back to article Atari accuses El Reg of professional trolling and making stuff up. Welp, here's the interview tape for you to decide...

Legendary games company Atari has accused a Register reporter of making stuff up and acting unprofessionally following an interview earlier this year in San Francisco at the launch of its new games console, the Atari VCS. In that article, we were critical of the fact that the machine did not work, and that its chief operating …

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Hahashahahahahahaahah!

Nothing like standing on the sidelines and watching a well deserved kicking being administered.

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And this is exactly what I would call professional trolling.

Professionally executed and the subject has tried to start a flame war which ended up with them being flamed into a crisp.

El reg crew deserves a round of pints :)

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So incredibly satisfying. Such a nice article, at least from my perspective.

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ATARI is like NOKIA, some chinese guy bought the company name

ATARI is like NOKIA, some bad guy bought the company name and recycles chinese stuff and put a brand label on it.

Rather naive people these days fall for such scams. --> Don't buy "ATARI" games and hardware and "NOKIA" phones in 2018. The original company died many years ago, the original products long gone. In case of ATARI (/Infograms), you can get the old games for cheap on eBay and use an emulator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari,_SA#Transition_from_Infogrames_Entertainment ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Mobile ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMD_Global (chinese "NOKIA" phones of the year 2018)

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Re: ATARI is like NOKIA, some chinese guy bought the company name

That's a tad unfair to Nokia. Basically all phones come out of China nowadays. Sure, it's not a 3210 indistructaphone, but the "N" series phones don't pretend to be. They're half decent specced phones in a milled aluminium shell that's more deserving of the Nokia name than any of the MS devices were. The name has been licensed by a company trying to make good from it.

Atari is a different matter. The name gets slapped on pretty much anything regardless of quality by whoever owns it this week. Similar can be said of the Commodore devices that appear every now and then.

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Re: ATARI is like NOKIA, some chinese guy bought the company name

Even though the 2018 Nokia phones come from China (just like any other vendor's phones, including Apple), HMD Global is a Finnish company. You can read this in the first sentence of the Wikipedia article you linked. A little bit further down you can even read that this company consists of many former Nokia employees.

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Re: Hahashahahahahahaahah!

Atari needs a good kicking. As a former retail salesperson of Atari computers (520ST, 1040ST, Mega, TT, Falcon, Lynx handheld console), yeah, a good kicking, A) to see if they are still alive, and B) to encourage them to progress. Don't show up to a meeting in order to provide lots of, "Um, I don't know" and "I can't tell you" statements. No one cares about I don't know and I can't tell you. Successful hype isn't built on uncertainty.

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I see one PR person from Atari is reading the comments LOL

(one down vote for you fab comment as I type this)

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Re: ATARI is like NOKIA, ...

In my local Mall*Wart, I happened to notice something odd. The teetering stack of "RCA" branded LCD TVs in their boxes had a printed disclaimer (right on the packaging).

"RCA - This product is manufactured and sold by (LICENSEE COMPANY NAME). ..." etc.

I guess there's a new manufacturer of LCD TVs called LICENSEE COMPANY NAME.

I've seen similar branding antics with "POLAROID".

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"As a former retail salesperson of Atari computers (520ST, 1040ST, Mega, TT, Falcon, Lynx handheld console)"

That was a different Atari and the one that exists now. Atari, the old computer and games manufacturer, doesn't exist.

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There was an Atari in between them too (the one that published Cryptic Studios' games before Perfect World Entertainment bought their IP) that was owned by a French games company that wasn't Ubisoft.

This Atari is a long way from either "classic" Atari or French Atari.

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"Don't show up to a meeting in order to provide lots of, "Um, I don't know" and "I can't tell you" statements. No one cares about I don't know and I can't tell you. Successful hype isn't built on uncertainty."

I couldn't agree more, Artz is an arse! None-answers, sentences trailing off to nothing, having said nothing and so on. If anyone did a full semantic analysis of the interview and took out all the "noise" I strongly suspect Artz's "contribution" to the full 30 minutes would consist of about 30 seconds of repeated "I don't know"

My wife watches a lot of craft instructables on Youtube and the US based ones sound the same as this interview. It's as if they are terrified of silence, even when they have nothing to say. Is this normal in the US or am I just seeing the worst of it?

My hat is off to the Reg reporter for his extreme patience, surely one of his most agonising interviews. Might as well have interviewed the tea boy!

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Re: ATARI is like NOKIA, ...

Polaroid seems to be a name nowadays slapped on cellphone chargers/cables that are horrible quality and massively overpriced. Not even instant photos out of them

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An American version of the Spectrum reboot?

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"An American version of the Spectrum reboot?"

Except with (as of today) the equivalent of £2,228,572 to burn through before evaporating.

RCL only had £512,790...

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Eviscerated!

El Reg 1

Atari 0

(world cup and all)

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@Winkypop

Where did you learn how to count ?

El Reg 9:0 Atari

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Re: Eviscerated!

It went to VAR in the end, and the TV decided to award just the one goal.

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It sounds more like an Atari own goal to me. Results still the same, but they only have themselves to blame...

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Re: Eviscerated!

Remember professional trolls count "one, two, many, lots!"

Looks like Atari has LOTS of egg on its face

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+1 and a pint for the Pratchett reference

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professional trolls count "one, two, many, lots!"

I think it's one, two, many, many-one, many-two, many-many, many-many-one, many-many-two, LOTS, but I could be mistaken.

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One, two, three, many.

Many one, many two, many three, many many.

Many many one, many many two, many many three, many many many.

Many many many one, many many many two, many many many three, lots.

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Damnit we need additional conversions on https://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/page/reg-standards-converter.html to cover scoring just like this.

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One Two Many

It's an actual counting system, and before chuckling at "primitives" notice how in English:

One -- First

Two -- Second

Three - Third

Four -- Fourth

And French:

Un -- Premier

Deux -- Seconde

Trois -- Troisieme

Quatre -- Quatrieme

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Deux - seconde or deuxième (prefered usage when enumerating)

And even "un" has a "unième" form (like in vingt-et-unième - https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/uni%C3%A8me)

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Just your bog-standard base-four counting system.

I think it was originally developed by professional crocodile wrestlers.

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"seconde or deuxième (prefered usage when enumerating)"

Not quite. The rule is: You use "deuxième" when referring to the second of <many>. You use "second(e)" when referring to the second of two.

As we are talking about a language, there are of course exceptions: classe de seconde, seconde nature, and of course the Seconde Guerre Mondial will probably remain that even if there's a third attempt. I say probably because this time we have nukes and countries run by lunatics, but asides from that...

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was that written on the inside of a freezer ?

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"The rule is: You use "deuxième" when referring to the second of <many>. You use "second(e)" when referring to the second of two."

Not quite a 'rule', according to the Académie française. One can, par souci de précision et d’élégance, reserve second for utterances where one only considers two elements, and only use deuxième when the enumeration goes past two. Cette distinction n’est pas obligatoire. You would always use second in certain expressions: seconde main, seconde nature, etc., and in job titles such as le second du navire.

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Oh how the might have fallen...

Back in the early 90s, the Atari STE was a giant among machines - probably the best all-round home computer platform across all arenas on the market at the time, (despite what owners of the Commodore Amiga Games Machine may say*).

Sad that the once-great name has been dragged down this far.

*Forget professional trolling, Atari and Amiga owners have been trolling each other since before "trolling" was a thing...

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Re: Oh how the might have fallen...

My Amiga 1200 with it's B-52 inscribed motherboard challenges you to a fight. My weapon of choice if Protracker just to show Amiga's are better at music.

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*Forget professional trolling, Atari and Amiga owners have been trolling each other since before "trolling" was a thing...

Hell, yes! What was the twinky OS you had called? GEM? My sister ran that on here C= 128.

Very good times. Have one on me -->

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Forget professional trolling, Atari and Amiga owners have been trolling each other since before "trolling" was a thing.

Bit late to the party you lot were. Us Speccy/Amstrad/Comodore 64 kids were well versed in trolling - I can assure you! (Those rich BBC kids never got involved)

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Re: Oh how the might have fallen...

Trolling was a thing in the very late 1970s in the BBS world ... Several years before the C64, much less the Amiga.

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Re: Oh how the might have fallen...

Those rich BBC kids never got involved

No, we didn't need to. We knew our machine was superior and we knew that you knew that as well.

Games library? Pah.

;-)

M.

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Re: Oh how the might have fallen...

"My weapon of choice if Protracker just to show Amiga's are better at music."

How many on-board MIDI ports does your Amiga have?

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Re: Oh how the might have fallen...

The Falcon finally got there and could be considered better than the Amiga 1200 (although the Amiga's OS was still 1000 times better than GEM/TOS/Whatever that thing was), but only because Commodore then had the worst CEO in history of everything who sat on follow-up to the Amiga 1200 for years like it was the Iron Throne or something, until he ran the business into the ground.

However software was scarce for the Falcon, it lasted a year, and Atari imploded too.

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Re: Oh how the might have fallen...

@Kane

I knew someone would thwart my plans.

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Re: Oh how the might have fallen...

>What was the twinky OS you had called? GEM? My sister ran that on here C= 128.

GEM was the GUI, most swapped out for KAOS - the OS they shipped with was TOS though we also had MiNT and MagiC which rocked. The Amiga had much better games I'm told.

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Re: Oh how the might have fallen...

"How many on-board MIDI ports does your Amiga have?"

How many Atari owners used theirs?

Besides, it was only about £20-30 for a MIDI adaptor for the Amiga, which is inexpensive compared to the cost of the rest of kit you'll be wanting to hook up to it.

(This is why I don't get too partisan about Mac vs Windows vs Linux, none of them compare to the Amiga in my eyes)

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There had been 3 ATARI companies!

1) ATARI (the original company) died in the early 1990s.

2) Then another completely different company Infograms (France) named itself ATARI in early 2000s and died in the early 2010s.

3) Then another different (chinese) company named itself ATARI in the late 2010s. And releases cheap re-hashes of old ATARI games from the 1980s.

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Re: Oh how the might have fallen...

That's very true. Jack Tramiel, as controversial as he was, definitely rescued the company and brought some of the innovation and potential back. However, even under the Tramiels, a lot of the mojo and pure fun-factor that made Atari what it fundamentally was gone.

After the Tramiels, Atari was nothing but a name. A husk. Nothing of the "true" Atari, originally under Bushnell, and latterly the Tramiels, remains. It's a corpse.

The name Atari has changed hands a bunch of times since then, it's nothing more than a brand now, a recognisable name to be used as a marketing vehicle, with no one even remotely associated with the Atari of old being involved, none of that Mojo. Just bullshit, hype, vapour, and lies. Consequently, I feel no guilt whatsoever in declaring: "Fuck "Atari" and the fake hype-machine that they rolled in on.".

The whole company can do one as far as I'm concerned. Even if they do release a working machine, I'm not interested.

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Re: Oh how the might have fallen...

C64? Lucky bugger....all I had was a VIC-20..

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Re: Oh how the might have fallen...

Could have been worse - you might have had a Plus 4.

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Re: Oh how the might have fallen...

Oh the Atari ST Vs Amiga flame wars how I remember them fondly.

We all know which one was better, it's the one you have the fondest memories of.

Anyway back on topic, looks like Atari got schooled.

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So its definately the Amiga that's better then.

I'm glad that's settled

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Luxury! We had a Timex Sinclair 1000 and we were glad for it!

We'd wake up the night before we went to bed, start the tape drive playing into the computer's input port, while da' beat us with BASIC manuals.

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A Timex Sinclair 1000!

The best we could afford was a 1K ZX81 and no cassette recorder; we had to type in all the code from the magazine every time we wanted to run a program, squash all the bugs and add all the missing code the magazine managed not to print.

But if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe you!

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Re: Oh how the might have fallen...

No, we didn't need to. We knew our machine was superior and we knew that you knew that as well.

Games library? Pah.

So why were so many of the BBC Master Race addicted to Chuckie Egg and Frak! ?

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