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If Phoenix Technologies gets its way, we may lose the precious time spent while Windows leisurely ambles from slumber at startup. Those countless minutes, perhaps, we didn't realize we counted on to: wash the dog, mow the lawn, check tire pressure, reject the idea that the most certain and primary reality is rational …

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  1. Peter Kay

    Bios/IBM Basic was actually fairly recent-ish

    It still worked on the Thinkpad 701 'butterfly' sub notebook. The basic is even less functional than GW Basic though, so don't get your hopes up..

    Not sure what the relevance of Logo is though. Yes, the PCW had DR Logo - it ran under CP/M 3+ using the GSX library. The PCW had no real BIOS - only an extremely basic disk loading routine.

    Unless of course what's meant is the short lived PCW16, which stored its operating system and apps in Flash, but didn't include Logo as far as I'm aware.

  2. Lyndon Hills

    Quick Boot

    Seems to me that if all you want to do is browse or email then a better answer would be a modern mobile phone.

  3. Rhiakath Flanders

    Irony of times?

    Ahhh, the good old days on my XT, or the 8086, where i needed a hairdryer pointing at the side latch, to warm up the hard drive... it would be so cold at home on winter, that the disc would shrink a bit, and the head would not find boot sector....

    Had 640k RAM, a 20 mb disk... floppy.. And THAT was a super computer... already with a hdd.... CGA graphics... wow....

    Now, i need water cooling to keep it below 30 º C....

    2 Gb to run everything smoothly... and 1 Tb of hdd.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    @ rob miller

    Re: tables turned

    I think you'll find that to get into the toshiba bios, you can either use the windows based program, or the accidentally discovered method of holding down the esc key while turning the machine on... it leads to a 'keyboard error', where you can press F1 to get into the BIOS...!

    @everyone else...

    LOGO was great fun... I remember playing with those turtles at primary school (which I left 13 years ago), but they still use versions of them (I do some work there on occation)

    Now, where's the 'ahh... nostalgia' icon? I suppose I could use the angel Bill (ie when microsoft was a good company), or the alien (when they first landed), but I'll have to go with the Paris icon - can't remember life before Paris!!

  5. Simon Westerby
    Alert

    Hibernate Vs Standby ...

    Stand by does not require your PC to "Plugged into the mains", just have a supply of power from somewhere .. My laptop goes on standyby everynight and i pop it into its case, and it happily starts up the next day in a flash!

    I also standby my home PC's... i think i tried hibernate once (but it WAS windows 98 - 'nuff said) and it really broke on resume ...

    I might try it again when i feel like a challenge!

  6. Dave Driver
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    LOGO

    I WROTE a LOGO interpreter. I spent a year of my life on this (86-87) and it actually worked. It was a fascinating exercise in recursive programming. Mind you, it was written on a pretty modern machine - a twin floppy Olivetti PC, using Pascal. Perhaps I should have taken on a real challenge and done it on my Microtan 65 in 6502 assembler.

    Happy days.

  7. Luther Blissett

    Nostalgia in divers forms

    LOGO was ok until Naomi Klein came along. Don't hear too much about it these days.

    The reason you couldn't get earlier versions Windows into ROM was that when it had to support both 16 bit and 32 bit programs, it did this thru self-modifying code which set up and cleared the subroutine return stacks properly.

    @ vincent himpe: aren't you supposed to be working rather than reliving glory days as a student let loose on an assembler for the very first time?

    I also recall that real programmers never used Pascal. But I never found what those that did, did with him. Bouncing ideas off? Goferring? Or something that the young at heart would not want to know about?

  8. Mycho Silver badge

    Hibernate isn't all it's meant to be

    Something on my mother's computer doesn't exit properly and keeps eating system resources every time it's run. Inevitably an actual proper reboot fixes it but she never reboots anymore since discovering hibernate.

  9. Frank Bellavance

    @Mike : Sleepy time

    If you're using a laptop, try unpluging it and seeing how much you like that option the next day. Sleep and hybernate are not the same. Sleep just powers off "most" of the computer and leaves everything in RAM. If you loose power (your battery runs out), you loose everything

  10. Peter Rowland

    hurry up

    Linux is working on faster boot times with programs called openbios and upstart.

    http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-bios.html?ca=dgr-lnxw09OpenBIOS

    http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3659756

    fredd

  11. Chris Fryer

    Re: Hibernate...

    As has been said, saving the contents of RAM to the HDD is a bit of a bore, and probably a security risk. What's more, if you Hibernate an XP box from your session, you've effectively made your machine single-user only.

    A neat trick might be to log out, then hibernate from the login screen. You'd save all that time spent booting you to the login screen, and presto! the multi-user OS you paid for.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Persistent hibernate...

    Actually it's just occurred to me that there is a way to do a persistent hibernate, so the machine can come back in a consistent minimal state rather than how you left it...

    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa940865.aspx

    Now how do you get the file size down?

    It doesn't really need to store the unused bits fo RAM does it?

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Gates Horns

    @Chris Fryer

    > and presto! the multi-user OS you paid for.

    Errmmmm... actually, Windows isn't multi-user, and never will be unless it's rewritten from scratch, because it doesn't have an adequate security model in which "true" administrator (root) mode is enforced.

    Being able to log in with a choice of profiles, or being able to "Fast user switch" might seem impressive to Gates fanboys, but it's a complete joke to users of real multiuser systems.

    Having a problem with a particular running process? Just Ctrl-Alt-Fkey and open a new shell, log in as root, and have a look around the system. Subject to available system resources (basically, memory, and without a WinOS you don't need much!), keep logging on as as a different user as many times as you like... or even as the same user multiple times... or, as a party piece, SSL in from somewhere else and start a VNC session to use a GUI remotely. It all comes as standard on a real OS, and it's a bad wake-up call when you occasionally have to use Windows and remember that Redmond haven't managed to produce a true multi-user OS yet... :-(

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