back to article Estonian ex-foreign sec urges governments: Get cosy with the private sector on cybersecurity

Governments need to "turn from public private partnership slogans to real partnerships" on cybersecurity, former Estonian foreign minister Marina Kaljurand told the Black Hat infosec conference in London this morning. In a wide-ranging speech where she talked about everything from diplomacy to the relationship between states, …

  1. Semtex451 Silver badge
    Alien

    Which reminds me, I gots to get me one of their swanky e-citizenships.

  2. Joe Harrison Silver badge

    You can't but praise how well Estonia has built its digital infrastructure. I keep thinking about their e-citizenship but problem is how many people really want to open an Estonian bank account or create an Estonian company? They'd be better off selling real citizenship to people who wanted to remain in the EU.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    where are xxxxx country?

    because of Integrity Initiative of Fife, because of Gladio, because of waving the wrong, false, flag on occasions

    some places think before saying or acting - sorry that's not a modern response - EE is a nice place tho'

  4. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

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    "Cyber is so wide that states alone cannot be sufficient in providing security," she said. "It is a space where the private sector owns nearly all digital and physical assets and has the best experts. It's the sphere where civil society can produce norms, recommendations for responsible state behaviour, it is a space where civil society is also the watchdog of civil rights." .... Marina Kaljurand

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  5. ArrZarr Silver badge

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    You're losing your touch, it almost does make sense.

    And that last paragraph is even recognisable English. You feeling okay?

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    You're losing your touch, it almost does make sense. ... ArrZarr

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  7. Robert Helpmann?? Silver badge
    Headmaster

    Re: In Order to Capture the Caress of AlMighty Core Forces with Perfect Resources Use Heavenly Amm0

    And it passed with flying colours:-)

    From the down-votes, it would see that some folks think that "passed" is as good a euphemism as any.

  8. Crazy Operations Guy

    POlitician praising the private sector?

    Let me guess, she, or someone in her family and close friends, now owns a cyber security consultancy company.

    Something I've seen time and time again is politicians being utter incompetents at solving a problem or just tend to ignore a little issue that can be easily solved until it becomes some massive problem that is nearly impossible to fix. Then when they leave office, suddenly they found the big solution to the problem in the form of a private company that seems to know a little too much about specific challenges of solving the problem, and is willing to work with the government for a "reasonable" fee.

    The former politician then decides they believe in the company so much that they decided to invest in their radical solution. Sure, it looks like the politician had been leaking information to a private company this whole time, and is now receiving a massive payoff, but that's just what one of those evil "Enemies of the State" would think.

  9. Teiwaz Silver badge

    Re: POlitician praising the private sector?

    Something I've seen time and time again is politicians being utter incompetents at solving a problem or just tend to ignore a little issue that can be easily solved until it becomes some massive problem that is nearly impossible to fix.

    I've no idea about her specifically, but isn't Estonia that Baltic country* that sort of did that e-gov thing quite well, unlike the series of long drawn out car crash events that is the UK (plus a few train wrecks for good measure).

  10. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Re: POlitician praising the private sector?

    Is that the system working, Crazy Operating Guy, or is it just a temporary fix on crashing systems?

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  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Translation

    We, the government, want closer cooperation with the private sector. This means we will tell the private sector what to do and they will just do it without complaint. So when we ask to violate the privacy of our slaves, subjects, saps who voted for us, um citizens, they will roll over and do it for us.

    And when we want to attribute bad behaviour to our political rivals, the private sector will concur without hesitation.

    The government, in return, will pass on overinflated contracts for the private sector to grow fat upon.

  12. Cliff Thorburn

    “or act against as a foe to be vanquished and vapourised/crashed and crushed as needs dictate and sweet blind justice demands and depends.”

    You really can’t make this up anymore amfM, its like a dystopian nightmare where the observers seemingly have no comprehension of their contribution.

    “We are a country that operates under the rule of law”

    Theresa May

    Which laws precisely?, do the laws of Coercion, Duress, Human Rights, Privacy, Unlawful Surveillance to name but a limited few not incorporate in such?

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  13. hammarbtyp Silver badge

    She pretty well echo's what Bruce Schneier wrote in "Click Here to Kill Everybody"

  14. Potemkine! Silver badge

    EOW

    So, a Social Democrat asks to work with private companies, and Right-Wing Conservatives "let the private sector sink or swim."... Has anyone doubt about the End of the World coming?

  15. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Re: EOW

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  16. Cliff Thorburn

    And what exactly would it be that is required to fix such calamity amfM?, virtual or physical presentation to virtual and/or all real audiences?, a quick upgrade/downgrade of connected devices?, or dressing as Santa and appearing at the former employers Xmas Party?

    I actually believe that there is a belief that this was self inflicted woe, when those in the ayes and noes will be much more aware of the underlying reasons for the current state of play.

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  17. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

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