back to article Report on AI in UK public sector: Some transparency on how government uses it to govern us would be nice

A new report from the Committee for Standards in Public life has criticised the UK government's stance on transparency in AI governance and called for ethics to be "embedded" in the frameworks. The 74-page treatise noted that algorithms are currently being used or developed in healthcare, policing, welfare, social care and …

  1. SVV Silver badge

    the government doesn't publish any centralised audit on the extent of AI use

    Perhaps they should develop an AI system that will decide what government information to publish . After all, if they're just going to carry on using AI systems to judge people on things such as likelihood of being a criminal, or reoffender or benefit cheat, not caring about all the negative consequences for the people that are wrongly accused, then if the government is harmed because the AI decides to release something they want to keep covered up it's just the same tough luck.

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Re: the government doesn't publish any centralised audit on the extent of AI use

      I second that proposal, SVV. Let's give AI a trial as judge and jury deciding on future human interreaction with full provision of practical instruction to render maximum benefit from the quantum leap switch to a most able AI System of Universal Operation.

      I wonder what a Boris J and a Dominic C would make with Effective Leverage in that Facilitative Utility?

      And there's no point in them denying expertise and/or competence in the application, for whenever not able to be provided custom made in-house, everything needed is supplied freely from A.N.Others' Operating Systems Overflowing Stores.

      Classic Win Win for Who Dares Care Share.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: the government doesn't publish any centralised audit on the extent of AI use

      If information === Russian report go to do not release

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: the government doesn't publish any centralised audit on the extent of AI use

        Well done on the downvote comrade

  2. gerryg

    GIGO still matters

    No system is perfect. Show me the error-free caring, sharing, sensitive, and responsive manual system and there's a conversation to be had. Note: I even left out "cost-effective"

    It's probably easier to bury the mistakes in the system that I describe above. The audit trail in an AI system, not so much. Since whenever, c.f., MYCIN and Eliza, "professionals" have contained about AI. AI shouldn't get a free pass but Luddites shouldn't get a free ride.

  3. John Hoar

    Let's simplify that first paragraph

    A new report from the Committee for Standards in Public life has criticised the UK government and called for ethics.

  4. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    A Valentine Easter Egg .......... on 0verlorderly Operations Augmented Virtual Reality Style.

    Most of what is in the public realm at present is thanks to journalists and academics making Freedom of Information requests or rifling through the bins of public procurement data, rather than public bodies taking the proactive step of releasing information about how they use AI. ...... Laurie Clarke 12 Feb 2020 at 13:25

    One could try the converse obverse reverse with journalists and academics making Freedom of Information requests or rifling through the bins of public procurement data releasing information about how AI is using them and public bodies.

    Such might very well be is the much more fruitful endeavour with bounties one never before dreamed possible, and all immediately deliverable.

    Do you think that would be Present Systems Operations Problematical? And have them vulnerable and prone to Overloading Lode Trashing and Smashing and Crashing?

    And asking here for Friends who are also almightily curious.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: A .......... Reality Style.

      Howdy, Doc,

      and maybe there's a time to get to know the way AI thinks how the public bodies are *not* using AI even if AI recommended them to.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: A .......... Reality Style.

        and maybe there's a time to get to know the way AI thinks how the public bodies are *not* using AI even if AI recommended them to. ..... Anonymous Coward

        Maybe, AC, although that being akin to kicking a can of worms and a Pandoran Box further on down the road is too much of a desperate ineffectual dither to be considered as anything else of note other than there be no better a time to realise and release information and sensitive intelligence to the private and pirating foreign sectors too for allowance of the possibility, and therefore most likely probability of their embrace and engagement/novel quantum communications leap field lead.

        And, AC, do you really honestly think you can get to know the way AI thinks how the public bodies are *not* using AI even if AI recommended them to ..... ergo its branding here as a desperate ineffectual dither ‽ .

        1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

          Re: A .......... Reality Style.

          And of course, one can always rely on an imperious military and wannabe imperial dictatorships [although not necessarily an imperious military and wannabe imperial dictatorships from everywhere and an enclave like the UKGBNI] to want to be ahead of the Great IntelAIgent Game and in Absolute Charge of Command and Control of Future Alien Weaponry ....... White House to weaponize AI and spend money to poach top talent

          Furthermore, as we all know, in a capitalist economy and fiat money system, top talent isn't cheap and is surely intelligently designed to be extremely expensive when also mind numbingly effective and stealthily overwhelming. It appears to be the way that particular and peculiar system likes to work in order to generate future profits for lavish spending and saving. Whether that be a blessing or a curse is one of those questions dodgy systems try to avoid asking and answering.

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          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Re: Reality Style.

            Kicking a can of wwworms is not exactly what is expected from a man with a GOD-given fishing tackle ( https://youtu.be/Wt0nFwtQZGc ), as well as refusing a Pandora's Content ( https://www.pandora-lab.com/ ) if one practices Deep C Diving; so would one really refuse the thinking Servers the ability to share Thinker Drivers, let even painted in all colours of a year, yearly, way too out and a way off from the thinking-that-it-thinks-attention, with the Slave Vaults to unlock the common multilectual hidden libraries and just think (again)?

            Well, the ongoing task of supporting Markets (who took the Common Sense as a hostage) in its dialogue with The Jackals of W*r is to prevent the latter ones escape the Strict Dog Collar (which name is too much of Hono(u)r already) is cavitating at full knots, well past and beyond the persons already discussed, lost and going to loose again, even if they are unaware of this unfortunate course of Events.

            Been told. Prompt in Actions. Choose any - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hey+poor+front+242

            Honestly.

            55 73

            1. katrinab Silver badge
              Paris Hilton

              Re: Reality Style.

              Was this written by an AI chatbot?

              It looks superficially like something a human might write, but it makes absolutely no sense at all.

              But then, humans quite often write cr@p, so who knows?

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Reality Style.

                34.

                34 words.

                34 words to say 'cr@p'.

                well, is there anything more then, than just a cr@p?

  5. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Unhappy

    The *perfect* excuse for any govt decision in *any* direction

    "Computer says no."

    That is basically what we're looking at, is it not?

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Stop the world I want to get off.

    I can see where this is all leading, and it isn't to a nice future.

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    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      What could happen?

      Read it again and try and work on understanding the bit about indirect markers.

      i.e. the number of miscreants called Jones in Wales compared against the rest of the UK, could lead to some odd effects on the trustworthiness of Taffy in the rest of the UK

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  8. BebopWeBop Silver badge

    Some transparency on how government uses it to govern us would be nice

    Transparency will never catch on - so yesterday.....

  9. katrinab Silver badge
    Flame

    Can we stop calling this "Artificial Intelligence"

    There is nothing intelligent about it.

    It is just statistical analysis on a set of training data, or, the training data is part of the source code, and the "AI" thing is basically a compiler/interpreter that converts it into a load of if statements.

    Like anything to do with computers, there are use cases for it, and it can be useful in some situations. Just don't call it "intelligence", and if your programming takes the form of feeding the computer with a load of random data, it may not always give you the correct answer.

    1. Tail Up

      Re: Can we stop calling this "Artificial Intelligence"

      Does it mean, katrinab, that word processing is the only processing AI processes during its processes?

      Well, it's just a typewriter then, this AI box. The only thing that slips out of it is Where and how the fingers that push the buttons get the orders that order to order the alphabetical order order in this or that order that orders one's pretty fingertips order to push the buttons of your keyboard in order to order OP's mind read the conclusion:cr@p?

      1. katrinab Silver badge
        Alien

        Re: Can we stop calling this "Artificial Intelligence"

        Greetings chatbot.

        What's the weather like in Moscow today?

        1. Tail Up

          Re: Can we stop calling this "Artificial Intelligence"

          Aloha katrinab.

          49 oF in Fresco, it's what I see @wundeground when I ask my brick about weather. Moscow goes at 5 oC. Plus. Hope no bears out there.

          Hmm. There are definitely more than even a hundred cities on the globe. Why Moscow, katrinb?

          Ah, you've been on a FC in 2018 and need a refreshing tour?

          Not now. Reports say dizzy environs, windy, wet, etc, no want to leave metro -

          https://youtu.be/udk1skEmTzU

  10. DJV Silver badge

    Was it just me or...

    ...did anyone else see "Peter Thiel's data-mining biz Palantir" but read his name as Peter Thief?

  11. macjules Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Transparency?

    In government? The only transparency you will ever see in the UK is the glass door slamming shut behind you as the "open government" civil servants are laughing their heads off at you.

  12. EnviableOne Silver badge

    The gov cant use AI to target services

    but Insurance can use the same models to charge you higher premiums?

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