back to article Has science gone too far? Now boffins dream of shining gigantic laser pointer into space to get aliens' attention

Space agencies and private citizens spend millions of dollars and countless hours hunting for signs of extraterrestrial life. Yet, there may be an easier way to find intelligent civilizations, according to a pair of researchers from MIT in the US. Instead of sending spacecraft out into space or listening for a signal on …

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  1. Obesrver1
    Devil

    They threw in the idea of big flashing arrows and a sign we are here.

    It seems we don't have any advanced tech that aliens want.

    So now we have to go back to provoking them to get them to come here and tell us to stop.

    Makes sense once you get over the fact that aliens never probed peoples' backsides - it was rodents eating into cows via the easiest method; or abducting people - it was a person with hydrocephalus, and little medical record of procedure to remedy it, causing nightly pressure on her brain & visuals caused a blinding whitening effect;

    1. jmch Silver badge

      "It seems we don't have any advanced tech that aliens want."

      If we have tech that is more advanced than that of any hypothetical intelligent technological aliens, even if any of them lived within range of this laser they wouldn't be able to detect it. If they CAN detect it and are so (realtively) close, they probably already know about us.

      Given galactic timescales it's incredibly improbable that any aliens within range are at the exact point in their development that they can detect (and possibly reply to) this signal, but not yet be able to travel intergalactically.

      1. Captain Scarlet
        Alien

        Yes they do know about us

        and they want you to stop blowing up their homes on Mars

      2. not.known@this.address
        Alien

        "We don't have any tech that aliens want"

        Just because we seem to think science advances at the same speed in all disciplines doesn't mean any prospective aliens would agree - if they only have shallow oceans then they would never develop submarines, and if they are vegetarian then they might not have developed any weaponry since few plants run away...

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: "We don't have any tech that aliens want"

          Vegetarians would still develop weapons, because at some point they'd compete with other vegetarians for limited plant resources e.g. during drought. Humans might have originally developed weapons to kill and eat animals that run away, but we wouldn't have needed to advance beyond much beyond spears if that was the only reason. We certainly wouldn't have tanks and nukes.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    better use for the laser is to shine it onto solar sails of space craft to help them along whilst saving fuel.

  3. heyrick Silver badge

    Giant laser attached to a telescope blasting into space...

    Am I the only person on earth that has watched a movie called "Howard The Duck"? It starts off as exactly this...

    1. Francis Boyle Silver badge

      Re: Giant laser attached to a telescope blasting into space...

      No, there was this other guy, in Canada I think, who watched it as well.

      1. Tempest8008

        Re: Giant laser attached to a telescope blasting into space...

        I DID NOT!!!

      2. John Savard

        Re: Giant laser attached to a telescope blasting into space...

        Do you mean me? I lived in Canada, and I watched it, at least when it aired on premium cable.

  4. Chris King

    This won't end well...

    The aliens have probably been observing our world, and decided that we're still too primitive, stupid and violent enough to bother dealing with. ("We shall wait for the ignorant monkeys to blow themselves off the face of the planet, then begin negotiations with the cockroaches")

    What if they interpret that laser beam as saying "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" ? I mean, it's bad enough that we sent the Voyager probes out with a bunch of nude pics of ourselves and told them where we live.,

    1. Mark 85

      Re: This won't end well...

      This does have all the sense of randomly knocking on people's doors in the middle of the night. Some might be friendly but most will irritated and some percentage will be armed.

    2. Suricou Raven

      Re: This won't end well...

      They've observed our world, they just classified it under "no intelligent life."

      1. Wedge2

        Re: This won't end well...

        "They've observed our world, they just classified it under "no intelligent life."

        Mostly Harmless.

    3. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: This won't end well...

      Quote

      ("We shall wait for the ignorant monkeys to blow themselves off the face of the planet, then begin negotiations with the cockroaches")

      Hoorah my time will come.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: This won't end well...

        Hoorah my time will come.

        Despite your handle being Boris the Cockroach, I read that in Zoidberg's voice because its totally a thing he would say.

  5. katrinab Silver badge

    How would they know?

    There are things called Pulsars. How would an alien distinguish this laser from one of them?

    1. ridley

      Re: How would they know?

      The thing is with Pulsars, I mean really the main thing is that they pulse.

      1. Roj Blake Silver badge

        Re: main thing is that they pulse

        So would this laser beam (from the aliens' perspective anyway) on account of the Earth rotating.

        1. smudge

          Re: main thing is that they pulse

          So would this laser beam (from the aliens' perspective anyway) on account of the Earth rotating.

          Yes, but pulsars rotate in the order of around one second, with some going up to several hundred rotations per second.

          A wee bit different from good ol' Earth.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: how to distinguish this laser from pulsars

      Laser light is at a single frequency, pulsars are rather more broadband?

      1. AndrueC Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: how to distinguish this laser from pulsars

        Well not let's emulate a pulsar then. Broadband never seems to live up to the hype.

    3. GruntyMcPugh Silver badge

      Re: How would they know?

      @katrinab: "How would an alien distinguish this laser from one of them?"

      Pulse the Fibonacci sequence, Pulsars don't do maths. : -)

    4. Suricou Raven

      Re: How would they know?

      11000111110000000111111111110000000000000111111111111111110000000000000000000<repeat>

      Any alien looking at that would go "That's a weird star, I should watch it." After a few hours recording the signal they should realise it's unmistakably intelligent in origin.

  6. onefang
    Alien

    I, for one, welcome our new alien cat overlords. Then again, I have a neko fetish. So long as they don't look like this icon ->

    We should stock up on catnip.

  7. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge
    Black Helicopters

    If any aliens are already observing us, they're not going to like the laser. Black copter looks a bit like the laser warning ->

  8. Khaptain Silver badge

    Retina burn

    So the ALiens see the light, head towards it and then get their retinas burnt out.

    I came, I saw, I got burned......

    So I went back home thinking what a bunch of bastards...

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
      Boffin

      Re: Retina burn

      Don't be silly. They'll be wearing their JooJanta Peril Sensitive Sunglasses.

      Jeez, you guys are so unhip it's a wonder your bums don't fall off...

  9. Dan 55 Silver badge
    Alien

    Seems they've already found us... they just drove past slowly looking at the mess.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Yeah I read that article too but for scientists they aren't too smart. Why would you use an asteroid as a probe unless you wanted to hide the fact that it was a probe? And if you're doing that, why would you use an asteroid that's got a really weird shape instead of using a normal looking asteroid that blends in with the rest, and why not approach on an orbit that makes it look like it is just an asteroid on a really eccentric orbit, rather than something that's obviously from outside the solar system?

      Its like a girl trying to sneak into a sorority and not attract attention by dressing like the typical college male.

  10. MMR

    Battleship

    I always thought the Battleship movie was kinda dumb.

  11. Florida1920
    Mushroom

    Put it on the moon

    That way the aliens will shoot their photon cannons at the moon instead of Earth. What could possibly go wrong?

  12. Chemist

    Is it me ...

    or is the 'message' going to take rather a long time to reach the average star ?

    "Space is big, very big ...............you know the rest"

    1. deadlockvictim

      Re: Is it me ...

      I do. I think that the chemist's down the road is far away.

    2. DropBear

      Re: Is it me ...

      That's what happens when you mention "20000 light years" and "would get there in the few years" in the same paragraph (well okay two paragraphs away). Tsk, tsk...

      1. GruntyMcPugh Silver badge

        Re: Is it me ...

        @Dropbear ""20000 light years"

        Yeah, so Humans send the pulse, 20,000 years later intelligent aliens get the message, dispatch War Rocket Ajax, and take say, 40,000 years to get here. In that 60,000 years humans have eradicated themselves as a species, and dinosaurs walk the Earth again, leaving the aliens to wonder 'how did these big lummoxes make a laser?'

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Is it me ...

          "Yeah, so Humans send the pulse, 20,000 years later intelligent aliens get the message, dispatch War Rocket Ajax, and take say, 40,000 years to get here. In that 60,000 years humans have eradicated themselves as a species, and dinosaurs walk the Earth again, leaving the aliens to wonder 'how did these big lummoxes make a laser?'"

          Or, due to a miscalculation of scale, the entire invasion fleet gets eaten by a small dinosaur.

  13. Giovani Tapini
    Stop

    This seems quite irresponsible

    ET probably has rules about blinding pilots with lasers same as we do. Also surely by the time ET notices the transmission (possibly an eye popping sight) the signal will have passed.

    I can't imagine an ET using laser as an interstellar transmission medium though. Apart from the speed-of-light delivery there are far too many things to disrupt and weaken the signal over long distances.

    So as above, the only response this is likely to generate is a knock at the door from the interstellar police asking if we can turn off the laser, hand it over, and be forced to listen to vogon poetry for a few hours...

    1. hoola Silver badge

      Re: This seems quite irresponsible

      There really does come a point when one has to question just what some of these highly intelligent scientific types connection with reality it. It all sounds great fun and MIGHT get a response. The fact that the response could be of negative benefit to the earth just does not appear to cross these peoples minds.

      Not that many weeks ago there was a programme on the BBC following a group of researchers that had found traces of material that could contain DNA in dinosaur fossils. The plan was to then extract it and then try to create a dinosaur (I think it was something nice friendly like a T-Rex). Jurassic Park may have been fiction but the consequences of something like this are beyond comprehension. Science can provide a lot of benefits but there appears to be no ethical or moral view on some of the work.

      If the earth is a fragile ecosystem that we are already wrecking through a combination of science, greed and selfishness. Splitting the atom was a great breakthrough but the consequences are now with use pretty much for ever.

      Many of these scientist/researchers are just so focussed on what they are doing and being able to publish a great discovery that the implications just get lost. Against every discovery that has benefitted mankind, there is probably an equal, if not greater number that have not. The trouble is that impact of the negative ones if far worse than the beneficial.

      1. heyrick Silver badge

        Re: This seems quite irresponsible

        "Science can provide a lot of benefits but there appears to be no ethical or moral view on some of the work."

        Genetic modification of human embryos comes to mind here...

      2. kiwimuso
        Facepalm

        Re: This seems quite irresponsible

        @ hoola

        As always, just because you can, doesn't necessarily mean that you should!!!

  14. Neil 32

    This *really* wouldn't end well

    And not just because of the post number!

    Q: If every person on Earth aimed a laser pointer at the Moon at the same time, would it change color?

    A: https://what-if.xkcd.com/13/

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "The first contact ... could be confirmed over several years"

    For a sufficiently large value of "several". The Trappist system mentioned is 39 light years away so let's blink at it a bit today and just before the end of this century our great grandchildren can start looking for a return blink.

    "a beam could stretch to distances no more than 20,000 light years" - the earliest proto-writing we have is less than 9,000 years old. 20,000 years ago is in the Stone Age, long before the first cities, about the time that farming first became evident. In human terms this is ridiculously deep time. Space remains a lot bigger than going to the chemist's.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "The first contact ... could be confirmed over several years"

      Even for those of us who are curious about the world, any 'experiment' that will definitely take longer than our lifetime is a lot less interesting to us than something with a more immediate return. Instead of shooting lasers in random directions all over the galaxy, spend that money on a really top notch telescope array sited at multiple points along the Earth's orbit, so you can do parallax at 2AU. We'd be able to SEE if Trappist is inhabited.

      1. heyrick Silver badge

        Re: "The first contact ... could be confirmed over several years"

        "We'd be able to SEE if Trappist is was inhabited."

        There, fixed it.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    33,333 x 60W light bulbs?

    I don't think so.

    An incandescent lamp is about 1% efficient (light out to electricity in); an LED about 5% efficient.

    So to get 2MW of *output* you'd need approx 3.3 million 60W incandescent bulbs, or about 2 million 20W LED bulbs.

    1. DropBear
      Trollface

      Re: 33,333 x 60W light bulbs?

      Then again, it's 1% efficient in _visible light_ exactly because the rest is infrared - and this _was_ about an infrared laser...

    2. Mips

      60W light bulb

      Here we go the journalists are at it again. What! No Olympic sized swimming pools?

      This is a site for technologist. Why do they need to have a megawatt explained?

      Anyway my A size lamps are 7W LED not 60W incandescent. So there!

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: 60W light bulb

        "Anyway my A size lamps are 7W LED not 60W incandescent. So there!"

        That crossed my mind too. 60W light bulbs have been off the shelves for quite a while now. Are there still enough them out there to call them "average"? I'm not even sure what an "average" light bulb is these days, the range of sizes, ratings and technologies is pretty wide nowadays.

  17. Potemkine! Silver badge

    We are here, please exterminate us!

    I doubt aliens would be more pacifist than the human kind, I guess they would have gone through the same evolutionary process valuing fight over non-violence. Letting them now there could be valuable resources to pillage does not seem very clever, does it?

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