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Ex-Autonomy boss Mike Lynch has submitted himself for arrest, a formality required as part of the extradition process initiated by the US Department of Justice. Lynch handed himself in at Charing Cross police station in London this morning before facing a preliminary extradition hearing at Westminster Magistrates' Court …

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  1. TimMaher Bronze badge
    Facepalm

    Again, and again, and again...

    Where was due diligence?

    Anyone?...

    1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Alert

      Re: Again, and again, and again...

      Where was due diligence?

      I keep thinking the same about Trump and Boris

      1. bpfh Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: Again, and again, and again...

        No due dilligence was needed. The auditors just needed to believe in Brexit.

        Which I guess means that auditors don’t really serve any purpose?

    2. Mark 85 Silver badge

      Re: Again, and again, and again...

      Where was due diligence?

      They have probably heard of if and keep it stored in a certain basement with a leopard and all that.

      1. BebopWeBop Silver badge
        Holmes

        Re: Again, and again, and again...

        The same filing cabinet that the report on Russian influence in the UK and on certain parties is stored no doubt.....

        1. not.known@this.address Bronze badge

          Re: Again, and again, and again...

          Can anyone explain why communist Russia would want a right-wing government in the UK or America? Surely a left-wing government, with their policies of appeasement and disarmament, would be much more popular since they would either welcome a new openly communist regime with open arms or provide a much easier target because they would be too busy whining and coming up with new ways to waste public money to notice the oncoming red horde.

          I have heard lots of LOSERS saying "somebody else made you do it" rather than admit they backed the losing side who lost because more people liked the other side than theirs, and lots of shouting about how unfair it is they lost, and how evil the winners (Trump and Boris) are, but no real evidence that this mysterious "somebody else" really exists - the Russians on facebook didn't make Labour politicians stand in front of the camera and say "we don't care the country voted to leave the EU, f*** the voters" - the politicians did that themselves.

          If Labour had not chosen to make themselves the anti-Brexit party they might have stood a chance, if they had stayed loyal to their "core demographic" and given even a tiny sign that the common men and women of the country mattered a damn to the elitists in Westminster any more, they might have stood a chance. Instead they chose to make it clear that all they wanted was to protect their seat on the EU gravy train and that what "the little people" wanted no longer counts for anything in their eyes - and they lost.

          1. awoze

            Re: Again, and again, and again...

            Russia isn't communist anymore...

            Welcome to the 21st Century.

          2. DontFeedTheTrolls Silver badge
            Facepalm

            Re: Again, and again, and again...

            "If Labour had not chosen to make themselves the anti-Brexit party"

            In what universe were labour the "anti-Brexit party". They were entirely the "sit on the fence party". They still are. They have no clear policy on anything.

            "If we were in power we'd be doing it different"

            "What would you be doing different?"

            "Er, it would be, er something else, maybe this or maybe that"

          3. PapaD

            Re: Again, and again, and again...

            This shows a lack of understanding about international politics.

            If (IF) another nation was influencing the UK to leave the EU, it may have had nothing to do with the UK, and everything to do with the EU - as in, remove one of the biggest members of the EU, reduce its bargaining power, weaken a trading block, improve your own situation.

            It may not even be that, it could be targeting other nations that utilise the UK as an entryway into the EU, as a way to diminish their trade and political strength.

            There could be lots of reasons why Russia, the USA, China, etc etc would want the UK to exit the EU without the impact on the UK (positive or negative) being even remotely relevant to the decision making. If you think such foreign entities would influence the UK democracy just to get the politicians they want in the UK, then you have a far too UK centric view of international relations.

          4. Tail Up

            Re: Again, and again, and again...

            "why communist Russia" -

            you re still living on stereo Mac

            as was said here its an age of 7+1 nowadays

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Again, and again, and again...

      There was, but Leo the Clown admitted on the stand that he couldn't be arsed to read it. Below his job grade apparently.

    4. robidy Bronze badge

      Re: Again, and again, and again...

      If we don't get to prosecute killers why should they get to lynch, Lynch?

      1. Psmo Bronze badge

        Re: Again, and again, and again...

        The average killer doesn't have £10M for bail.

        Excessive much?

        1. DontFeedTheTrolls Silver badge
          Headmaster

          Re: Again, and again, and again...

          The average killer hasn't received £500million from an alleged fraudulent transaction.

          Bail is set appropriate to the potenial of the accused to skipping it, much to the out of pocketness of Saint Julian's friends. Lynch has enough money to get himself to a country of non-extradition, something few killers have (unless you're backed by the American government and extracted from a country under false immunity).

          1. aks Bronze badge

            Re: Again, and again, and again...

            Lynch could have done that at any time. He clearly believes he can win.

    5. VulcanV5

      Re: Again, and again, and again...

      Where is diplomatic immunity?

      Because at this sensitive time in relations between the UK and the United States of Trump, it would be very diplomatic for US prosecutors to abandon their desire to be a Lynch mob.

    6. ManMountain1

      Re: Again, and again, and again...

      The "but you should have spotted it" defence doesn't absolve him of wrongdoing

    7. ToddRundgrensUtopia

      Re: Again, and again, and again...

      Ironic, but Diligence is a product sold by Luminance, one of Lynch's VC funded firms

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    How embarrassing it would be for US authorities should HP's civil action fail in the London High Court where a much lower burden of proof is required than in the criminal court where beyond reasonable doubt is required.

    Should have waited until the civil judgement arrived.

    1. Cynic_999 Silver badge

      Although the US is not bound by UK judgements, and additionally something that is unlawful in the US is not necessarily unlawful in the UK.

      1. Alan Johnson

        Although the US is not bound by UK judgements, and additionally something that is unlawful in the US is not necessarily unlawful in the UK.

        Well exactly so why is a charge of fraud for the sale of a British company, listed on the London stock exchange, that took place in Britain being pursued in the US?

        If the answer is because the laws are different then it should not be tried there at all.

        The real answer is of course that it is difficult if not impossible to obtain a fair trial in the US due to normalised prosecutorial abuses and inducements for false testimony by criminal witnesses. This is compounded when the accused is a foreigner. They believe they can obtain a conviction when there is no case to answer within the UK.

        This case really highlights the need to change the one sided and unjust extradition treaty with the US.

        A new treaty should prevent forum shopping by making it clear trials should be conducted in the country in which the offense is alleged to have occured. That extradition cannot occcur when a prosecuting authourity within either country has declined to prosecute a sthey believe it is against the public interest to do so and the treaty should allow refusal if the evidence presented is insufficient.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Nah

      Much easier to convict in the U.S. We hate everyone, equally.

      1. BebopWeBop Silver badge
        Headmaster

        Re: Nah

        Well everyone is a subset (large admittedly) that does not contain those in favour with the US administration de jour shurely?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Nah

          "Well everyone is a subset (large admittedly) that does not contain those in favour with the US administration de jour shurely?"

          Given how those in and out of favour with the current US administration seem to change on a daily basis, that's a very small group.

          Generally, US justice hates anyone that isn't rich and even the rich need very expensive lawyers to tell an unbelievable story to get off...

      2. Aladdin Sane Silver badge

        Re: Nah

        I think we can prove by looking at American history that the hate is very much not equal.

      3. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: Nah

        We hate everyone, equally

        Unless (of course) they have lots and lots of money. Then we *love* them.

    3. macjules Silver badge

      Hand over Anne Sacoolas first to stand trial in the UK and then we can chat about Mike Lynch, Julian Assange and all the others “wanted” by America.

      1. robidy Bronze badge

        That's a reasonable test of the Johnson's balls...something tells me there's a lot of weasel word and hand wringing to come.

        1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

          test of the Johnson's balls.

          Eww and double-eww.

          There isn't enough mind-bleach to remove that from my mind.

      2. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Native Revolutionary Heralding the Virtual Evolutionary?!.

        Hand over Anne Sacoolas first to stand trial in the UK and then we can chat about Mike Lynch, Julian Assange and all the others “wanted” by America. [macjules]That's a reasonable test of the Johnson's balls...something tells me there's a lot of weasel word and hand wringing to come. [robidy]

        If both Boris Johnson and the Cabinet Office [that Prime Ministerial fig leaf that dumps a toxic collective responsibility on compliant members rather than executive leaders (cuckolds rather hookers)] do not now start to display that they are in charge of the future as they see it should and could be, rather than being clearly seen to be failing to lead and following foreign scripts as others would have it be, they will never have any stealthy new ammunition and effective virile virtual help from the UKGBNI Cyber Command and Control Sectors.

        Just ask DC re: Future Shenanigans for Present Processing with Past Product Management/Established Operations.[that's Dominic Cummings not David Cameron] to know of what will be lost and then supported by A.N.Others, for surely he knows .......

        From: "Dominic Cummings" <dmc2.cummings at gmail.com>

        Subject: Re: Future Shenanigans for Present Processing with Past Product Management/Established Operations.

        Date: 3 February 2020 at 17:05:40 GMT

        I check email occasionally and with no schedule so please do not rely on this for anything time sensitive.

        D

      3. Cynic_999 Silver badge

        The fact that she has diplomatic immunity and (we recently learned) works for the CIA makes her situation both politically and legally very different.

  3. Flak
    Mushroom

    Trade deal - test for the UK government

    Here is a challenge for the UK government:

    Can you negotiate that in return for extraditing Mike Lynch the US agrees to extradite Anne Sacoolas.

    Sounds like a fair and equitable trade to me.

    The outcome of this negotiation may well set a precedent for what we can expect from a UK/US trade deal...

    1. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge

      Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

      Cant see the US agreeing to that one.

      More like there'll be a clause saying "If a US company takes over a UK company and loses money as a result, we reserve the right to imprison the guys in charge of the british company"

      And as further above... where the hell were HP's auditors when they were supposed to be checking this company over?

      1. VanguardG

        Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

        Its not that hard to fool auditors, especially since I'm sure these were sent in at the last moment to do a rush job - a company with a valuation running to 10 digits and above *before* the decimal point would take many months to fully audit, and HPE was in a hurry.

        All these "auditors" did, most likely, is just make sure the total over here was the same as over there and double check some arithmetic. There was no digging into the assumptions or validating the basic numbers - they were just checking the decorations.

        A certain hard drive manufacturer in the US, which no longer exists, was at one point claiming a value many times its actual worth, with large "orders" of stuff actually sent *to* itself, consisting of empty boxes. But having those "hard drives in shipment" let them claim way more inventory than they really had. After a while, building bricks were placed in the boxes so they had weight, thus creating truly bricked hard drives, without the drives.

        1. Mike Timbers

          Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

          Amazing! I referred to the exact same company and story of bricks on these very forums just a few days ago :) Small world!

          1. VanguardG

            Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

            Different company, I was referencing Miniscribe.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

        They did do the due diligence. Leo didn't read the report.

        1. TonyJ Silver badge

          Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

          "...They did do the due diligence. Leo didn't read the report...

          I've commented pretty much the same here several times over the years.

          But it's even worse than just that: The whole things was rushed. There was never going to be time to do even a half-decent audit, but... the then CFO of HP told Leo that the purchase made no sense, that it didn't fit with the HP business and that it was a waste of money. He ignored her - wll, according to her own testaments, he shouted at her and threatened her etc.

          And bear in mind that this was the same Leo who announced that he wanted to sell off the HP x86 business because the margins were too tight. Who cares if happened to make a shit-ton of profit due to the sheer volumes of sales? This was a man in charge of a business that he simply did not understand.

          This IS a test of sorts. I'd be very, very surprised if the UK court finds Lynch guilty from the reporting here on El Reg alone, which will surely weaken the case for extradition significantly. The question if that is the case, though, is whether our government have the cojones to stand up against the world's largest playground bully.

          Remember this is a country that has a "justice" system that is entirely predicated on being punitive.

          1. JassMan Silver badge
            Joke

            Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

            Remember this is a country that has a "justice" system that is entirely predicated on being punitive

            Remember this is a country that has a "justice" system that is entirely predicated on having access to the most expensive lawyers. FTFY

          2. iron Silver badge

            Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

            Not only did Leo want to sell the profitable x86 business but by announcing it ahead of time he spooked conservative corporate buyers and killed said profit before he could offload it. Really Leo should be in the dock over the way he destroyed HP.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

              And Ray Lane and Meg are culpable as well. They were on the board and meant to be looking after the interests of shareholders .... It's takes more than one incompetent loon to lose $9bn on an acquisition .....

              1. ToddRundgrensUtopia

                Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

                Not Meg's fault, she was listening to Kenny Rodgers through her headphones

          3. jmch Silver badge

            Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

            "Remember this is a country that has a "justice" system that is entirely predicated on being punitive."

            Not surprising, given the massive presence of private, for-profit prisoners whose bottom line depends on an endless supply of new inmates, and whose financial incentives are to create repeat offenders rather than rehabilitated citizens.

        2. ManMountain1

          Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

          I bet the report didn't say don't buy them, they're dodgy.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

            Leo wouldn't know. He didn't read it.

      3. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

        If a US company takes over a UK company and loses money as a result

        Don't worry - just look at the corporate soverignity provisions in the various US trade agreements and this is a part of it - if a US company loses money as the result of a foreign government decision then that US company has the right to take the country to a special court and sue them for all the money they think they have lost..

        Still think a US trade deal is a good idea? I can easily a big tobacco or oil company suing the UK because Government policy limits their ability to make money here..

    2. macjules Silver badge

      Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

      +1 as you beat me to it.

    3. oiseau Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

      ... well set a precedent for what we can expect from a UK/US trade deal...

      Nah!

      You don't have to wait that long.

      Be absolutely certain that with Johnson and his Tory DHs at the helm, the only thing that the UK can expect from any deal with Trump's US is to get thoroughly screwed over.

      It will start with the takeover of the NHS, continue with chlorinated chickens and then go on to GM crops dumped in the UK market.

      O.

      1. Cederic Silver badge

        Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

        What's a "DH"?

        Actually, no, don't worry. I'll go and ask someone that isn't trying to spread FUD.

        1. oiseau Silver badge
          Happy

          Re: Trade deal - test for the UK government

          Hello:

          ... go and ask someone that isn't trying to spread FUD.

          You give me far too much credit, I'm not trying to spread anything.

          It's already been spread, and quite thoroughly at that.

          As for what being a DH is/means, you can ask this one.

          O.

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