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Windows XP could yet be reprieved from end-of-life, if enough customers demand it, said Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer today. Speaking at a news conference in Belgium Ballmer said: "XP will hit an end-of-life. We have announced one. If customer feedback varies we can always wake up smarter but right now we have a plan for end-of- …

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I quite like Vista

But then it's the Ultimate edition that I'm running. The main problem with Vista is as far as I can see is that it doesn't offer much beyond what XP does, it's seen as just offering eye-candy, and that the Ultimate edition is way too expensive beyond an OEM install.

Anybody who is a web developer will tell you XP is pretty horrible for developing on. Also XP doesn't have the hardware support that Vista does. And finally you don't get Mahjong on XP.

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@Joe M

'To anyone who is going to post the usual "don't know what you guys are all whingeing about - Vista works fine for me": put a sock in it! I spend my life with computers and have done so for decades. Take it from me. Vista is well and truly broke. Without going into anecdotes, I haven't yet seen a single installation which works as advertised, and worse, which hasn't annoyed the sox of its miserable owner'

Feel free to come and inspect my Vista Business x64 box which has worked perfectly since it was first installed 10 months ago. Everything works, no hassle, no incompatibilities and has NEVER crashed. According to my benchmarks it is running around 25% faster than XP64 did on the same system. So no it hasn't annoyed me, no I am not miserable but no I can't yet see enough benefits to migrate all our systems to Vista yet so they are staying as XP.

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Anonymous Coward

Vista or Linux ?

from my point of view it will be as easy to adjust from XP to LINUX as it will be from XP to Vista. With so much being offered in LINUX these days, including (I have heard) more device drivers as in Vista and at a more affordable price I don't expect to be migrating at any time to Vista.

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@ Matthew

http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Windows-XP-SP3-Download-90001.html

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Linux

Just a little 'wine' with that

I noticed a lovely little throwaway comment... thought I'd just re-iterate after doing the linux (ie ubuntu) as an office/internet system installed almost by accident on the arse end of my lappy drive... it was so easy... so dual OS systems do work... leaving the bulk of any "Mr 'Pooter" free and unhindered except for running XP and directX9-0c for games.

Anyone who tries to tell you that computers are for work are completely deluded. 'Pooters are for games, first and foremost... they also make nice video media, good audio media, fairly complex databases, handy typewriters and web browsers.

Shirley Somephuker within the M$ empire knows this fact, but the bulk of them seem to have decided to go with the (I can't be sacked for going with the majority rule option) committee solution - hense no common sense, all profit-orientated, no realistic support, phuk all for 64bit XP and all hail the good ship vista(titanic).

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Alien

The real money

@AManFM, greg

The money is real, as long as someone is willing to accept it. 40 billion for that yodeling company -- will you accept stocks? Sorry, can't accept that 100 $Eur bill for a 'burger, why don't you come back with some pieces of copper?

So the smart man will convert his virtual assets while/when they are valued - every chick will see that the Porsche is real. But then, why not replace that deprecating car with some stock, virtually unlimited growth, fantastic returns, ... IT's a no-brainer.

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downgrade your upgrade

well lets see, if something is better its generally called an upgrade.

xp=better than vista

xp=upgrade.

you are all required to use the correct terminology in that the shift from vista to xp isnt a downgrade, its actually an upgrade!

mines the floppy with fdisk on it.

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remember people

Vista isn't new anymore. It is one and a half years old with it's first service pack. (bless it's little overpriced cotton socks) in that time we have had a smorgess board of linux releases and some Mac OS's released. So we have to relable it as something else.

Perhaps the overweight loner in the corner with no friends, or perhaps the mentally challenged new kid that started term and people just look down upon with sad indifference?

After all is it is bloatware ridden, not liked and functionally limited by some deep ridden error.

@Chewy.

Come on be serious, after 8 years in the shops and you say developers can't develop on XP, then they aren't very good devlopers are they?

And after reading the padding from MS about the Vista sp1 it says the number of supported drivers has jumped from 15000 to 54000. Which means the bloat of vista which preloads them anyway will be even larger. That is 54000 drivers that Xp and the suppliers already have out there for use. Vista is playing catch up just to come level with Xp. I have Vista ultimate as well, it stinks. Got it OEM as I can't afford the second mortgage it would cost otherwise.

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Gates Horns

Vista slamming on the performance brake ...

Even if you had a new PC why would you want to take a 50% performance hit just to run Vista? MS are crazy if they think transparent windows are that important.

Why pay for multiple cores and multiple GBs of RAM when half of it is going to used to display a desktop and handle some file operations?

I'm sticking with XP. If I want the Vista experience I will pull out a stick of RAM and underclock my CPU!

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@By Andy Worth

"On the other hand you are probable vulnerable to just about every exploit in existence."

Certainly not mush! - I'm quite capable of securing my own network, thank you.

Anyone who connects _any_ Windows machine to the internet, updated or not, without external protection is a tw@.

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Happy

Windows sales down by 25%?

According to PC Pro:

"Microsoft has seen a substantial drop in profits in the first quarter of 2008, with income for the period falling by more than a tenth.

The news comes as the company releases its first-quarter financial figures, showing that profits have also declined by 11%.

A slowdown in Windows sales contributed strongly to these falling figures, as Microsoft announced a drop of nearly a quarter in the number of operating system licenses sold."

Fancy that...

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Alien

@ all the Vista knockers!

For Gods sake stop whinging!

You're the people who slagged XP (which is real crap) saying it's bloated, needs new H/W etc and how W95/98/2000 is great. When W7 comes out you'll slag that as well, 'coz it'll need new, high spec H/W!

I've install Vista at work, at home and recommend it to anyone who wants a decent operating system.

In my experience it runs quicker than XP, is more stable than XP, and looks much better as well.

I'd guess that most of the knockers (aka tits!) have never installed Vista or tried it on a min-spec machine - P4 Dual 2GHz, 512MB RAM works fine, systems doing more (i.e. video editting - upgarde to 1GB RAM and working fine)

@the Linix twerps - when there is easily available, professionally written and supported software, then brag about how good it is. Until then accept that most companies will not use something that is only supported by a bunch of geeks who have no idea what is happening in the real world.

I've been working in IT for 25+ years and supporting Windows since r2. Vista is the best thing to come out of MS since 1995.

Flame away!

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Disk performance

I'm in two minds about Vista.

I don't think it's unreasonable to up the ante on hardware specs. CPU and memory have never been cheaper.

However the bottle-neck in most systems is hard-disk performance and it was the worst possible thing MS could have done to hit this as badly as they did. On my wife's 2*1.8GHz home Vista machine, disk transfers take around 60% longer (especially from within the same physical disk to otherr folders or partitions) than my similar notebook with XP pro. This isn't acceptable.

I wonder what server versions of Vista are going to do to database performance and the like?

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Vista?

Vista = M.E. 2008. I will never install it. Simply because of what I read here and elsewhere. I will never "Exercise my downgrade right" either. I will simply buy XP.

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Boffin

VISTA v XP Pro Could prove to be an interesting war.

Problem = Vista has not made the mark to cover the massive investment in its creation. This is because XP has matured into a reasonably stable OS for most.

Solution = Create an un-necessary SP3 that basically rolls up all previous SP's and fixes, but add a well buried little blighter that will terminate the reliability of XP, as and when the shareholders start twitching.

SP3 with Covert 'Terminator' switch for FREE. Ugh Ugh not for me thanks!!!

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All I want...

...is my existing XP system which is good, to run on new hardware to make it even better.

I want the new CPUs, harddisks, RAM, and graphics cards to continually enhance my good operating system/games platform.

I want to spend my money on hardware over time to make the OS good, and not £1k each time a new OS comes out.

If Vista was faster (surely things *improve* over time?), I'd be there like a shot. Why do I want to buy a downgrade?

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Boffin

Ubuntu Linux 4.8 LTS

Ubuntu is coming out soon and is said to be the best Linux enterprise operating system (EOS). So whith this in mind who needs Vista? I mean serously who needs Vista? I have never used it but from what I've seen it is so rubbish. Windows XP with its flower pot men icons is so much better. So who really needs Vista now Ubuntu is on the shelves ?

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Daft

Just had someone external visit me at work. I noticed he was running Vista, so I asked how he was getting along with it.

He said "It's OK since I installed 4GB of memory"

Why on earth should anyone have to have this amount of memory to use an operating system?

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It gets worse for MS .....

Vista breaks backward compatibility because it forces programmers to do things properly and respect privilege separation (something, incidentally, which Unix in all its various guises has enforced since day one). All those "legitimate" Windows applications that break because of UAC are making use of exactly the very same "features" that are exploited by malware, viruses, spyware and so forth.

How did all this happen? Probably because a whole generation of wannabe programmers have taught themselves, using knocked-off copies of Microsoft's expensive Visual Studio software development environment, and relying on trial-and-error and chinese whispers rather than official documentation. (Not that the official documentation helped very much if you read it, since it had various careless omissions and errors.)

Microsoft have made a rod for their own back here. All those bespoke applications are going to have to be rewritten to make them behave nicely, otherwise all the security benefits of Vista are nullified. But if applications are going to have to be rewritten anyway, then there's no benefit in sticking with Microsoft and their extortion tactics.

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What I want to know is this...

If/When XP does become unsupported, will we be able to download an activation key generator LEGALLY?......Will we be allowed to host the sp-updates on private websites for slipstreaming, etc?If not, how well will this sit with the EU antimonopoly witch -hunt against M$??? I run opensuse, but have XP for running some proprietary software not available on linux,(nor ever likely to be....too obscure).

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Paris Hilton

Swimming against the tide

I suppose I've always liked being different, the sort of guy that ploughs his own furrow, but I've been running Vista (recently upgraded to SP1) for several months and I actually like it a great deal - great functionality, beautiful look and no speed problems. I keep my system lean and mean and it works well.

Now I despise Microsoft as much as the next user, but recently I installed Ubuntu Hardy Heron, through Wubi, on my laptop. I spent 24 hours jumping through hoops getting my wireless card to be recognised (finally managed it) and connect to my wireless router (no success there, with much pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth involved). To be honest, I found Linux to be lacking in the intuitive stakes, with help and error messages doing little to help solve problems. To cut a long story short, I've now uninstalled Ubuntu. Maybe in a couple of years...

Anyway, there's no argument - the best operating system of them all was the early 90's version of QNX. Now that was lean and mean...

Paris - because everyone likes Paris in the spring.

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Have you ever tried getting support from microsoft?

" @the Linix twerps - when there is easily available, professionally written and supported software, then brag about how good it is. Until then accept that most companies will not use something that is only supported by a bunch of geeks who have no idea what is happening in the real world. "

Well there is it just happens to be UBUNTU.

-- Just to correct some misconceptions

Most of Oopen Source/Linux was written by professional programmers.

IE. programmers who write stuff for a living. Furthermore they

include some of the best programmers who ever lived.

VIsta on the other hand appears to be written by amatuers with a faulty job desription.

--- I have had excellent support experience the "ONE" time I have required it ( arcane JBOS bug). After hearing the varuous tales of Indian call centres and know nothing experts that the MS support team at work have to deal with I would never bother the MS support organisation

-- By the way why did nobody warn me Ballmer is in Brussels? At least now I wingt call the Zoo when I see a ranting goilla in a suit.

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Unhappy

There are some real dicks on here:

You have morons who *need* SP3 so badly they download it from Torrent sites. It's no wonder than Windows get slated for being full of holes. People like you should be banned from The Reg because you're no better than the numpties who buy computers from PC World.

Then there are the Vista defenders. Its ok for your with your top of the line PC with hardware thats a fortnight old and a bottomless wallet to fund upgrades.

I run a P4 2.4Ghz with 1GB of RAM and a 256MB graphics card. I don't need anything faster for the APPLICATIONS I run.

The operating system is meant to be an invisible interface between the user, their computer, and the application they want to run. I don't want to shell out money to do something I've been doing all along with my existing OS.

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Re: Anonymous Coward (10:38 GMT)

Giggle!

I have Vista and XP dual booted on my system (Athlon X2 4600+, 2GB RAM, GeForce 8800 etc). Vista SP1 is definitely slower and flakier than XP on my system (all latest WHQL drivers mind you) and even though I have both available to me, I barely ever boot into Vista these days because for simple working, gaming and entertainment, XP just does the job faster, better and in a more stable way - even if it does look a bit dated these days.

Incidentally, no. I did not knock XP when it came out. Yes it used more resources and that was a negative, but it was definitely a far more solid and reliable OS than 98 and I promptly upgraded to XP back in 2001 and haven't looked back since. XP's advantages far outweighed its drawbacks back in 2001 when it came out. I also happily upgraded from 3.1 to 95 and 95 to 98 so I'm not someone who just knocks new releases of Windows all the time as you seem to think.

The problem is that Vista takes a few steps forward and also a fair few back. It offers no real advantages to users like myself over XP (SuperFetch being probably the one exception) and just runs slower and more flakily into the bargain. I am looking forward to Windows 7 and hoping that it will provide the compelling reasons to upgrade that are sadly missing in Vista. Until then, I will continue to use XP and hope that MS will continue to sell me XP should I wish to buy a copy.

In the mean time, stop thinking that everyone who dislikes Vista is some stick-in-the-mud bandwagon-jumping luddite with a 286 because that is definitely not the case. If you like it, fine. That doesn't make it perfect.

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@Microsoft Culture

old fashioned sleuthing is better than automated testing?

what planet do you live on? With out automated testing, MS wouldnt have released vista in 5 years time - let alone when they did!!

I take it then you are automatically discounting the near industry standard of unit testing? as well as automated regression testing? As well as all the other types of automated testing that goes on...

Its not the culture at MS that needs to change, its our expectations of software vendors. With the advent of high speed internet, everyone is going to expect updates via the internet. Not via physical media.

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Boffin

Relative Values.

Given the rumoured $10B that vista cost, it is hopefully a lesson that MS won't forget in a hurry.

So how much did it cost to run Bletchley Park over a similar time period:

Current data is only available till 2006. In 2006, £10 0s 0d from 1943 was worth:

£309.05 using the retail price index

£334.63 using the GDP deflator

£985.32 using the average earnings

£1,037.88 using the per capita GDP

£1,287.70 using the share of GDP

http://www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/result.php?use%5B%5D=CPI&use%5B%5D=DEFIND&use%5B%5D=WAGE&use%5B%5D=GDPCP&use%5B%5D=GDPC&year_early=1943&pound71=10&shilling71=&pence71=&amount=10&year_source=1943&year_result=2008

paying 7766 people £10 a week to work there would have cost ten million pounds at an exchange rate of £1 in today's money to £128:15:6d.

For 5 years that is a bill of £19,415,000.

I have no idea how much they earned but some would have beenon senior college staff wages and some on senior civil servant's wages which I am guessing is about the same.

And some would have been on girl's wages as school leavers. And I have no idea of the numbers involved. A factory worker would have been on good money. They would have had to come close despite any cachet working in an office would bring in those days.

Current data is only available till 2006. In 2006, £19415000 0s 0d from 1943 was worth:

£600,016,360.13 using the retail price index

£649,688,122.50 using the GDP deflator

£1,912,991,719.14 using the average earnings

£2,015,036,809.43 using the per capita GDP

£2,500,076,311.69 using the share of GDP

Two thousand five hundred million pounds.

All of it to be spent in Britain, the ultimate lock in.

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@Pete, just released service pack

They release SP6 for NT right before they killed that too. I think their intention was to do the same thing for XP: "Here's your service pack kid, now go away and don't bother me again!"

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@Chewy

> "Anybody who is a web developer will tell you XP is pretty horrible for developing on"

I'm a web developer and have no problem with XP Pro. I have however had many and varied tribulations with Vista that go way beyond eye candy, and I am running Ultimate Edition (dictionary definition tells us this means it will be the last ever edition, but we know that's not true!).

Examples of these problems range from the obvious and well-known trauma of file copying through the more curious, like incorrectly applying settings from a DHCP Server and showing the 'busy' pointer on a folder up to thirty seconds after an operation has completed, to the astounding, such as file attributes not correctly reflecting updates and file contents not reflecting changes that I know have taken place when a file is copied. In fact, 'bizarre' and 'freaky' would better describe some of these issues and, yes, I do have a list!

I work with nearly all Windows versions, server and desktop, have worked with what's good and what's bad in each new version but have generally seen things heading in the right direction. I also work with Linux and OS/X (each not without its bad points) and am not any sort of fanboy ;-)

Something really is up with Vista though. It's not that it can't be a good OS, not that it will never be a good OS, just that my work-critical laptop was running it long, long before it became a good OS.

So, give me my old XP Pro machine to work on and keep Vista away from me until it does what it says on the tin.

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Unhappy

Maybe I'll start using Vista again...

just as soon as the mouse pointer reappears. I even tried plugging the thing into the PS2 port. It worked for about 4 days (without the scrolly button thing working, but usable all the same) and then disappeared again without warning.

Failing that, I'll just reinstall the games I use Windows for into XP instead.

I like XP - you can make a cup of tea while it boots up and everything. Who could ask for anything more?

On a more serious note though - end of life usually means end of security updates. Time to start worrying, I think.

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Irritatingly weighted 'choice' already

To date my office (15 people) have purchased one PC with Vista, which has been downgraded to XP. I'd much rather spend less and just buy XP, but we're tied into Autodesk subscriptions (seemingly the only way to buy their software these days) and I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if they pulled their support for XP before Windows 7 comes out. Autodesk seem to be bigger evangelists for Microsoft technology than even Microsoft themselves and their attitude towards their customers is lamentable.

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Vista vs. XP vs. 2000 vs. Ubuntu

I have far too many PCs kicking around the house, of various ages and OSes, and I find myself hopping between them.

My main machine is XP. It's reasonably spec'd, and XP works nicely. No complaints at all. There's an old machine running 2000. When I find myself using that PC I don't yearn for something more modern - 2000, despite its age, is still fit for purpose.

The best machine in the house has a processor that's allegedly twice as fast and has twice as much memory as the others. It runs Vista, and it is without doubt the most sluggish-feeling box of the lot - all guff and no grunt (to coin a phrase).

I've toyed with various flavours of Linux in the past, but have got no further than thinking 'well fine, but I haven't got the time or the patience for this'. Downloaded the new Ubuntu last night just out of curiosity, stuck the CD in and tried the try-me-without-touching-the-hard-disk mode, and blow me, a fully working system in under a couple of minutes, which was usable without going to geek school, and seems to tick the browsing/e-mail/office apps boxes. Tied into too much Windows-only stuff on the main PC to migrate that one just now, but for the other boxes, perfect.

So, for me, XP please for now. Even 2000 would be preferable to Vista. For the wife's PC, that will be turning Ubuntu very shortly.

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Something is odd

On the one hand, people are complaining about poor performance on 2GB RAM machines, and yet I'm having no performance issues on 1GB RAM. Discounting all the "I've never used it but I know it's crap" sheeple, and the "it must be crap because it's not Linux" bunch, that leaves a core of people who've found it runs slow on more powerful hardware than mine, which was budget a year ago.

MS need to actually find out what the issue is. My suspicion is drivers.

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IT Angle

As I said before...

5 out of the 7 machines in my office are running 98SE + AutoCAD R14!!!

Some bosses can be quite fundamental on the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" principle.

(The other 2 are on XP Home w/ R14, btw).

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Long URLs in comments make reading a pain the arse

Please automatically edit comments with extra long URL's to cut them up over a few lines. It makes reading the comments a real pain the arse otherwise with having to scroll left and right all the bloody time.

ta!

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@alistair millington

my point is that XP only allows you to develop on one website at a time, meaning you have to resort to virtual directories - fine if you want to develop small scales sites but none of the companies I've worked for have developed directly under XP. Commerce Server does not work under XP which means you need a license for Server 2003 if you want to run it under VPC.

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(Written by Reg staff)

Re: Long URLs in comments make reading a pain the arse

I've mentioned before that it'd be courteous if people used tinyurl.com to smallify their inordinately long links. Because it would.

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(Written by Reg staff)

Re: Long URLs in comments make reading a pain the arse

Although I should take issue with your use of the word 'automatically'. All your witterings are painstakingly sifted and moderated by trained gibbons in cages i.e. us.

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Happy

Dear Gibbon

... and what a lovely cage.

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XPsp3 "RTM" doesn't mean what it used to

Up until Vista SP1, "RTM" from MS meant that software was available for dowenload from MSDN, TechNet and so on. Now, they seem to have an extra delay.

As for Balmer, this could well be positioning for a change of strategy. You know how political parties can't just change course; they have to lay the ground for saying that it isn't a change at all? MS have something of the same problem with Vista: lots of people in the MS food-chain who've been building their lives around "Vista is good" as the message for two years now. And they've taught themselves to believe that, in spite of the evidence from customers, because if they didn't believe it, they wouldn't be able to feel that they're making the world a better place. Marketing is like that, and it accounts for a lot of the strange behaviour you see from corporate marketing departments.

Setting Vista aside would mean "abandoning all the sacrifice and effort that had gone into it". People really don't like being told that they've been wasting their time, especially when their managers have been telling them its was vital. If this discussion of MS internal politics seems irrelevant, consider this: How often does Steve Balmer have a non-scripted conversation with someone who doesn't either work for him, or feel scared of upsetting him?

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They should give it up...

Even if Vista isn't as bad as it's reputation, it's reputation is bad enough in itself to cause problems.

I'd have more respect for MS if they just said "okay, our bad".

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Alien

`What are we going to do now? What are we going to do now?

At a conversion rate of $2/£1, that's Bletchley Boffinry being twice as Good as and offering a Uniquely Astute Magical Mystery Turing product to Boot over the Vista lemon, I. Aproveofitspendingonspecificprojects. That must, being conservative in such matters, at least cube their performance over the Uncle Sam OS and set them light years ahead. QuITE AI Colossal Achievement for something which is always not there when you ask.

If Yahoo has nothing to offer Bill/Steve/Ray, they could always buy into the System which "isn't at Bletchley and we know nothing about IT" and Create a Tempest Storm which will Virtually Rock the Planet and wipe out their Failure for they'll at least be on the Bridge of a SuperSubAtomic NEUKlearer ProgramLed CyberSpaceShip rather than being Buffeted and Hacked into Pieces out in the Open and all at C# in the Virgin Virtualised Jungle ....... the Amazons' Forests. For Venus holds the PerlyGatesPython Keys to Mastery in Universes and can only Deliver to EMPathetic Sympathetic SurReal Souls who can Push all the Right Buttons every Time for the Best of Times Servering to Base XXXXAlted Needs and Feeds.

QuITE a Paradigm Shift in EMPhases 42 Deliver Real Change, Virtually, which is A.N.Other Property available with QuBits and Binary Digital Future Projection ProgramMIng.

And the Egghead because they don't have any and they need one for they are too far behind to catch up on their own, hence the generous $ Lifeline to give them Mentored and Monitored Access to ITs Quantum Machinery, Virtual TelePortation Interface ....... their Missing Core VistAIdDriver. At least they know where to find it and how much IT will cost them although buying more of the same a la Yahoo, it most definitely aint.

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Windows XP or Windows 2003 as a workstation FOREVER.

Microsoft, please work on XP SP4, and please make a 32 bit version of Windows XP "64-bit" Which is simply Windows 2003 rebadged Windows XP.

Microsoft, your Vista and 2008 products suck so bad, its utterly pathetic and embarrassing and you are risking longtime customers to simply defect to something better.

Solaris: opensource, Linux: opensource, Darwin:opensource, OS X, you name it, we are getting more choices. Stop trying to make them easier to make.

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ROFLAO: MS... all your desktop are belong to us..

RE: MS... all your desktop are belong to us.

You wish!!!!! I despise Vista but XP is just fine, thank you. Gonna take a lot more than that for linux to gain desktop penetration.

Grandma is't going to be using desktop linux anytime soon guys, sorry. The biggest chink in the linux desktop wheel is linux users. Way too many prefer that linux be the desktop underdog (they wouldn't be geek-elite if it had 50% of the desktop - of course, they aren't geek elite anyway so it's moot).

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Anonymous Coward

Replace XP(c)(tm) with XP-like Open Source Operating System

Well, a maybe-two-years-to-go before XP(c)(tm) is pushed aside for favour of Windows 7(c)(tm).

Fine, two years and ReactOS might well be in the running as the replacement of choice for about-to-be-forced-out XP(c)(tm) fans.

http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html

Be a great hoot that. People abandon Microsoft for an open source incarnation of XP(c)(tm).

Gets round all that argument over 'Microsoft v Linux' for people that rightly or wrongly don't fancy the notion of Linux (which is getting more GUI usable in leaps and bounds - or put another way, more Windows-like in leaps and bounds).

Cheers Microsoft, good-bye to you, and good-bye to your shitty little 'You are licensed to use this operating system on 'x' number of computers...' stunts.

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Unhappy

if 2gig of ram don't run it ....

i recently purchased a dell £350: dual 64 core + 2 gig ram. under VISTA, video cut up and games are hopelessly jerky - and that was after disabling the search + other things that made it VISTA!

there is no way VISTA can replace XP within 5 years. people actually have to DO THINGS on there PCs you know!

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IT Angle

Back to the future

Inexplicably, all this vociferous OS angst catalysed a serious nostalgic attack. So I went on a loft expedition and returned triumphantly clutching my old circa 1991 Amiga 500, all 4096 colours with 8-bit stereo audio, a 60MB external HD and just 3 MB of ram.

Reminiscent of Woody Allen’s 200 yr old VW Beetle in the classic Sleeper, I hooked it up and the bugger booted first time; and surprising quickly too. Yeah the graphics are prehistoric but its relatively agile and Workbench still lets me navigate t’internet. Indeed, I easily managed to post this reply on it.

This old Miggy was once a technological marvel; it certainly gave that Steve Jobs sleepless nights and knocked the then IBM PC into a cocked hat. However, poor decision-making and bad timing left the field wide open and the Amiga withered and died; the rest is, of course, history. The salient point being that, as decrepit as it undoubtedly is, the damn thing still runs efficiently, has never suffered a single virus or malware and is absolutely rock solid; certainly more so than certain other MS products I’ve used since .… ME anybody?

What I would like to know is now that 17 years has passed and the IT industry has invested untold billions in R&D and development, why are we still wringing our hands in despair over allegedly poor OS stability and efficiency? Is it a case that, in trying to be all things to all men, Microsoft have ultimately shot themselves in the foot? Which ever way you look at it, it’s a pretty poor show.

It certainly makes me ponder the inevitability of certain developments because, from where I stand, MS is increasingly displaying that particular kind of desperation brought on by self-inflicted wounds; either that or we’ve all been cynically played like suckers!

No, surely they wouldn’t do a thing like that? …… well they wouldn’t would they?

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IBM 300'000+ employees

XP still, no plans for Vista, someone is fibbing :)

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A Reactionary XPEditionary OS for Private Armies?

If XP is not "officially" supported, does that mean that counterfeits are no longer counterfeits and are then legal tender to be traded/swapped rather than proprietary information to generate currency flow/ banked wealth from shared knowledge? No wonder it gets a new lease of Life whenever the Cash Cow/Golden Goose [XP] delivers a still-born/slow-witted Calf/barren egg [Vista]?

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to the unpatched one

The only protection you can afford is to disconnect from the internet...

nature will always find a way.

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Ok Steve, if you hear from us WHERE EXACTLY?

Steve, there may be 50 ways to leave your lover but are there 50 ways to get it through your thick skull?

Carrier pigeon note?

Smoke signals?

Website link?

Windows Popup Warning?

Telephone?

Telegram?

Shout real real loud?

Email?

Morse code?

WTF Steve, the discontent with XP is all over the freakin' internets, but you still need to be told by "customers"? If you woke up with it tatooed on your forehead would you begin to think something was up or would a voice from the sky have to tell you in each of the worlds 30 most popular languages in under 15 seconds while gypsys clanged bells and the wind blew from the northeast?

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