back to article If Shadow Home Sec Diane Abbott can be reeled in by phishers, truly no one is safe

While fraudsters traditionally prey on the gullible and feeble-minded, their wicked ways have ensnared British Labour MP Diane Abbott. The UK Shadow Home Secretary admitted to handing over control of her computer to a stranger after a random caller asked her to install Remote PC. It's a common scam. Once the miscreant has …

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She's thick as mince and an Arts grad to boot. Why should she be any better at spotting a phishing call than 99% of the population?

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Failing to spot an IT security problem does not make you "thick as mince." Unless maybe you are an IT security pro, and then only maybe.

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Failing to spot an IT security problem does not make you "thick as mince." Unless maybe you are an IT security pro, and then only maybe.

My eighty year old parents, with no IT training whatsoever know these things are scams. Anybody that pays any attention to the news knows they are scams. If you think that you need to be an IT Pro to spot this particular scam, then maybe this is the wrong forum for you?

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'Failing to spot an IT security problem does not make you "thick as mince."'

Maybe not but she has already proven herself to be thick as mince in many other ways.

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@Joe Harrison. "Failing to spot an IT security problem does not make you "thick as mince." "

Failing to spot that a cold caller telling you have a problem and not doing your ABC makes her thick as mince. (ABC: Assume Nothing, Believe No one, Challenge Everything).

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ABC: Assume Nothing, Believe No one, Challenge Everything

Wear tin foil?

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Sure, she has.

Care to name any, or just going to throw shade at one of the few decent MP's..

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She might be a decent person - no arguments but she is not an MP material. We "look up" to these people to protect our interests.

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You get the government you deserve.

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At least she uses a PC

Whoever the current home secretary is (they will likely have changed by the time I Google it) probably has someone to do it for them.

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Your first mistake was looking up at these people. (Hint wrong direction)

Your second mistake was expecting that weak line of argument to carry any weight.

Hint, we elect MP's as that is the *only* say we get, not for whatever nonsense you have larded that bald fact with.

She's been a consistuency mp for a long time, she's very well regarded.

Interesting venn diagram showing the overlap between people who don't like her and their other political view points..

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"thatsthejoke.png"

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@ Mycho

"You get the government you deserve."

I am not sure how you got downvoted for that comment. It is the collective responsibility to elect the government. If we vote for jellyfish that is what we get, if we vote for incompetents thats what we get, if we vote for communists thats what we get.

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Rubbish - we have grade boundaries which determine who we elect in which seats.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/liam-anderson/voters-per-mp-why-first-past-post-failed

Bluntly it cheaper in terms of votes to elect a tory, next it's labour, then the others.

As an example in 2015, LibDems took 8 seats with 2.4 million votes while UKIP 3.8 mllion votes got one seat.

It's dodgy on both sides, and now the tories have taken it to its logical conclusion and abolished the oppostions strongholds, e.g. Corbyns seat. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/10/uk-parliamentary-boundary-changes-final-plans-unveiled

We get the govenment that the shire impose on us, until such time as the country is sufficently messed up that even the tory voters vote for change.

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I assume you're trolling, but off the top of my head;

The fact she's a Labour MP 100% behind state education, but sent her kid to a private school.

What, hypocrite, moi?!

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"Wear tin foil?"

There's a world of difference between a bit of due diligence and wearing a tin foil hat

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"You get the government you deserve."

I don't necessarily disagree however... until we have a "none of the above, please think about your offer again" box to tick; we simply get the government we have to vote for.

Since I take my franchise quite seriously my vote is more often than not a "least objectionable" rather than an "actively like" because to not vote leaves me without any kind of voice or right to complain.

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No - Total respect for not pretending the public schooling system is not shite.

Total respect for putting her kid above her reputation.

And if you think I wouldn't fuck you and everyone you know over to help my child, you are sadly mistaken.

She is trying to make stuff better for all of us, but unwilling to throw her kid under the bus to avoid the likes of you, trying to make cheap points.

Good for her, and good that she has the backbone to defend her choices.

"I had to choose between my reputation, whatever reputation I have for consistency, and my son - and I chose my son.

"Obviously, inevitably, I have been very damaged by this. But as I say, I had to choose, in a way, between my own interests and my son's interests.

"All I can do is continue to campaign on issues around education and on issues of gun crime for the benefit of a whole generation of young men in our inner cities."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/nov/05/labour.uk

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It's worse than that, as all the elected id10t's are utterly ignorant of modern technology.

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You are being a bit insulting there I think most of the populace can tell a scam, and just tell them to fuck off at least that is what I do been phoned many times given the same response.

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@AC: "Wear tin foil?"

Nope, ABC is the mantra for Forensic examination. It applies elsewhere however, like when people speak.

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Thanks you.

Mind you my eighty year old Parents also still have their wits about them. For those that don't though caring pros should fine tune their experience so as to minimize their possible exposure.

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codejunky,

What did we do to get 'Rightwing Incompetent Jellyfish' ??? :)

[Excluding the Labour contingent as they are barely able to qualify as a Political Party with the amount of infighting & general abdication of their role as an opposition to the existing govt aka 'Rightwing Incompetent Jellyfish'.]

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had to choose, in a way, between my own interests and my son's interests.

She had to choose between privilege of rank and position and upholding and living by the values of her political party and it's socialist position and she chose privilege.

This is why there's no choice between the parties any more.

People should be aware this is why there is little earnest drive to improve public education, out leader have no stake in the outcome beyond ensuring the buck doesn't pause outside their door and hinder their career prospects.

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[casual racism intensifies]

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That's a bit unfair as health secretary Matt Hancock has his very own app.

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@fnusnu

"[Diane Abbott]'s as thick as mince and an Arts grad to boot"

I can't say I'm a great fan of Diane Abbott, but considering that she passed her 11 plus, got to grammar school, then earned a place at Cambridge University, she can't be thick.

Arts graduate? - she got a desmond[1] in history. Well, okay, that translates to "not technically minded". She's also clearly not as suspicious, cynical, and mistrustful as the average El Reg reader; but is that a character flaw on her part or on ours?

[1] 2:2. Not the best, but nothing to be ashamed of.

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@Ledswinder

"My eighty year old parents, with no IT training whatsoever know these things are scams."

So do my 80-ish year old parents. But my 48 year old little brother - the one who's an nuclear engineer with plenty of IT training - very nearly fell for one of these rotters. He's honest and straightforward and tends to assume other people are too. He's rather more trusting than the rest of his immediate family, including his children.

As for myself: I tell them I know that they're crooks. Some of them get very cross. I've been known to laugh at their raging.

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I am not sure how you got downvoted for that comment.

I knew it would happen, because I interrupted people's casual smart-signalling.

There's a lot of arguing about virtue signalling, but what all these things boil down to is the primary school tradition of insulting someone for being X to imply you're the opposite of X.

Whether X is immoral, thick, bad dress sense, poor taste in music, people need to be accused of it so you can imply you're the opposite. You're moral, smart, look like sex on a stick and know all the latest tunes. But you're also kinda lame if you have to do that. Just saying.

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We don’t deserve this government, or the ‘opposition’.... but in our two party state there is no escape from this hell.

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Failing to spot an IT security problem does not make you "thick as mince."

That's not what was implied. It was the other way around, i.e. that "if you're as thick as mince, you're not likely to spot an IT security problem"

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The fact she's a Labour MP 100% behind state education, but sent her kid to a private school.

What, hypocrite, moi?!

I'm no Dianne Abbott fanboy, or private school advocate, but I can't see why that makes her a hypocrite.

Labour aren't in power. She could easily say "I'm 100% for supporting state schools, but the current government has left them in such a mess that they are not up to scratch. We all want the best for our children, and as I'm in a fortunate position to be able to do so, I've had to send them to private schools"

Now, if she was the minister in charge or education, then she'd be a hypocrite, much like the moron "Betsy de Vos" in charge of the American system (who was well placed, because Republicans are determined to screw up state education)

CNN: DeVos struggles to answer questions about schools in home state (YOUTUBE)

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We don’t deserve this government, or the ‘opposition’.... but in our two party state there is no escape from this hell.

I escaped. There are literally tens of marginally-less-shit countries out there.

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> You get the government you deserve.

Perhaps the reason behind it is that political parties target the population to the left of the IQ bell curve ( I dare say they are more pliable ) and telling them what to hear regardless if it is in the best interest of the country in general.

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@AC

to be fair both the major parties bareley qualify, as the only reasonfor all this brexit mess was trying to hold the Conservative Party together.

and this lot didnt win, in fact at the last GE no-body won, and Teresa had to make a deal with the uber right wing from NI just to get anything done.

@everyone else

Diane Abbot is a numpty, but so are most of the MPs, there are few exceptions, we need more MPs with some work/life experience outside of politics, but in this country its hard to get into in later life.

The political system in terms of FPP is broken, it leads to a two party system, and both of them are broken, on both sides of the pond.

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@AC

"What did we do to get 'Rightwing Incompetent Jellyfish' ??? :)"

People voted for jellyfish who say whatever they want to hear. Blair had to lie constantly, Brown got caught on air, Clegg had to trade on the undeliverable, Cameron tied his position to something he desperately wouldnt deliver etc. Brown is the only one not elected (passed on from Blair) and the others were pretty boy (I think they should form a boy band) but jellyfish.

And I am not convinced by the right-wing aspect either. Blair was a massive spend big gov lefty but was less anti business than the communist/fascist parts of the party (apparently the nazi manifesto would pass as the labour one today if the Aryan stuff was removed). Under the current lot we are still spending more than Brown in the boom and the tories keep moving left into the 'new labour' territory (again just to collect votes).

We keep hearing about austerity which we dont have. We are still PC, perpetually offended and big gov. And of the voters we have the new generations who seem blind to socialist policies actually being applied in the world and the ruin of countries and lives because of it. 5th/6th richest country (not arguing about the position) and yet some of the claims of our poor country are shocking.

Sorry for the long reply and I too wonder how labour could dig itself out of its current situation but also wonder what will replace the tories if they dont shape up. Either someone with a spine needs to take over the various parties or people will surely move to new ones with actual leadership.

(btw upvote from me. Dunno who downvoted you)

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I make that - ANBNOCE.

Shome mishtake, shurely?

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Where to? What's the weather like?

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Surely it's more tinfoil to believe someone has magical powers, and can sense your PC issues from India, call you at random, offering a fix?!

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I lead them on for a bit then pretend I'm getting excited and fapping. Confuses the hell out of them.

Sometimes if I'm already on the laptop I will play farmyard sounds down the phone ... especially cows mooing. If I can figure out religious leanings then the odd oink works a treat.

For UK based cold call waste of time bastards, Getting a good Hitler speech playing in the background is a comedy bonus.

Sadly I don't get so many calls now.

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Given that the Conservatives have been doing their best to destroy public education at all levels since Thatcher, it is amazing that there are any public schools left.

Ordinarily the Conservatives would not actually be able to do anything, but when it comes to austerity - cutting public services to reduce taxes for their plutocrat backers - they are masters.

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She had to choose between privilege of rank and position and upholding and living by the values of her political party and it's socialist position and she chose privilege.

No she had a choice between giving her kid the best she could or the schools in hackney at the time, which were dreadful and are now much better, I want principled politicians but the person who puts their political future ahead of their child's future is not a good parent. And conversely she was as good as her word, those schools are hugely better now.

She worked her arse off to get where she is, why should she not help her kid.. Do you seriously expect people to disadvantage their children in the hope of appealing to some random, less interested in "why the schools were allowed to fall into such a state", than claiming a scalp for inconsistency.

I don't quite see the issue, unless you'd like to insist that a market in providing educational services should be the exclusive preserve of the public sector. That's never been labour policy to my knowledge, so it's seems consistent to say "School is too shit for my kid, tough that you can't exercise that choice, but I'll do my best to make sure that your kids school is fixed ASAP".

This is why there's no choice between the parties any more.

Bullshit. flat out bullshit. Voting tory = "renting the house to a crackhead".

Voting Green = "Homoeopathic levels of belief in my vote mattering to someone"

Voting Labour = "Roulette", You could get a Liability (Kinnock), a Tory(Blair), a Wet(Miliband) a Democrat(Corbyn), Opportunistic sleazeball(Chukka)"

How can you not be thankful for such an embarrassment of riches.

People should be aware this is why there is little earnest drive to improve public education, out leader have no stake in the outcome beyond ensuring the buck doesn't pause outside their door and hinder their career prospects.

Flagrantly untrue, the drop in standards is due to Blair's target of increasing participation at university level without addressing the route cause, e.g. childcare provision. Resulting in pressure to assemble course in ways that are easier to assess without having to assume a larger body of pre-existing knowledge, at each level of schooling post-nursery. The quality of after school care and the chances to passive learn something fun are also not evenly distributed.

You cannot slate him for doing something, while also saying noone has any interest in doing something.

Lots of people are trying, it's a really hard problem, and so far all our efforts are just keeping level, much less impovement.

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"The political system in terms of FPP is broken, it leads to a two party system"

And as such, the two parties DO NOT want it changed.

It took a lot of effort to get New Zealand switched over to MMP - and only because politicians from both main parties were silly enough to make noises in favour of it when opposition. This was used against them when they got to power and tried to sweep it under the carpet.

It's rather telling that when NZ switched, the establishment tried very hard to convince the public to vote to stay with FPTP or go to the least proportional system (the same one that was on the referendum here) - only to find out in a fairly overwhelming turnout (twice!) that the electorate wanted a change and they wanted MMP.

The extablishment also tried to convince the electorate that they should go back to FPTP after the 20 year trial period in a recent referendum (or change to another form of Proportional representation) - and found out yet again that the electorate LIKE this new form of representation very much thank you and would like to keep it.

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"Brown is the only one not elected"

Please tell me when the last popular vote for a Prime Minister took place.

Last time I checked, the party with the most votes (or members in the house) formed a committee and picked someone to be their Prime Minister, then that person trotted off to Buck Palace to be asked by Lizzie Windsor if he or she would like to be appointed as Prime Minister for a while.

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> The fact she's a Labour MP 100% behind state education, but sent her kid to a private school.

They all do this. It's a constantly recurring theme. Yes, it sounds hypocritical, but I suspect the real reason is down to the secret police, who find it much easier to protect $politician's child in a private school than a state school. Not to mention some control of bullying (yes, I know private schools are noted for it. But it's WITH the staff's knowledge and tacit support, not beyond it).

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Nurse, nurse Sed Gawk is out of bed again!

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The last two home secretaries (I can't even remember who the current one is) have hardly shone in the IT department.

Do you think they'd even admit to it, though ?

It would be nice to have both, but if forced to choose, I prefer honesty to ability.

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Where to? What's the weather like?

Weather's pretty shit, politicians would probably be as bad if they could work out how to consolidate power like the British lot did. Nobody's trying to sacrifice any demographic containing me in order to shore up their political status so I consider it a win.

Your situation is different to mine so which country is marginally less shit for me may be different to which country is marginally less shit for you. Feel free to do some research, the world is big.

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Totally agree FPTP is a travesty and both sides should have fixed it.

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