

... that folk who indulge in either have no taste.

I mean, really. Cocaine or lager? I'll pass, thanks. I'm too old for drugs, and we have real beer here in California, thankyouverymuch.

Mine's the one with the Arrogant Bastard in the left pocket, the Maximus IPA in the right pocket, and the Bigfoot Ale in the inner pocket.

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Trust me...

Firstly, you can't get 10-20 lines out of a gram of cocaine. Maybe 4 nice ones, and although you can find it at £35 the better stuff is always sold at £40.

The effects of cocaine, contrary to what an earlier poster believes, do not last "a few minutes". You tend to have a rush for a good 2-3 hours or so, but if you take when you go out you'll inadvertently spend just as much money on drinks as you normally would so all round it's not like it's cheap.

Cocaine isn't cheap - I know people who go through 3 grammes on a big night, you'd have a hard time spending £120 on booze in one go like that, and if you did, hey, you probably wouldn't remember it anyway ;-)

Cocaine isn't as evil as people seem to think it is either, as with every addictive substance, as long as you are responsible and know your limits it's fine, and unlike alcohol I have never experienced a significant hang over from it.

Plus it doesn't stop your meaty bits from working. But it's still expensive.

Mine's the one with the Colombian passport in the inside pocket ;-)

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@ AC

10-20 lines? Depends. Coppers can get *very good* coke....

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Invisible hands, holding a mirror

It's market forces innit?

Stockbrokers have fallen on hard times, their suppliers have to drop their prices accordingly.

Equally, I bet lapdances have gotten cheaper as well.

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Crazy times!

We need some kind of Google Maps mashup to help us locate this cheap coke.

And possibly some kind of thread on moneysavingexpert.com

And while we're at it, do any dealers offer Quidco/cashback?

And, if the Police want to boost their 'we captured X tons' stats, why don't they take a (cocoa) leaf out of the dealers books and cut it with glucose? You've doubled your (apparent) work with little/no extra input!

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Old news

Columbian marching powder has been cheaper, for a line, than a pint for a number of years now. However, it's only around a 12 minute high from a single line, so the effects are less long-lasting than a pint.

And yes, doing coke off a girls pert arse is great fun.

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Happy

poitiacian enact big stimulation package

could it be all the politicians are passing on their parliamentary bulk discount?

Now that is a real stimulation package, work's in Australia Just like at Captain Bligh and prime Minister Krudd. Must be good stuff like most politicians they are highly on the straw line nose...

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Happy

Legalise it, control quality, tax it, end of story.

If gubmint really and truly cared about the health and welfare of its citizenry, it would not illegalize marijuana (harmless) while allowing alcohol and cigarettes (documented health risks) or the sometimes dodgy legal pharmaceuticals being prescribed left, right, and center for whatever new "ailment du jour" the pharmaceutical industry can cook up ("oppositional defiant syndrome"? please). Legalise it, control the supply and quality (this would reduce the number of folks found with needles in their arms and rat poison in their veins, yes?), tax it as one does beer and cigs, and sell it wherever regulated substances (pharmaceuticals, liquor, tobacco) are sold. Solves the criminal element problem, reduces the power of criminal gangs/cartels overnight (until they find something else to traffic), reduces public health problems (overdoses, secondary level harms from being victims of drug- related crime), and creates funding for rehab, addiction prevention ("safe use"), and other services that are needed now (despite, or rather, because of, the "war on drugs") but hugely underfunded.

Two problems: (1) The alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical industries have become too damn comfortable with being a leisure- substance monopoly and will spend their last dimes buying enough Congresscritters to keep real reform from happening (I assume similar will happen across the pond). This must stop. Bringing the ATP troika into the equation as part of the supply chain (grow MJ alongside tobacco, maybe?) and ensuring that currently- illegal drugs will be taxed similarly (so there is no cost incentive for customers to dump beer and take up cocaine) might work. (2) Too many law enforcement agencies have become addicted to the stream of "war on drugs" funding for their whiz-bang robocop gadgets, and too many prison builders like the idea of building more jails into which people charged with drug crimes can be thrown (did CCA's stock spike when California passed its "three strikes" law?). This too must stop. Redirecting policepower away from drugs and related problems should free up some boys and girls in blue to work on community building and crime prevention (which saves us all money in the long run).

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Funnny Economics

We're continually being bombarded with stuff about the "laws of supply and demand" but apparently cocaine doesn't follow those laws because if it did then it would be getting cheaper because there's just not enough people consuming the stuff. Too much supply and not enough demand.

But then if drug use dropped think of all the people who would find themselves redundant. Its a microcosm of the "Global War on Terror" -- you have to have these shadowy threats because there's all these people who depend on protecting us from them for their livelihood.

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Anonymous Coward

International Units.

In nearly 25 years of touring as a roadie (until about 1995) cocaine was nearly always about £60. So much so that we used it to settle debts, exchange money etc a wrap of coke was worth an 'International Unit'.

I don't ever remember an 'average price of £74', anymore than £60 was a generally a rip off, that said, good quality stuff was always more expensive. As for £40 a gram, you can pay that in any area where there a lots of students and the quality is shit -talcum powder or baby laxative.

I'm surprised Keith Vaz hasn't stepped up to the plate, anything to get his mug on TV and voice some idiotic opinion.

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Happy

Yup.

" suggest Wacky Jacqui creates a database immediately to count all incoming cocaine shipments so they can be tracked and intercepted whever PC Plod needs to be seen to be doing something. Tag the stuff with rfids and force the drug mules to carry ID cards. That should sort it."

Just make sure there are no apostrophes involved.

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coke is the real thing

I bet this really gets up Gordons nose

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Pirate

Drugwars

The Marrakesh express has arrived. Price of Hashish is down to $4.

<sorry if i misquote the game here>

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Flame

what?!?!

10-20 lines out of a gram?!?! who is your dealer....

Seriously, if journalists only did drugs they could actually write about them with some credibility. Nose ajax? what says that?

Why is the writer trying sensationalise the article by using slang?

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Yeah right!

First off, a £20 gram, will be about 10% coke, 90% mescalin or teething powder. until this country can produce it's own cocain (never) or get rid those terribly annoying import restrictions, i wouldn't touch a £20 gram with yours! (nose that is).

It will also not be a gram, it will .7 or more likely .6

Secondly, if you were to take 20 lines out of 1gram of powder, you're telling me that the lines will be 0.05 of a gram!!!! WTF WTF WWWTTTTFFFFF who the hell does these pissing studies? MY GOD YOU TWATS, join the real world!

try this, it's generally universaly standard, your 'gram' will be 30 - 45% pure, it will weigh between .7 - .9, you will NEVER get a full one, just think about why that is from the dealers perspective. You will get 5 to 6 lines out of it, and it will cost you £40.

I don't understand who these idots speak to when they are dong these incredulous studies, it's insulting, even more so because the mail crowd will be all up in arms again...

A few years ago, they would stil be .9, but they would be 70% pure and would cost you £50, so if anything, it has got more expensive.

Can someone give me a research grant for, er, further studies please :D

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