back to article Trolling in the Reg's forums... we mean, er, 'working' on the train still rubbish thanks to patchy data coverage

As well as the traditional New Year's price hikes, UK rail commuters face an additional humiliation – data speeds aren't increasing as fast as they might. RootMetrics issued a comparative performance of how much of a rail journey can access 4G data for the duration of the journey. Apart from the West Coast Main Line, there was …

  1. ukgnome Silver badge
    Angel

    Trolling?

    Who Us?

    We wouldn't dream of it?

  2. Aladdin Sane Silver badge
    Trollface

    They see me trollin'

    They hatin'

  3. Alistair Silver badge
    Windows

    I'm not sure we've really that many trolls here. And I'm rather guessing neither BJ or BB are to be found on the UK rail system, although they may well be found in an Amtrak rail station bathroom on occasion. AMfM however, may well be a permanent resident of one of the carriages of the UK rail system. Or perhaps a switch. Somewhere in the Midlands. Downwind of a chemical factory perhaps.

    1. ArrZarr Silver badge
      Alien

      Personally, I've always considered AMfM to make the most sense when you take the name literally.

      1. Aladdin Sane Silver badge

        Do you remember the time I knew a girl from Mars? I don't know if you knew that.

        1. TimMaher

          Didn’t know you came from Slough.

    2. CountCadaver

      Are we sure AMfM isn't the modern equivalent of the old Soviet "numbers" stations, gibberish to any outsider, but to someone with the right code book a font of information?

      That or their posts are either too much access to onboard "refreshments" (for example try sitting next to someone on the plymouth to Dundee crosscountry whose been drinking since plymouth and your now at Durham.... OR the result of multiple passes through "google translate"

      1. Z80
        Trollface

        There may not be many trolls but there's no shortage of people who'd point out that you ought to have written "... who's been drinking since Plymouth and you're now at Durham..." or would at least upvote someone else for doing so.

        1. Aladdin Sane Silver badge

          Obligatory upvote is obligatory.

  4. ARGO

    Best connectiviity routing?

    There was somebody punting that at Mobile World Congress a couple of years back. Never heard of it since....

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The failure of Telcos to properly provision cell sites along rail routes is the cause of this.

    Instead of the standard circular cell approach, they instead should be focusing the coverage directionally along rail routes along the path of the track. Such approaches are used elsewhere in the world - even in Afghanistan coverage is available along the major travel routes by the use of this technique.

    This is not new technology.

    If the Telcos won't deliver, the government should legislate.

    1. werdsmith Silver badge

      But the mobile signal coverage is needed in the adjacent fields where the cows have remote monitoring collars on.

    2. tfewster Silver badge

      Why does government need to get involved? I expect the Telcos would be happy to install more cell sites and the issue is that RailTrak (?) won't give them the land.

  6. Binraider666

    Productivity funk...

    ...Define productivity?! Not posting comments on El Reg? :-)

    HS2's main benefit for me is that it'll take traffic off the older line from Marlylebone to Birmingham. Might even be able to get a seat at peak times. Ha!

    If I happen to be able to get wireless or 4G in work time, that's a bonus, but I would never count on either to be able to do anything other than maybe a bit of proofreading.

    1. Mo'Fo B'dass

      Re: Productivity funk...

      A seat...you'll be lucky. If it turns out that capacity is freed up elsewhere and people can actually sit down at peak times then - clearly - there's an oversupply of carriages so they will reduce them...so you'll still end up standing at peak times even if there are fewer passengers. Seats are overrated IMO. If you get one then - as sure as eggs is eggs - you'll get a fat bloke standing next to you with his arse in yer face emitting last nights curry farts straight down your gob. Then you'll throw up on your laptop and no worky stuff for you - 3g, 4g or 5g or that H thing that I see on my phone most days. Pah! I spit on the UK train companies.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Productivity funk...

      HS2's main benefit for me is that it'll take traffic off the older line from Marlylebone to Birmingham. Might even be able to get a seat at peak times. Ha!

      As a regular user of that line I've never had much of a problem getting a seat. And even if that has become a problem, it'd be easy enough to replace the horrible multiple units with more of the Mainline Silver trains, and put a couple of additional carriages in.

      1. CountCadaver

        Re: Productivity funk...

        Train seats in the UK are generous compared to Spain, I was using their high speed trains a few years back and the legroom was either designed for the vertically challenged or young children in mind...

  7. The Original Steve

    Just changed jobs from working at a regional MSP to a consultant for a very large integrator. As such I hop from client location to client location and I charge for my time etc.

    I love driving, and opt to take the car for work and claim millage. However my next client is about 5 hours away by train, 4 hours by car. I was rather surprised to see that if I'm travelling via train the time is billable to the client as I'm expected to be working - unlike in the car.

    Which means I'll likely be taking the train to my next gig rather than my much loved car, not for any eco reason or cost, but purely because I don't need to make up the time travelling.

    Of course if there's no signal for me to work, that's not my fault... ;)

    1. Coofer Cat

      My 40 odd miles out of London and into Kent has wifi the whole way. You can't get actual Internet connectivity around London Bridge station (yes, that's the new one they just built), and of course you don't get any in tunnels, or cuttings or a few other places. Where it does work, it's often pretty slow, although credit where it's due, when my phone says there's "H+" and full bars, the wifi is usually fairly decent.

      In short - it's okay for sending and receiving emails which come and go as they please. Browsing the web is sort of possible, but it's best to 'preload' a bunch of tabs when you get the chance. Trying to maintain an SSH session is just an exercise in futility. Even keeping your VPN open is a tricky business.

      So on-train 'productivity' is the sort of thing an MP considers 'productivity'. That is, reading emails and sending replies. Not doing any real work ;-)

  8. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Warning

    Can we have one where software has been written by anyone traveling by train? I would imagine the ability to concentrate in that environment would be (at best) marginal.

    P.S. I wonder if that's where the usual crappy suspects get their software done.

    1. M.V. Lipvig
      Trollface

      Re: Warning

      So whacher tryin ta say here is Bill rode a lota trains, izzat whatcher sayin there bub?

  9. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

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    1. Cliff Thorburn

      Re: There's always something to do and getting it done is not difficult nowadays, is it?

      I will try and ask via the power of closed questioning amFM ...

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      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: There's always something to do and getting it done is not difficult nowadays, is it?

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        1. Cliff Thorburn

          Re: There's always something to do and getting it done is not difficult nowadays, is it?

          Well that at least is a fairly logical answer amFM.

          Setting aside the John Connor esque antics which frankly couldn’t be further from the truth, I would much rather just see some form of endpoint to all of this.

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          https://youtu.be/LQiOA7euaYA

          1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

            Re: There's always something to do and getting it done is not difficult nowadays, is it?

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            Such is a natural logical progression which increases in pace at an exponential rate.

            1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

              Re: There's always something to do and getting it done is not difficult nowadays, is it?

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              1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

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              2. Tail Up

                Re: There... ...is it?

                "Plain Planet ...."

                Any proposals to name to start with all necessary experirnce and common sence? Yet dotted?(-;

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                Re: CT's "Russian Spies" - out of fashion already, but - ok, the more paper, the cleaner is the output socket.

                As I remember, one of the top savvy staff, and what a bugged payload... Hope one can cope up with this mess of misconceptions.

                1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

                  There... ...it is .... a CryptICQuestion

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                  1. Tail Up

                    Re: There... ...it is .... a CryptICQuestion

                    Ah.... can there be a cogent reply?

                2. Cliff Thorburn

                  Re: There ‘... ...’ it is!

                  Thanks for the Heads Up, Tail Up :-)

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                  All in IT together.

  10. Dr_N Silver badge
    Trollface

    3G is good enough...

    ...for people on public transport.

    It's not like they're being forced to use WAP over GPRS or anything.

    [This Post Was Brought To You In Glorious 4G From The Comfort Of My Own Home.]

    1. M.V. Lipvig

      Re: 3G is good enough...

      Ah, let them watch cake gifs, eh?

  11. Tom Paine Silver badge

    London

    Ten years ago I was unsurprised to be sold a phone and then warned that there was no coverage for 10 miles around my address; this was the wilds of the remote west country with a relatively sparse population and a lot of hills and valleys, and the sales droid was in sales. (I shoul dbe surprised there's STILL no signal in my old home area, but that's life.) what astonished me was moving to the SE and finding even 3g disappearing completely for substantial stretches of my train journey whilst well inside the M25. (yes this the Thameslink N-S line I'm talking to.) I mean... Hendon?? How can there not be 5 bars in Hendon or Cricklewood or Kentish bloody Town for heaven's sake?

    Oh, it makes me _mad._

    1. Roj Blake Silver badge

      Re: London

      It you're travelling during the rush hour, then it's possible that local cells near to the railway lines are being overwhelmed when a train with 1,000+ commuters trying to change their Fantasy Football team goes past.

      I say this because coverage on my own route into London (from the Hampshire/Surrey border) is awful during peak times but pretty decent at other times.

  12. Steve Medway

    Improved West Coast Mainline coverage, you're having a laugh. When improved means from going from super shit to just shit it's still crap that isn't actually usable.

    Just DON'T get me started on those tinted Virgin Train Windows that were deliberately designed to reflect mobile signals to force you to buy the pitiful (now free) WiFi (not even youtube-able at 240p) from 10 years ago either...

    Hint to Virgin Trains, take that crap off your windows and you might actually have some happier customers (well apart from those annoyed by businessmen tossers who think how loud they can talk about their next 'Blue Sky' meeting is a measure of their dick size).

    1. imanidiot Silver badge

      But.. That IS a measure of their dick size. I'ts just that it's an inverse relation instead of the one they imagine it to be.

  13. Stu J

    Definite improvement...

    I've just started commuting by train again after a hiatus of about 7 years, and was pleasantly surprised that I get 4G almost all the way to work - good enough to maintain a usable SSH session, and to actually "work" on the train.

    The journey takes about an hour, and is mostly rural, and 7 years ago there was bugger all coverage for most of it - and what there was was 2G at best in the small towns and villages, and very little in-between. Now it seems the only not-spot is as we come into the suburbs on the edge of the city...

  14. SNAFUology
    Trollface

    So change the "Post anonymously? " icon to the troll icon already

    you could swap them over anonymous for troll & troll for anonymous icon.

    might be a motivation to come clean - ghosts in the machine

  15. W.S.Gosset Bronze badge

    HS2

    Worth pointing out that the actual train/rail infrastructure engineers hated the rebadging of the network uprating as "high speed". It had nothing to do with speed. It was/is all about Capacity. The demand has massively outgrown the supply, and what is now being badged by moronic public servants and politicians as "high speed" is actually just a broadening and thickening of the capacity in order to cope with the next 20yrs worth of expected population growth.

  16. 27escape

    80% on the west coast mainline

    I would say that I got maybe 20% between Liverpool and Glasgow and then only when arriving at stations. Potentially then, it will depend on the signal supplier, unless this is an aggregate of all of them

    1. Tom 38 Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: 80% on the west coast mainline

      Sorry, I think you got confused - when they're talking about trains, its just the ones that go in and out of London they care about.

  17. PeteCarr

    Side note - Marks Tey to Sudbury Branchline

    Pretty sure the picture of the train used in this article is at Marks Tey station and runs on the "Gainsborough" branch line to Sudbury operated by Greater Anglia. I can confirm there is no WiFi on this service. :)

  18. Big_Boomer

    Backhaul

    The really crazy thing about this is that a lot of UKs backhaul passes through fibres running alongside the rail lines. Yes, just feet from your windows there is a bundle of fibres carrying many many TB/s of data but you can't get at it. Pretty soon the train companies will wise up and start offering 5G in each carriage so you can watch your personal choice of drivel whilst travelling. As for people doing work on trains, you are not as common as you think. Most of us relish the downtime away from the "always available" society. Personally whilst on the train I often put my phone on silent because I don't want to speak to anyone, put the headphones in, crank up some Nile or other Technical Death Metal, and bury my head in a good Sci-Fi novel. People tend to leave you alone when yer grunting "There is no God..." in time with the tagline in "Kafir". :D

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