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After a hopefully relaxing weekend, we at El Reg want to kick off your week the right way – with a full-scale facepalm. And so we bring you this week's instalment of Who, Me?, where readers share their cock-ups, large and small. This week, meet "Wallace", who wrote in to tell us about a time he forgot himself – almost …

Ah, the old days

...where people shared passwords and everyone trusted each other!

BTW: I do like the line about Oracle...

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Some lab instruments rely on a local Oracle (or SQL Server) instance. When the machine is provided by the vendor, often you only realise this because the machine is so slow... You'd be surprised how unwilling some of the instrument vendors are to moving this DB onto a proper server in the datacentre!

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"You'd be surprised how unwilling some of the instrument vendors are to moving this DB onto a proper server in the datacentre!"

And I can see why.

The instrument sits on the bench here. As the instrument user I control it. What datacentre? Where? What extra cabling is needed to connect it? Who runs the data centre? Who has access?

Unless there's a specific need for an instrument to be connected to a network it should be capable of being used locally; the alternative is to introduce it into the IoT where, as we all know, the S stands for Security.

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"You'd be surprised how unwilling some of the instrument vendors are to moving this DB onto a proper server in the datacentre!"

This may be a licensing thing.

In a previous life I had to learn about Oracle licenses. If I recall, there were financial savings to be had if you were able to meet the criteria for ASFU ("application-specific") or ESL ("embedded") instead of FUR ("full-use").

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Usually, with embedded installs of SQL/Oracle/whatever database, there are no maintenance routines put in place so the system slowly grinds to a halt as the database(s) fill up, become fragmented, the filesystem fills up, etc, etc. Then you find out that all of the database access is via the system administrator account, with default passwords. This is especially true if you've paid consultants to come in and set it up who then don't have to support the system - throw it in and forget!

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128K of ISDN

Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoe box at twelve o'clock at night, and lick the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold 28.8, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for four pence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

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Re: 128K of ISDN

28.8? Luxury! My first modem was 1200 baud down, 75 baud up (enough for me, but not for a touch typist). And it got much worse from there when I had to switch from prestel to one of those new-fangled ISPs.

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Oh you had it good didn't you!

300 baud we were stuck with in the 80's. And they only gave us 0's. We had to make 1's by hammering a few 0's flat!

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1200 baud? Luxury - you had it good, My first modem was 300 baud, the size of a shoebox - I lived in the top story and got woken up every morning when they plugged the phone hand-piece into my living room.

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peasants :-) we were lucky to be round the corner from telewest house in Preston. At that time they used to server from telewest and the local area was a testing grounds for technology. Although the cable TV was still analogue we had 512k back in the late 90's and 1Mb in early 2000. The phone lines were ISDN still. The company wound up and I ended up moving to Penrith - ironically Penrith became BT test town for both ADSL max and fibre. The max meant I had 8Mb around 2002 ish; years before it was adopted elsewhere. The fibre trial didnt work out as well as the rest of the country as we only got 17Mb (which has only recently in the last few years moved up to the usual 40/80 fibre) - it wasnt really any better then everyone else ADSL 2 (but Penrith is all aluminium cable so 2 didnt work too well). The 17Mb was symmetical though and came online just before I moved around 2009- small mercies.

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Re: 1200 baud down, 75 baud up

I'm baud of this conversation now...

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300 baud, you had it lucky, I had to use 110 baud...

Ah bugger it. I mostly used 1200/75 V23 and 1200/1200 V22, but played Essex MUD a lot, and one day the JANET links went down, and the (two) direct dial numbers were only 110 baud. (Usual 300 baud modem but I had to change a jumper on my motherboard! Gosh I must have been addicted..)

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I used to be able to imitate modem negotiation over t'phone and tell a customer if they were connecting at 14.4 or 28.8. And I used to know all the major modem initialisation strings :-P

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300 baud here, but bigger than a shoebox, it was a whole floor-standing cabinet!

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You had zeros? We had to use the letter "O".

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We had PSS lines to Essex, one night op played 6 parallel characters over 6 lines to get his "team" through... The bill the company got at the end of the month was horrific!

Luckily he was on good terms with the person in charge of the comms bill, they managed to parcel the costs out over a dozen or so projects, on the promise that it never happened again!

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"You had zeros? We had to use the letter "O"."

We had to use /. It could get very turing after a long day.

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"300 baud, the size of a shoebox"

The size of a shoebox? I had to lug an acoustically coupled modem in some sort of huge sound insulation box and a teletype half way across N Ireland for OU tutorials.

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"they managed to parcel the costs out over a dozen or so projects, on the promise that it never happened again!"

And did it?

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"It could get very turing after a long day."

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Change the jumpers on the motherboard? Luxury! We had to knit the jumpers first, out of finest copper thread that we got scavenging from signal boxes on the Northern line.

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And you tell all that t'young people of today....any they wont believe you!

Or even remotely understand a single word of it. Bastards.

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1s and 0s... back in my day we had to use flags.....

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Morse code is basically 0's and 1's so you must be pre-1865. Your grey beard must be dragging on the floor behind you!

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@Doctor Syntax yes, I think he learnt his lesson.

Someone else didn't. They were caught copying software from all the Macs in the building. On night shift, he'd wander round, turning the Macs on and copy any applications he didn't already have onto floppy disk...

Only on some machines, he left the original icons in other places on the desktop, which made people suspicious.

They pulled him in and confronted him, he admitted it. Immediate dismisal and security went with him, to his flat, and collected all the floppies.

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Re: 1200 baud down, 75 baud up

Luxury...

We had 9k6... Seems OK? It was a tertiary institution and there was around 25000 staff and students.

From Monday to Friday, as long as morons weren't sending copies of Windows 95 to their home accounts (which also dates this...), we could generally process a working days e-mail in around 27-28 hours.

We caught up eventually at the weekend.

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Mose code

Is 1s and 2s

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Re: 1200 baud down, 75 baud up - "It could get very turing after a long day."

Not a typo. I hate to spell out my little jokes, but the Manchester computer apparently didn't have a ball with the correct representation of the codes, so "00000b" printed as "/". When he presented progress in London, the audience were completely thrown by this and were, of course, unable to understand the printouts. There is a legend that someone asked if all the slashes were the rain beating on the Manchester windows.

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Re: 128K of ISDN

Ahhh, ISDN. I still have my old Digi DataFire ISDN card that I used to use to dial into the US with for 64K uncontended connectivity directly into our HQ's services, instead of the crawling 33.6K (you try running Lotus Notes over PPTP on 33.6K and 16K international data throttling and tell me it's not anything but crawling) I had for standard Internet before that. The 56.6K Sportster went back into its box until I moved countries.

The phone bill dropped by almost 2/3 when that DataFire arrived and I kicked it into action...

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Re: 1200 baud down, 75 baud up

"I'm baud of this conversation now..."

Whenever an article references historical network speeds, the same pattern has emerged: El Reg sets up the jokes and the commentards modem down.

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modems..... how lucky you all were...

try an acoustic coupler !!

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1200/75? Luxury.

My first modem, I don't know what the rated speed was (somewhere between 300 and 2400), but with an acoustic coupler to the shitty carbon granule handsets and the equally shitty phone lines full of crackle and pop, and predating most error correction niceties, it was usual to see Xmodem continually resending the same block. Think a gigabyte transferred in order to receive a 20K file. Maybe not but that's what it felt like. Oh and no auto resume so if the transfer failed, you began right back at the beginning.

It was pretty normal to pick up the handset and beat the crap out of the desk with it prior to using it. Apparently shaking up the granules inside improved their shitty frequency response so you stood a slim chance that the modem might deign your connection worthy.

Now I live at the end of an insanely long bit of twisted pair and can squeeze ~4 megabit down it in the middle of a hurricaneMichael Fish says we don't get hurricanes but when a neighbour's roof blows off it's a bloody hurricane... At any rate, you haven't done comms until you've done an acoustic modem.

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I raise you X.25.

Umm, with apologies to anyone who had to wrestle with HSSI and SunLink.

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Morse code is mostly 2's and 5's - the whitespace is as important as the tones, and comes in two lengths too, giving four symbols overall.

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"You had zeros? We had to use the letter "O".

You had the letter "O"? We had to use brackets "()".

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Re: 128K of ISDN

Lotus notes is crap with any speed of connection

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"Morse code is mostly 2's and 5's - the whitespace is as important as the tones, and comes in two lengths too, giving four symbols overall."

Ah, so now I know where they got the idea for the interleaved two of five barcode!

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Re: scavenging from signal boxes on the Northern line

Interesting you should comment about knitting and Northern line signal boxes - I believe one of the sigalmen at Park Junction (probably the sparsest box on the Underground for train movements) used to make tapestries in between signalling trains.

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Re: 1200 baud down, 75 baud up

I used to fix those modems:

Prism 1000\TeleMod2

Prism 2000 (Made by Thorn-EMI 99% of the time it was a failure of the Voltage regulators).

VTX5000 - Spectrum specific.

Voyager 7 or 11 Modems (Also known as Magic Modems & Kirk's Enterprise).

Happy days & much drinking & eating in London during trade shows

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For the love of God...

Stop these shit “in my day” Monty Python pastiches. Now! The originals were barely funny. These... even less so.

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Re: For the love of God...

In my day we couldn’t even afford a pastiche...

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Happy

Re: For the love of God...

Ignore him, he's not the Messiah. He just an anonymous coward!

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Re: scavenging from signal boxes on the Northern line

The transport geek in me is curious as to where Park Junction is, now?!

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Re: where Park Junction is, now?!

There used to be a lot more to the Northern Line than there is now. If you go to East Finchley, you may wonder why are there four platforms? The outer ones go underground to Highgate, the inner ones go to a set of sidings known as Park Junction, but they also continue on, via a short tunnel, to Highgate High Level, and to other parts of north London originally on the Underground map. Though the line is disused, the track removed, you can still legitimately walk sections of it.

I used to work in that short section of tunnel between Park Junction and Highgate High Level on the Holy Grail of Railway Signal Engineering - Block-Jointless Track Circuiting. Notches were cut into the track at measured intervals and wires inserted where we could attach our measuring instruments. Our "office" was on the station, but not the waiting room as the tocal Wiccas/Druids had commandeered that for their nightly rituals.

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Re: For the love of God...

It was from At Last The 1948 Show.....

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Re: 1200 baud down, 75 baud up

> Oh you had it good didn't you!

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> 300 baud we were stuck with in the 80's. And they only gave us 0's. We had to make 1's by hammering a few 0's flat!

Well lah-de-dar. Look at me and my hammer owning workplace.

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T1 ?

In the late 90's early 2000's I used to work for a "big cyber security" partner and we had access to their network, which was a reasonable 4mbps, due to firewalling we heard ... we could even reach the internet via it but it felt like a 56k modem. Then, one day, it was lightning fast, we checked the internet, and it was lightning fast, too, about 8 times faster than our corporate internet access. It took "big cyber security" months to realize all the data poring through to this partner's network ... I had great trouble, and no authority, keeping the team off p2p - my boss was the hardest abuser ... he literally filled several 4Gb drives with mp3's and mpg's, swapping them out as he went along, his download queues were impressive.

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Re: where Park Junction is, now?!

For my sins I used to live in East Grinstead, legend has it that the only reason they still have a station is that Dr Beeching's wife had a house in East Grinstead and the station stayed open so they could still catch the train into London.

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Re: 128K of ISDN

http://dilbert.com/strip/2010-12-23

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