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Google has murdered the AdSense account run by one of the web's most influential anti-Scientology sites. Yesterday, the search giant cut off all ads served to Enturbulation, a fledgling site dedicated to promoting activism against the Church of Scientology and all its related organizations. This could have something do with …

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@A scientologist shill has posted in response to this article.

That would be you then, With one post you tar everyone that posted before you. Very economical use of resources, just as you would expect from the Xanu pushers.

Mine's the one with the DC-8 flight manual in the pocket.

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Boffin

Scientology is not a religion everwhere

Try Germany for example. And it's status in the UK is shaky, to say the least. Most religions are registered as a charity to save money, but not Scientology. Doesn't meet the fundamental criteria.

Not a mask, just dark glasses. Welders wear masks, so just arrest all of them, they must be criminals. And actors wear makeup to hide their true faces, so they should be arrested as well (especially Tom Cruise for some really bad films, and John Travolta for Battlefield Earth).

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Anonymous Coward

Steve B

"...L Ron was a very good science fiction writer, so was Frank Herbert ..."

To even mention Herbert in the same sentence... [shudder].

Hubbard's wrist-breakers have no merit as any form of literature. At least Herbert could write and build a universe that hung together. Frankly, the B-G would be a better Church than Co$. They at least teach you wicked-cool martial arts and Voice...

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@Peter Smith

I noticed that criminals breathe, maybe you'd better stop.

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Linux

Sergy and Brin are Scamming Democracy

Google is EVIL and this proves it. What a couple of weak kneed quacks. bowing down to these charlatins. Say hellow to the boot in your face for the rest of eternity.

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Happy

@peter ford

I'm a Buddhist. You obviously know nothing about us - stop talking out of your arse you ignoramus. To put all of the major world religions in with this bunch of dangerous rich numpties just shows how little you know. Stop embarrassing yourself.

On another tack, if you want to see something really scary:

http://gawker.com/5002269/the-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientology-tried-to-suppress

Here is the spoof (which isn't as funny):

http://www.cinematical.com/2008/01/23/jerry-oconnell-spoofs-tom-cruise/

Originally mentioned by dear Mitch Ben on his blog.

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Happy

Anyone... ?

Got a link to a site that is showing Co$ adverts, that I can accidentally click a few thousand times?

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Anonymous Coward

>not a religion / Governments sticking their nose in.

Who needs to go to the German government to get permission to believe something?

This is bizarre, if I want to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Praise be, may his noodly appendages fondle us all) I don't need the German or any other governments official sanction.

Dunno how the Germans can put up with that level of government interference in their lives.

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I pray for Scientology to die...

Such evil evil people should not be allowed in such positions of power... Oh hang on we still have Bush... But yes people not supposedly running the country.

I'd be willing to be Google has:

a. Scientologists high up (not running the company though just in positions of power)

b. Their main tactic for dealing with critics is the use of lawyers, and with massive pockets to dig into, they've managed to strongarm many a large corporation and almost all of the smaller parties who speak out the truth against them.

To me it's inhumane that they can get away with the crimes they are.

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surely

if you join scientology, then fair play. If you were stupid enough not to check them out properly then you deserve everything you get. If you check them out before, and still join, well good luck. It's like those guys 'tombstoning' at the weekend. F*ck 'em, its basically Darwinism*. You get every thing you deserve. If you want to get pissed and jump of a cliff in to a couple of feet of water and you break your neck, deal with it.

*Which ironically, is probably not what the Co$ stands for.

(OoI, what is the Co$' stance on evolution?)

(also is the above apostrophe appropriate for pluralising a dollar sign that is replacing an S?)

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Stop

Google face saving exercise

This has nothing to do with a COS conspiracy, its all about Google trying to hide the failings of the adsence system that is being dragged into a very hot debate.

They are not anti Anonymous they are anti bad PR when its shown that their adwords can turn up on one of your competitors sites.

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@Steve Barnett

Fremasonry - a society with secrets, whose leaders public figures (http://www.ugle.org.uk/ugle/whos-who.htm).

Freemasonry - a society intended to help its own members, but only if that's morally correct and within the laws of the land.

Freemasonry - a society which donates hundreds of thousands to charity (second only in value after the National Lottery).

Fremasonry - a society that assures people, it is not a religion. The only religious membership requirment being a belief in a supreme being.

Scientology -Hmmm...

Bit of a crap comparison really. Idiot

As for the article, Google appear to be going the way of all corporations who all worship at the altar of the mighty greenback. Unlikely to care if it's hypocritical, as long as it's the path of most money.

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WHY!?!?!?!

I don't understand why google would do this, in Adwords there is a feature under the "tools" section of any adwords campaign, the tool is called "Site and Category Exclusion" where you can "Refine your Google Network targeting by preventing individual websites or categories of web pages from showing your ads."

So why didn't scientology simply specify this website as a site not to show ads on, or more importantly why didn't Google advise the church of scientology to do this.

Can the register please look into this.

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@Peter Smith

That's a bit of rationalization on the part of Hubbard.

Actual story is at a science fiction convention a long time ago, he and Heinlein were getting drunk at the bar and they made a bet about who could write a book that would start a religion that would gather more adherents. Hubbard wrote his gawd awful long opus and Heinlein wrote "Time Enough For Love." After the fact, Hubbard realized what a great money making scam his stuff was so he pushed harder. I've tried to enjoy Heinlein's stuff and just never quite managed, but at least he had integrity and stuck with the craft.

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Alien

Time to bring out your WristStrong bracelets

We need Colbert!

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@Tom - Heinlein

I recommend "Starship Troopers". Not only is it a great read (and not much like the movie at all), it gives an interesting insight into the man via the motivations of the characters.

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>not a religion / Governments sticking their nose in. By JonB

Of course I have no facts or research to back this up - I'm relying on a bit of the so called common sense here to make this up:

I don't think it's a question of the German Government granting or denying permission to believe but more a question of denying the rights and privileges of a religion (probably on the whole tax breaks and stuff).

No more unfounded speculation now, just a bit of good old fashioned opinion.

Whether religions should be treated differently to any other type club is another matter entirely. Not that I'd be barred from the Freemasons for lack of belief in an overall cosmic force that is (I'm sure there's plenty of other reasons though) I'm just not sure religions can ever deliver the promise they make.

If we're talking about the original and underlying similarities between the big religions that's another matter - wonderful stuff at the core and hard to argue with in many respects. It's the men who've been in charge over the years who've pissed it all up and spoiled it.

If you want a good read then "The Great Transformation" by Karen Armstrong would do you well. I just wish a few fundamental Jews, Christians and Muslims would read it so they could learn what their fundamentals actually are!

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Anonymous Coward

Google shaping reality.

That google is agressively helping to shape reality and censor the internet in favor of a tremendously destructive cult reveals that we must all think of a way out of the google trap. Google has proven they are evil, and cannot be our informational gatekeepers, unless we want to wind up in a 1984 world.

First China, now the USA. Google hates people, and loves large countries and corporations who give them money. Nothing new, they just carry things to an insane extreme. The "Don't be evil" mantra has become a joke. I, for one, have switched my prime search engine. I also refuse to click any adsense adds, ever.

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@ Dave Ashton (re: surely)

"(OoI, what is the Co$' stance on evolution?)

(also is the above apostrophe appropriate for pluralising a dollar sign that is replacing an S?)"

You don't use an apostrophe for pluralising, you use it for the possesive.

The rule is thus:

Singular possessives:

add apostrophe-s. (Even if the singular word ends in s.)

Julian -> Julian's ego.

Julian Fellowes -> Julian Fellowes's ego.

(Julian Fellowes went off on one about this on his atrocious little grammar panel quiz.)

Plural possessive:

regular plurals ending in S: add apostrophe.

Irregular plurals not ending in S: add apostrophe-s.

two dogs -> two dogs' bones

people -> people's homes

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(Written by Reg staff)

pedant lesson

Why do I feel like having a cigarette after reading that?

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Anonymous Coward

>not a religion / Governments sticking their nose in.

>more a question of denying the rights and privileges of a

>religion (probably on the whole tax breaks and stuff).

Appears to be correct, there are protections for religions in Germany to prevent religious discrimination and such like - due to the history obviously.

This however opens up the same problem what if a new government got in there and decided that Judaism wasn't a religion? Which is presumably the purpose of the anti-discrimination law in the first place.

As it stands it's already resulted in scientologists being discriminated against on the grounds of their beliefs (Tom Cruise had issues during the filming of Valkyrie) and ridiculed on the basis that "it's not a religion".

Certainly the big religions are all rooted in the same Judaic tradition, religions falling outside that area can quickly fall foul of religious laws. The UK's "is-it-a-religious-charity" test includes the requirement that there be a god figure. Many religions including mainstream ones like types of Bhuddism would fall foul of this.

I think it's probably best for governments to keep out of this stuff.

Certainly the idea that a government tells you whether ones beliefs constitute a religion or not is abhorrent.

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"...scientologists being discriminated against on the grounds of their beliefs..."

In the same way that confidence tricksters are discriminated against on the grounds that their belief that stupid people owe them a living?

Religions at least have a veneer of doing "Good Works" and responisibility to and engagement with Society. Scientology is an intrinsically selfish "belief system" (both on an indivdual basis since it concentrates almost solely on self-improvement and on an organisational scale since all its members works are for the Church alone) and contributes nothing to society, even extracting worth from society in the form of the people they isolate.

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>not a religion / Governments sticking their nose in. / May or may not be good

@JonB:

One can see on the real life examples that the Govt. involvement can bring either positive or negative results. Consider extremes on both sides:

US where Govt. keeps out of it almost completely: idiotic cults (including COS) pop up and flourish, many ending in tragedies and/or mass murder/suicide (US based cult has the lead in the grim death record).

Russia where Govt. tied itself strongly to one religion (I am keeping here to the semi-Western style democracy and not going to religious states around the world, where this discussion does not apply anyway): Cults are suppressed but so are the genuine religious movements that pose no threat.

I personally see the German model as middle-of-the-road, best though not perfect solution. If laws are still similar to what I remember, tests COS would fail there are forcible linking of the status in the church with the moneys given and lack of openness of the church teachings to the outside world. Clear markings of the cult.

In some ideal world Govt. wouldn't need to be involved but considering that most democratic govt's give churches some special status, some minimal responsibility needs to be maintained as well.

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Hang on

Couldn't this be something to do with the major hackage of Bulletin boards? Long story short, a board I use was over-run. All users, mods and admins had their permissions reset to prevent them posting. All posts were replaced by some vomit inducing pictures - and links to Enturbulation.

Word is, that was not an isolated incident. Apparently there were quite a few places had the same problem. That would have produced a huge number of complaints about Enturbulation.

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Joke

The sleeper has awakened!

I must drink beer.

Beer is the mind-killer.

Beer is the little death that brings total obliteration.

I will face my beer.

I wil permit it to pass over me and through me.

And when it is has gone past I wil turn the inner eye to see it's path.

When the beer has gone there will be nothing.

Only I will remain.

As your new Kwisatz Haderach, I will cease melange shipments to the Co$. ;)

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No anti-anything?

So, I guess the Greens and Libertarians are successfully screwed one more way now. We USians can't be against the Democrats and Republicans screwing the people and defecating on the Constitution of the US and get AdWords revenue to pay for our sites and our political movements? What's next, no bitching about the news media covering Paris and Britney instead of the news, or your ads get cut?

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to be or not to be: religion

"Certainly the idea that a government tells you whether ones beliefs constitute a religion or not is abhorrent."

Well the main problem here is that being a religion has certain benefits not available to ordinary organisations. Why in this case coouldn't anyone make up thier own religion and then claim a tax free status based on that. Or do we have a panel of "other" religions deciding which belief system can be classed as religion, I am sure that would go down well!

There has to be a definition or list of acceptible religion for governments to operate with, either that or remove all the benefits of being a religion and make them just an ordinary organisation subject to ordinary taxes and rules.

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@AC & dusan maletic

>Religions at least have a veneer of doing "Good Works" and responisibility

>to and engagement with Society.

Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't, I don't think this is a defining characteristic of a religion but of a charity.

The US cult problem should perhaps result in laws that control the illegal activity rather than saying whether or not the activity is a religion.

Perhaps these cults set up in the US because they can, the US is a very free country compared to many places, I doubt Saudi or Iran would tolerate these groups forming. On a lower level there are fewer in France and Spain perhaps because of the homogeneity of belief.

>not going to religious states around the world, where this discussion does not apply anyway

Why doesn't it apply to fully religious states? That's the extreme end of the spectrum, not the Russian one.

Your description of Scientology is of a pyramid scheme rather than a cult, I'm not arguing with that, but there are laws covering that in most countries. Perhaps religious suppression isn't required, rather that the law is enforced.

Cults aren't inherently bad, I know a guy who is a priest in a fundamentalist christian sect, while I don't follow his beliefs (very definitely atheist), he is not a bad person.

BTW "many ending in tragedies" s/many/some/ there's a lot out there you never even hear about.

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governments sticking their nose in?

Well there are more than one thing related to this.

1. The German government does not stick its nose into what you are or what you are not believing. What it does is to have a regulated tax system which is used to classify what constitutes what kind of organisation for tax purposes. This means that some organisations which would like to be recognized as 'churches' do not fulfill the criteria. It does NOT mean that people are 'verboten' to believe what they want. You are perfectly free to believe in pasta monster when in Germany without any problems or 'discrimination' per se.

2. The reason for why the 'church' of Scientology is not allowed to act freely in Germany is because its activities have been classified to be criminogenic after the organisation several times have appeared in german courts. This is not for religious reasons at all but for their organised criminogenic activity. In the same way that organised crime and terrorist organisations are 'discriminated' against in modern society.

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@Caroline

If google has a single brain cell I would hope not.

I could (if I had the tech. ability) hack a board and link to hotmail with tubgirl. Doesn't mean MS had anything to do with it.

Its one of the problems Anonymous has (no centralized leadership and membership), and its probably been exploited by the Co$ a thousand times.

I could also goto a 10's of website that require no registration but allow me to enter a username (el reg does not) and make my username 'Caroline' and spout all manner of hateful things about religions, races etc. Doesn't mean you did it jsut because it was done in your name (disclaimer, i am NOT going to do that).

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Not because of belief

"As it stands it's already resulted in scientologists being discriminated against on the grounds of their beliefs (Tom Cruise had issues during the filming of Valkyrie) and ridiculed on the basis that "it's not a religion"."

Actually this is just not true: he was not discriminated because of his beliefs - he was 'discriminated' because he is a member of a 'criminogenic' organisation which he was promoting. In the UK a member of an organisation which is recognized as a terrorist organisation would risk not just to be 'discriminated' he would (if not shot in the metro) be arrested... In the USA the way they would treat members of organisations which THEY assess as terrorist organisations - they would either arrest a foreigner on the spot (and possibly send them to 'the Bay') or refuse to let them in. All in all it seems that the German officials were amazingly tolerant in the case of T Cruuze and did in fact not discriminate him for his beliefs.

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"Do no evil"

Bullshit... Google is just as bad as the rest of them. It's run by humans. Forget it, Google. You were in the running for indexing sensitive data in a project of mine. No longer.

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Anonymous Coward

>to be or not to be: religion

>There has to be a definition or list of acceptible religion for governments to

>operate with,

Then there are religions like islam without any clear leadership, how Islamic would I have to be to get a tax break for my "mosque" (House)?

>either that or remove all the benefits of being a religion and make them just

>an ordinary organisation subject to ordinary taxes and rules.

Maybe the best option, I'm all for government leaving things alone.

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Alien

Sooo many things wrong with the world

Benevolent Google my ___. "Do no evil." The best lie is a blatent one.

Freemasonry... helps its own members... donates to charity.... requires belief in a (singular) supreme being... uhhh yeah sounds like a religion to me.

It all starts to look like clubs designed to help their own members. Know a guy that's 'in the club' you get that promotion. Darwinism of the religions and clubs. Power breeds power. Siphons it from the weak. You seal my job, but pitty me with charity.... just another power grab.

Also, I hate grammar... But I don't recognize "->" as any word I've ever seen. Maybe you're thinking of "becomes."

mine's the ghillie suit.

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Dead Vulture

Hackage pointing to Enturbulation

What you are seeing here is the effect of too many people thinking that the Internet is Serious Business.

'Anon' comes from a pretty unpleasent part of the internet collectively called the *chans - image boards where posting anonymously is the norm, and people who do use names are generally mocked for it. As you can imagine, this leads to people generally behaving like fucktards.

Some of these people are upset at Enturbulation and other 'moralfags' for 'decreasing the lulz', stealing the concept of Anonymous and taking everything too seriously - as a side effect they too have started to take things too seriously themselves. (It used to be tradition on one (some?) of the *chans to blame internet misdeamenours on a site called ebaumsworld - it looks like in one instance at least, they're using Enturbulation as their scapegoat)

Basically, what you're seeing is the fallout caused by people who think that the internet is Serious Business.

Dead Vulture because that's what happens when people take themselves too seriously. Dead vultures everywhere.

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only posting..

as i haven't since that debate about the asus and elonex ladies, but i thought this an ideal time to return.

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Advocacy against? Interesting loopholes...

Hmm... Microsoft advocates against FOSS and Linux-- guess Google should ban them as well. Methinks this sort of ruling may have some very interesting unintended consequences if applied fairly. I suppose one could create an organization that an existing advertiser could be construed as "against" and then file a complaint. Gillette razor ads are "against" Sikhs, eh? Besides being major idiocy on Google's part, this one has gaping holes in its logic...

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Alternate approach

Google, now having demonstrated some measure of control over where their ads are placed, should be sued both to comply with their own stated standards by removing advertising from any site that expresses an anti-anything message, and to, more broadly, remove their ads from any site that anyone might find potentially offensive.

Google should be sued for any potential mental anguish and/or stress caused by websites upon which their ads appear because they are collaborating in funding the offensive websites until the positioning of their ads and/or the host website has been suitably sanitized.

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Why Anonymous wear masks at protests......

Anonymous wears masks at protest to protect themselves against the criminal actions of the CULT of Scientology. It is their policy to harass everyone who publicly criticizes the Cult. They call it "Fair Game" or "Dead Agent".

"The homes, property, places and abodes of persons who have been active in attempting to: suppress Scientology or scientologists are all beyond any protection of Scientology Ethics, unless absolved by later Ethics or an amnesty ... this Policy Letter extends to suppressive non-Scientology wives and husbands and parents, or other family members or hostile groups or even close friends."

1965, Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.

For a lot fair game reports check out

http://forums.enturbulation.org/98-fair-game-reports/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)

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Whats a good replacement for Google?

Well, I've had Google as my home page for donkeys. Now I intend to boycott them. Has anyone got any suggestions to a replacement? MS? Dogpile? Yahoo?

Also, I'd like to email Google and tell them exactly why I've moved. Anyone got an email that could get through to someone who matters?

Cheers.

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Re : scientology is a religion

You can only be a 'religion' if you believe in one or more 'gods'

Ron can hardly be called a god.... so there is only the gods of money and greed left...

So decide..

Besides : Ron clearly stated : the only way to get really rich is start your own religion...

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Re: Advocacy against? Interesting loopholes...

Google advocates against advocating against stuff.

OH SHI-

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Heart

Back from Steve Barnett

Yes I admit I am an idiot, and I apologies unreservedly for mentioning Frank Herbert and L Ron in the same sentence. Frank, may you ride the deep desert always.

As for you my touchy brother, unlike many others I see no problem with Freemasonary, a "society with secrets" not a cult, and while the Pope isn't so keen, I see you as benign.

But please don;t make out you're all saints. Free masonry has been self-serving the business community for over 500 years. I'm a capitalist, I'm good with that...

Q' Are you jealous that the guys with the power and the money are joining the opposition.

Oh, and at least I have the balls to put my name to something you anonymous ar$e.

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Pirate

Scientology causes cancer

Even if this isn't true, I'm not going to take the chance!

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Tom
Alien

L Ron was a very good science fiction writer

No he was a mediocre science fiction writer. The "story" of Co$ reads like a bad 50 SF move, the only thing missing is a giant spider.

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Paris Hilton

@ Peter Smith posted Thursday 15.05.'08 00:07 GMT

I'm not anonymous: it's simply a gap in your knowledge. A very very big gap. And yes it's between your ears.

Paris 'cos no matter how hard you try, you can't fuck everyone.

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Alien

re Peter Smith

not according to the Germans it isn't - anyone who gives any credibility to any religion is a little strange, to take a mad sci-fi author and claim he founded a religion is very strange indeed.

Personally I'd lock them up in a spaceship and throw away the key.

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Anonymous Coward

@vincent himpe - Number of gods.

>You can only be a 'religion' if you believe in one or more 'gods'

You would also exclude variants of spiritualism where 'spirits' aren't considered gods but the life force of inanimate objects. Variants of Bhuddism where they believe in rebirth and an eternal karma but no actual god figure.

Ancestor worship, unless you actually perceive your ancestors as gods, but then you'd be considering yourself a god?

You're right in that a dictionary definition would exclude those, but in general usage they would be considered religions.

No god for the Jedi either is there? ;)

@Steve Barnett

>I'm a capitalist, I'm good with that...

Are you sure you are? Capitalists normally believe in a free market, you can't have a free market where secret societies are doing deals.

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Pirate

Google no more in my house

Ive just spent 15 mins removing google versions of firefox ect from all my computers and even blocked access at firewall level, shame on google!

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Pirate

@JonB

"Then there are religions like islam without any clear leadership, how Islamic would I have to be to get a tax break for my "mosque" (House)?"

After reading your posts on this subject matter - I cannot help to wonder if you are actively and selectively promoting this kind of misinformation on purpose. You seem to be far too intellectually able to confuse these issues by mistake.

In your statement above you are confusing religion with organisation. It is not the religion which gets the tax break - it is the organisation which is representing a community of believers that gets the tax break. Also each "active" mosque as you put it has an organisation which has recognized (often religious) leaders of the community which it serves.

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