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VMware has been accused of slyly shutting down and evicting a partner's four-day tech event running this week alongside the VMworld US conference in Las Vegas. Just as IT industry bods were biting into their lunch at the Border Grill restaurant in the Mandalay Bay hotel during the second day (27 August) of enterprise software …

  1. Zippy´s Sausage Factory
    Mushroom

    MGM

    It really stands for "Monetising Grief and Mayhem"

  2. BillG Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Outboarding

    I had a similar situation. 'Bout 15 years ago I was in charge of tech marketing for a fun mid-sized company and we were going to have a one-evening event to promo our technology in San Francisco in a hotel two miles away from a major trade show. We had everything set up when I got a call three days beforehand from the hotel manager telling us that the contract they had with major trade show prohibited them from holding our event and they were cancelling.

    I mentioned that our lawyer was going to call him. Lawyer later called, told them that since this was his (the hotel manager's) decision that our action would be against not only the hotel, but also against the hotel manager, personally. Meanwhile I called the PR director for the major trade show, who was apologetic but she said in a semi-evil voice "this is how its done". Very politely I told her that we had about a dozen members of the press confirmed to attend, and when I called the press on the phone (not email) to tell them I was being forced to cancel our event should I give the press her name?

    Well she stuttered like porky pig and said she'd get back to me. A few hours later I got calls from both the hotel manager & the PR person telling me my event was on. After that I invited our lawyer to each event with the promise of good food and a fun time.

    If I was IGEL, I would have brought my lawyer just in case, and when their goons started tearing things down I'd have my lawyer, business card in hand, identify himself to the minimum-wage goons and ask to see their badges for guaranteed PERSONAL legal action.

    Can't fight a big company, but you can take down their people one at a time.

  3. Cpt Blue Bear

    Re: Outboarding

    "After that I invited our lawyer to each event with the promise of good food and a fun time."

    Damnit! I cannot find or think of a suitable Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas quote about taking your "attorney" to Las Vegas.

  4. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Thumb Down

    Multi-national corporations at their finest

    Se title.

  5. Moosh

    Actually disgusting.

  6. H in The Hague Silver badge

    Useful info

    Now we all know which hotel chain and software vendor to avoid. Foot, meet gun and Streisand effect.

  7. Paul Johnston

    Re: Useful info

    Makes you wonder if people will ever learn

    Takes you ages to build a good reputation but it can be destroyed in an instant.

    Isn't hubris great!

  8. JohnFen Silver badge

    Re: Useful info

    It's even easier than that. After what happened with DefCon, I'm just not going to Vegas at all anymore. Easy peasy.

  9. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

    Re: Useful info

    I'm just not going to Vegas at all anymore.

    Agreed. I've never liked Las Vegas anyway - I find it loud, ugly, and annoying. Even LA and NYC are more interesting to me. Now thanks to this sort of vile behavior by the hotels, I have a good reason to refuse to go there.

    All the interesting presentations end up online anyway.

  10. JohnFen Silver badge

    Re: Useful info

    Sadly, Vegas has long been one of my favorite places to visit, and I'll miss taking trips there.

  11. Alan Brown Silver badge

    Re: Useful info

    "Now we all know which hotel chain and software vendor to avoid. "

    Funnily enough (and entirely coincidentally) I'm just stripping out the last vestiges of that crapware from our systems because.... well, it simply doesn't work very well,

  12. iron Silver badge
    Stop

    Between this and the disgraceful treatment of Defcon attendees, Las Vegas is telling the IT world that they do not want our money and we are not welcome. Hopefully next year conference organisers can find different venues in another city where they will be welcomed rather than persecuted.

  13. Tsurotu
  14. CheesyTheClown Silver badge

    Skipped Cisco Live two years and will next

    Cisco has been holding Live! In Vegas lately. I have absolutely no interest in me, my colleagues or my customers being in Vegas for the event.

    The town is too loud. It’s very tacky. It is precisely the place civilized people would not want to be associated with. Let’s be honest, “what happens in Vegas...” guess what, this is not the kind of professional relationship I want to maintain with those who depend on me or I depend on.

    Why would you want to hold a conference in Vegas?

    1) Legalized prostitution

    2) Legalized gambling

    3) Free booze at the tables

    4) Free or cheap buffets to gouge yourself at

    5) Readily available narcotics of all sorts

    6) Massive amounts of waste... not a little, the city must be one of the most disgustingly wasteful cities on earth.

    7) Sequins... if that’s your thing.

    Can you honestly say that you would want your serious customers to believe this is the type of behavior you associate with professionalism?

  15. a_yank_lurker Silver badge

    Re: Skipped Cisco Live two years and will next

    Prostitution is actually illegal in Clarke County (Las Wages). There are a couple of counties were it is legal in Nevada.

  16. heyrick Silver badge

    "another city where they will be welcomed rather than persecuted"

    Perhaps in a country with a saner legal system, too.

  17. Soruk

    Somehow I doubt they would run into that problem holding their show in Basingstoke..!

  18. WolfFan Silver badge

    Hull?

    Heavens no. Somewhere fun. Somewhere warm. Somewhere scenic. (None of which applies to Hull)

    Hmm... Negril, Jamaica.

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "1) Legalized prostitution"

    Prostitution was legalized in NZ years ago. It's the oldest business in the world. I don't see why it's workers should have to work illegally.

  20. LDS Silver badge

    ' the oldest business in the world'

    Even slave trader is a very old business, and it's good now it's illegal. Ancient doesn't mean right and good.

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  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    'can find different venues in another city where they will be welcomed'

    America has become #1 in travel hassle, its a big problem now!

    Dear organizers, why not host your next Conference elsewhere?

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    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/23/woman_iphone_border_patrol/

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/30/us_government_travelers_social_media/

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/13/us_government_sued_by_travelers/

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So thats the upside.... What's the downside again?

    I think it's great that you've listed the upsides to a conference in Vegas, but surely you should have listed the downsides so you can be seen to be objective...

  24. fronty

    "Hopefully next year conference organisers can find different venues in another city where they will be welcomed rather than persecuted."

    ... or shot.

  25. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

    "Between this and the disgraceful treatment of Defcon attendees, Las Vegas is telling the IT world that they do not want our money and we are not welcome."

    "We" being the little guys? I doubt DellVMWare see much of an issue with what went on. They probably see it as a benefit. I have no doubt the "big boys" will continue to use the place, especially now they know any smaller "competition" will be railroaded out of town if they ask nicely.

  26. ozmark

    Re: Skipped Cisco Live two years and will next

    Yep, best to keep sex workers as illegal on street corners with drug addicts than to regulate them with required health checks as some fancy "civilised" countries do.

  27. TheCynic

    Not enough Hotel rooms :)

  28. Anne-Lise Pasch

    .. Basingstoke?

    People regularly tear down the bunting between GBK and Wagamama, but that's because they're all p***ed out of their skulls from the Wetherspoon.

  29. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: Skipped Cisco Live two years and will next

    Hey CheeseClown, Cisco Live was in Orlando this year, and San Diego next year. And what does this post have to do with Cisco anyway? Let's focus on VMware's arrogance because that is fun.

  30. Big John Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Re: Skipped Cisco Live two years and will next

    > "Can you honestly say that you would want your serious customers to believe this is the type of behavior you associate with professionalism?"

    Lost Wages is generally aware of their negative perception among the population and has been working for years to transform their city center into a "family friendly" place, but with just a little discreet gambling...excuse me, "gaming" on the side. How well it's working I couldn't say, but I would guess not very. I live just two hours drive from LV and have been thru it much more than I care for, oy.

    However, there is one thing I find interesting; To be on the Vegas Strip around dusk, when the crowds become so dense you can hardly move. It's 99.9% visitors with roving eyes, and the remainder is street performers of the more polished kind. The cars are a very slow-moving river of steel, and people surge thru every gap. All set against walls of blinding, coruscating colours wherever you look.

    The lights, the noise, the letter X, it's all designed to inflame the senses!

    Just don't go in any casinos, unless you want your over-stimulated sensorium to go full-bummer. Some of 'em have smoking and all are loud and flashy, but not in a good way. No one is smiling, but they do grin once in a while. ;-/ Gaming is much too serious I guess. But at least the children are kept far away! Up on the roof, riding in a roller coaster set within a 1/4 scale mockup of New York City's big skyscrapers, circa 1940 or so. I did mention family friendly, right?

    Not too bad for a town founded upon a small spring in a big, big desert.

  31. LDS Silver badge

    "best to keep sex workers as illegal on street"

    Yes, because when it's illegal you can jail those who exploit women - albeit it's true too little is done against sex trafficking and women exploiting, because there's too bloody money behind it.

    "Health checks"? And when they are infected with grave illnesses by their "customers" what do you do? Forbid them to "work" and force them into poverty? Or are you going to give them free healthcare and a retirement pay? Maybe it would be better to force "customers" to undergo health checks, wouldn't it?

    There are countries that are not civilized - they are just "orderly" - they put rubbish under the carpet hoping no one could see it - just you can feel the smell of a rotting society. No surprise they are also often the same racists countries from which the worst of Western Civilization came from.

    Just like gambling, as long as it's illegal you can keep it away from those who ruin themselves, otherwise your hands are tied.

    No surprise both "business" are managed by organized crime - regardless of they are legal or not, because there's a lot of easy money to be made. And if it's legal, you can still run more profitable illegal variations behind a legal facade, and easily launder money.

    Just it looks a lot of men have to pay for sex, or they don't have any chance, and don't want to lose it, even if many women are trafficked, forced and exploited into prostitution.

    I would suggest you to take another ancient and well regarded job, that of eunuchs. It will solve all of your problems...

  32. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

    Hull?

    Come for the conference, stay for the phosphorescent waterfowl.

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  34. ShadowDragon8685

    Re: ' the oldest business in the world'

    Slavery depends on stripping others of their autonomy and basic dignity.

    Well-regulated prostitution does none of that, and would probably go a hell of a long way towards making a lot of unhappy people generally a little happier in life.

  35. jelabarre59 Silver badge

    Between this and the disgraceful treatment of Defcon attendees, Las Vegas is telling the IT world that they do not want our money and we are not welcome. Hopefully next year conference organisers can find different venues in another city where they will be welcomed rather than persecuted.

    Could probably find plenty of places in Westchester County NY to host moderately-sized conferences, and it's still close enough to major transportation. Certainly cheaper than NYC and not beholden (as much) to labor unions. Beyond that there's Poughkeepsie or Kingston, although they're not so "pretty" to visit and function space is smaller and farther between. But even cheaper than Westchester.

  36. Malcolm Weir Silver badge

    Optional

    @LDS...

    One fairly massive difference between slavery and prostitution: people engaged in one can leave any time they want. Of course, some foolish people believe all prostitution is always aligned with the some form of slavery/trafficking/other-unrelated-evil, but some foolish people believe the earth is flat.

  37. Malcolm Weir Silver badge

    Re: "best to keep sex workers as illegal on street"

    Ah, @LDS is a "moralist" -- I wonder if the monicker is related to the "church" of the gullible?

    Anyway, the bizarre thing about LDS's ignorance is that it shoots itself in the foot: gambling in Las Vegas is perfectly legal, heavily regulated and *not* run by "organized crime".

    Bluntly, it seems like LDS (like the LDS) is based on a pure 1950's "Reefer Madness" view of social problems, and probably should be consigned to the dustbin of ignorant history, and let those who actually have sensible data deal with social issues...

  38. Alan Brown Silver badge

    Re: "1) Legalized prostitution"

    "Prostitution was legalized in NZ years ago. "

    It was never illegal. Soliciting on the streets and brothelkeeping were verboten and only the latter has been legalised - for the safety of the workers (which has worked out fairly well overall, despite the NIMBYs trying to force them back into the shadows)

  39. Phil Kingston Silver badge
    Coat

    Having had a decent year as City of Culture they'll be crying out for some IT conferences. They would, if you like, become City of Vulture.

  40. TangoDelta72
    Angel

    Re: "best to keep sex workers as illegal on street"

    Pssst... your Mormon is showing...

  41. PaulR79

    Re: Skipped Cisco Live two years and will next

    "Why would you want to hold a conference in Vegas?

    1) Legalized prostitution

    2) Legalized gambling

    3) Free booze at the tables

    4) Free or cheap buffets to gouge yourself at

    5) Readily available narcotics of all sorts"

    Are you trying to put me off or sell me a holiday? I can't decide..

  42. Flywheel Silver badge

    Scunthorpe!

  43. Jeffrey Nonken Silver badge

    Re: So thats the upside.... What's the downside again?

    I don't see any of those as upsides.

  44. maffski

    There is no more beautiful sight than the vista of (Kingston upon) Hull.

    Receding.

  45. Chairman of the Bored Silver badge

    Not just IT

    Vegas has been getting weird, well weirder, for some time.

    A family member has an on again, off again business relationship with USA Gymnastics. Back when Proctor and Gamble were still sponsors, USAG had some major events in Vegas. Then news about the pedo doctor Larry Nassar and USAG's cover-up hit.

    I was hanging out near the venue and saw some people quietly and not unreasonably exercising their 1st amendment rights of assembly and speech against USAG. Hotel security engaged, followed by Las Vegas' own. Beat a guy who refused to leave.

    I thought the goal was to "serve and protect" the public, not serve as the hotel PR office's goons.

    Its almost as if the whole effen place is run by the mob or something. Oh, wait...

  46. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    Re: Not just IT

    >Its almost as if the whole effen place is run by the mob or something. Oh, wait...

    Worse, it's now run by the PR dept of Global Megacorp

  47. Jay Lenovo
    Devil

    Re: Not just IT

    Lesson learned:

    Future IT events will require hiring your own "Roadhouse" type tough guy (Patrick Swayze), to ensure the town boss man doesn't shut you down.

    Life's tough at the border (grill)

  48. eldakka Silver badge

    Re: Not just IT

    I thought the goal was to "serve and protect" the public, not serve as the hotel PR office's goons.

    Not in the US, no.

    The Police Have No Obligation To Protect You. Yes, Really.

    Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

  49. PT

    Re: Not just IT

    Unfortunately, behavior like that causes no surprise to people who live here and are familiar with MGM. The main difference between MGM and the owners of earlier times is that the Mob knew how to run a casino and show the customer a good time. The New York private equity funds that own MGM have made even the parking lot a profit center.

    There are other conference facilities in town.

  50. Chairman of the Bored Silver badge

    Re: Not just IT

    +1 for the interesting links. Very depressing though. From a legal perspective I guess I can see where the senile nine are coming from... but the message sucks. Especially if you desire a society rules by law instead of vigilante action...

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