back to article Nadella tells worried GitHub devs: Judge us by our actions

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is at pains to reassure developers that its $7.5bn purchase of GitHub won't turn the code repository into an Azure-only space. "We love developers, and we love open source developers," he said on a call formally announcing the deal on Monday morning before promising, repeatedly, that GitHub will …

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Pure evil

Just had Nan on the phone, sobbing her heart out that her code archive on Github has been stolen by M$FT. Well done Satnad for upsetting a snowy-haired old lady!

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Re: Pure evil

Oh dear - is that the best you can do? No actual arguments to rebut the perfectly reasonable conclusions in the article?

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Re: Pure evil

Your Nan will love Visual Studio, Azure and the bi-yearly Creator's Updates!

And she'll be mad about the magic Windows 10 pixie dust that Microsoft will sprinkle over it

Indeed, there is surely a discount for elderly members in there somewhere.

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Exciting Improvments - NOT!

"There is a direct correlation between vague marketing speak and the likelihood that a company is planning to do something you won't like."

Well put, Kieren.

And as far as LinkedIn is concerned - it has become an absolute, buggy mess. Every few months Microsoft removes more features from LinkedIn while refusing to fix bugs, meanwhile insulting members by calling the ongoing downgrades "exciting improvements".

I predict "exciting improvements" for Github in the future.

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"judge us by the actions"

We have.

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"judge us by the actions we have taken in the recent past, our actions today and in the future."

Weird, seen lots of obvious shill accounts on twitter been posting similar comments for the last few days, as if they had been somehow told what to write...

Oopsie, cover blown, new Microsoft shill accounts needed... Microsoft the company that never changes... As dirty as ever

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No shills...

As with Apple, just a TON of stockholm, and it seems to be a working business plan.

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We are judging you by your actions.

Specificly the decades of repeated examples of MS "embrace, extend, & extinguish" actions that prove MS regularly, repeatedly, consistently, intentionally finds something good in the world, drags it into the MS fold, at which point MS promptly fucks over everyone that used it, relied on it, wrote code for it, or tried to use it to build upon.

Time after time after time MS has taken $Product that was widely supported, used extensively by common folks as well as pro coders, & so badly ruined it that the previous user/coder base goes elsewhere to find a replacement not yet tainted by MS' Sadim (that's anti-Midas, where everything turns to shit instead) touch.

Programs, coding libraries, tools, security, the list is so long as to be mind numbing in it's expanse. The examples of MS' FUBAR actions is so legion as to make it essentially impossible to list them all in any single web forum.

We *are* judging you by your actions - your actions are such aggregious, attrocious, apocolyptic examples of your ability to turn gold into shit that we naturally, rightfully, correctly guess that the newest MS victim will soon be rendered into yet another steaming pile of MS shit.

And this is important so listen Very. Fucking. Carefully...

You. Have. Nobody. To. Blame. But. Yourselves.

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Microsoft 'Shill' (the product)

I've seen the "Microsoft Shill" (aka sock puppets) at work in the past, particularly during the Win-10-nic beta. Dissenting voices were true 'grass roots'. The obvious fanbois [and howler monkeys] behaved in a "silence the opposition" mode nearly ALL of the time. A good number of THEM were probably shills, either people paid to do that sort of thing, or one person (or bot) acting as many.

Lesson learned: With respect to Win-10-nic, Micro-shaft asked for input, ignored what they weren't already going to do, and did what THEY wanted to do, anyway. They did not care about the existing base of users. They did not care about introducing slurp and ads as part of the OS. They did not care about driving development towards UWP and "The Store", both of which have effectively been FAILURES no matter how much lipstick they keep trying to put on the (non-oinky end of the) boar. They took away features people wanted, REFUSED to support (and in some ways, by deliberately breaking it) features that people wanted in order to customize windows 10 BACK to the way they wanted it, BANNED people from their forums for speaking out, and created a set of EULA's that are some of the WORST possible privacy violations I've ever seen.

What I fear in the future MOSTLY involves my logon, and how it would be used to track me, SPAM me, and otherwise MARKET TO me. My "coding fingerprint" for example, might tell them more than I want it to.

And, do we REALLY want Micro-shaft to be able to see what THEIR COMPETITORS are working on within a PRIVATE REPOSITORY? This includes patentable technologies as well as technologies that potentially involve "one of THEIR patents". Some of the implications here are obvious.

Perhaps it's time for independent developers to produce a REASONABLE alternative to the things that make GitHub very convenient, something considerably better than 'GitWeb' (the stuff that's included with 'git'). If it's an open source project, you could have MANY public or private 'githubs' everywhere.

/me wonders what Linus will do with HIS github repo for Linux

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Judge us by our actions

> Nadella tells worried GitHub devs: Judge us by our actions

WE HAVE.

GitHub is dead for free software open source movement. Lot's of smaller companies will die, because M$ has now FULL read ACCESS to their "private Git repositories".

Gates, Balmer and Nadella are the pure devil. Go back to hell, and close down your sin-empire that spreads like cancer.

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Re: Microsoft 'Shill' (the product)

HackerNews ( https://news.ycombinator.com ) has actively supported M$ shills, at least since 2016.

The don't ban the M$ shills, but oppress the non-positive comments of regular users and shadow their comments, lower the user-visibility and ranking-score. They have gone from simply shadow banning to burry the M$-critical-users with their comments to the bottom of the page - "insta-burry".

It doesn't help YC (sama) immensely profited from this Github deal himself, being an early investor and adviser to GitHub and he arranged the exit (selling out to M$) with his personal connection to M$.

And Reddit is also an YC-startup, that started to censor and shadow ban, but leave the shills-accounts untouched.

So sad that the former Slashdot and Reddit crowd of high intellectual entrepreneurs and developers still frequent the HN website, who are very much in favor of M$. This crowd needs a new website, a place with no shadow banning, no censorship, and no M$ shills - like TheReg.

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"judge us by the actions we have taken in the recent past, our actions today and in the future."

But we don't care what the sentence is as we will be concentrating on monetising Github via corporate customers. Here, watch some adverts while you retire to consider your verdict....

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Re: Microsoft 'Shill' (the product)

"Shill" - definition: Anyone who disagrees with me and holds an opinion that doesn't treat all corporate bodies as sons of satan. Since it is impossible for any right-thinking person to disagree with me, they therefore must be in the pay of said corporate body. Stands to reason.

Any online forum that doesn't recognise, and immediately ban, those with these opinions are also obviously in the pay of said corporate body. All online forums should be group-think hives where right thinking developers are safe from evil sons of satan and their obviously paid-for opinions.

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Re: Microsoft 'Shill' (the product)

> "Shill" - definition

There are only a few very rich companies and governments that pay sock puppet agencies to aggressively enforce their propaganda and try to brainwash people at a grand scale: Russia, Microsoft, Monsanto (the later two have Bill Gates as "saint" in common)

And then there are rather naive fanboys, that fall for the above mentioned shady and illegal activities.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me 999 times, go to hell.

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Re: Microsoft 'Shill' (the product)

> HackerNews ( https://news.ycombinator.com ) has actively supported M$ shills, at least since 2016.

The HackerNews topics on this disaster seem uniformly very unhappy about this. Not much in the way of MS shills being effective there.

Ars Technica is another matter entirely. That's extremely MS shill territory.

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> The HN topics

The admins of HN are usally very quick to burry such threads, and start a fresh thread that populates rather quickly with positive comments. The good thing was, the first news about this disaster happened on Friday night, when HN admins were asleep and paid M$ shills were off (weekend). That's the reason why the discussion shifted this time. But the HN admins quickly started new threads and burried older threads, and unflavorable comments are hidden on page 3 and below (who really clicks on the small "More" link on the bottom). HN admins also often label threads as "dupe", then move comments around but leave the thread-points untouched. This has as "side-effect" that both threads vanish completely from the frontpage, as the combined thread now has more comments than up-votes. As excuse, the HN admins often write "the community flagged it", while in reality only the YC-startup-founders have full moderator controls. So yes, the Stripe and GitLab and GitHub CEOs have full moderator permissions on HN, like all the other early YC alumnis. Rather disgusting what happend after PG left YC, and the new M$ crowd around Slatman took over in 2015 (or so). Many insightful comments on HN are shadow banned, while paid comments sit on top to hype things. In retrospect, the sole purpose of HN is to hype YC founded startups - so better not try to post your "Show HN" or try to post something that might cross one of the YC business. Chances are good, that they will silence your post, while they start cloning your idea and projects just to hype their YC startup. That's why it's so sad that the good ol' Slashdot audience moved to Digg, then to Reddit and HN - and the later two are YC properties - meaning censorship instead of anon free speech.

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Re: We are judging you by your actions.

@Shadow Systems

I can't make up my mind if "aggregious" was deliberate or a thinko. In favour of deliberate is the alliteration. Not that it matters why, it's such a beautifully apt word for Microsoft's actions: a portmanteau of "aggressively egregious." It deserves to enter common usage.

A pint, sir or madam.

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Re: Microsoft 'Shill' (the product)

@Just Enough

Actually the definition of a 'shill' is someone who pretends to be convinced by the con man in order to draw in the 'mark', specifically being that he's 'in on it' from the beginning. In 3 card monty, he'd be the guy that's constantly losing when it's "obvious" to the mark, who then bets and loses. The 'shill' drew him in. Alternately a 'shill' might be someone who argues an opposite point in a way that makes the con man look brilliant, etc.. The common factor here is that he's 'in on the con' and is acting as if he's not.

In this context, the 'shills' would be MS paid and/or dedicated fanbois that pretend to be 'regular testers' or 'regular insiders', or 'regular users', but then engage with anyone that has an opposing opinion or complaint, in a manner that is deliberately intended to silence, intimidate, etc. including the use of pejoratives and even beligerance. Yes, I've seen it. And when you "engage them back", _YOU_ get the ban. Well, I was careful and never got banned. Several others DID, however.

Yes, it _IS_ Micro-shaft's forum, which means they CAN do this. However, they're being dishonest about it by using 'Shills' instead of just plain telling you "do not say bad things about us or our products". I have to ask why they're trying to HIDE it, or at least obfuscate it.

Also associated with that would be the 'sock puppets', aka multiple logins for the same person and/or using bots to make a single line of thinking look "popular"

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I do

"judge us by the actions we have taken in the recent past, our actions today and in the future."

I already do, which is why I want to have as little to do with Microsoft as possible.

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"Judge us by our actions"

That's why there's so many people making local backups and looking for an alternative, sir.

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And that is why I have no interest in being screwed yet again by Microsoft! Their actions destroyed my main source of income by their actions over forcing my clients to pay them for a new version of windows and at the same time throwing in 'free' software to help justify the millions of pounds they required because XP was 'no longer supported'. I'm just not interested in dealing with a company that thinks they own everything and this is just another action to take further control of what should be an independent area of business!

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Re: "Judge us by our actions"

XP is over 13 years old. How long is MS suppose to support an OS?

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" ... How long is MS suppose to support an OS? ... "

How about until they have something to replace it that isn't crap?

Which with Windows 10 we still don't have.

( Ok, pk. Windows 7 wasn't to bad, but "support" runs out on it fairly soon too. )

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"XP is over 13 years old. How long is MS suppose to support an OS?"

How about 'Forever', by way of incremental development and fixes, not re-re-re-inventing it 3 times, then CRAMMING IT UP OUR, er, DOWN OUR THROATS, and calling it "the last windows", complete with a FLUGLY 2D FLATSO UI, auto-updates that you can't shut off, SLURP, ADS, and TRACKING via a "Microsoft Logon", whether we want the "new, shiny" or NOT. Oh, and "The Store".

And if THEY aren't going to maintain XP, they should RELEASE THE SOURCE so that OTHERS can! I think the people over at ReactOS would really love doing that. They've been trying to write their OWN for YEARS.

Yeah, FAT CHANCE of THAT happening. But it would be GREAT for proving their intentions with GitHub are NOT EVIL.

Now, take THAT past behavior and consider/extrapolate what WILL happen to GitHub now that they'll have their GRIMY PAWS all over it...

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"XP is over 13 years old. How long is MS suppose to support an OS?"

It's over 17 years old.

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That's why there's so many people making local backups

Making?

Surely you have the full repository of your code on at least one of your own machines already. It's not a matter of making a backup but ensuring you no longer upload/download from github and then deciding on an alternative (some may prefer to find an alternative first).

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Making backups?

The clients I've pulled out of GitHub are already mirrored here, and are up and running, hosted on my systems. It's just a matter of nuking their accounts over there and then deciding where to host them long-term. Of course gawd/ess only knows if nuking at GitHub actually means their info is deleted ...

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I knew bob would be unhappy at the news..

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Yes!

Just bought domain tithub.com, going to make it as big as YouPorn!

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Re: Yes!

I'm going to bag githug.com. Make a Microsoft employee feel appreciated, because the software they make and the replies they get to their shilling certainly don't.

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Re: Yes!

I was going to buy gitcoin and put it on a blockchain. But of course, someone has already done that.

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Bugger - GitOut.com appears to be an off-roader site.

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"Judge us by our actions"

Is this the same Microsoft that planted spyware on millions of computers? The same Microsoft that back ported spyware to Windows 7? The same shitsack that made clicking on 'X' mean go ahead and install?

The same turd that gave a choice of 'install now' or 'install later' with no option not to?

Yes, Judge them by their actions.

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Re: "Judge us by our actions"

I was gonna say something similar. Considering, although Windows 10 is good, he rammed it and continues to ram it down peoples throats we will never trust him. Not until he gives as back control of Windows updates.

Like the laptop at work today I was working on. Moved it to an OU with no policies. Then wondered why was going a little slow. It decided it was going to download 1803 and install it without asking. Lucky I caught it as it was downloading and not installing. The app packages he forces on work machines. Why does an office laptop fucking need xbox shit and minecraft.

Although they didn't kill the sysinteral tools, thankfully, I suspect they will fuck up github. If they do, expect the share holders to start looking to kick SatNav out.

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Re: "Judge us by our actions"

and the latest Windows 10 update trying to claim that not linking your local account to a Microsoft account is a security risk as those people we're judging on their actions continue to try and shove unwanted accounts down out throats.

the same people are trying to force EDGE on everybody, resetting our defaults to EDGE, nagging if you change it.

the same people shoving Candy Crush etc. onto out machines even when we don't want it, and reinstating it if it gets removed?

the same people hiding options to disable junk like Cortana, and killing off the workarounds people find with each update?

yeah, we're judging you by those actions. I've been in the IT biz for 30 years and can't actually remember a more aggressively evil Microsoft than the one we have today.

moved all my projects off GitHub this afternoon.

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Re: "Judge us by our actions"

If you're judging Microsoft by their actions, you can judge the current owners of Github, who did just decide to sell to Microsoft, similarly.

That said, for 7.5 billion dollars, I'd overlook a lot of actions....

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The same Microsoft referred to in the leaked Halloween documents???

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents

The same Microsoft caught bribing bloggers to say nice things with the lure of an Asus Ferrari laptop??

http://www.istartedsomething.com/20061227/microsoft-free-ferrari/

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Considering, although Windows 10 is good

Good for what?

It's so far beyond being utter trash that I can't even imagine what it would be good for, unless you're Microsoft. It would have to be massively improved to even get to the level of being complete rubbish. It's so bad that it is hard to be hyperbolic about it; any attempt to exaggerate it for effect merely ends up understating how bad it really is. Simply put, if I had to choose between using Windows 10 and quitting computing (something I've been doing avidly for nearly my whole life as a hobby, profession, and obsession) in any form, I'd take the latter.

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"It decided it was going to download 1803"

Calm down hmkay ... we use the same numbering scheme as Ubuntu. Windows 10 is practically open source and hence lovely.

In case it passed you by: 1803 (Win10) is March 2018, 18.04 is April 2018 (Ubuntu)

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Oh, I do judge them for this.

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Wow. Here I thought that I hated Win 10, but even I can recognize that Windows 10 does, in fact, load and execute programs very nearly 100% of the time.

...which is more than I can say about a number of (admittedly antique) operating systems that I've used or developed for over the decades. That's why I can't go along with your notion that Windows couldn't be any worse -- believe me, it could be.

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At Jim Mitchell...

There's an old joke that goes something like this:

A man sits down next to a lady at the bar & asks her "Would you sleep with a complete stranger for a million dollars?" The lady thinks a second & answers that she would. "Fine. How about I give you five bucks to sleep with me?" She throws her drink in his face & shouts indignantly: "What kind of girl do you think I am?" To which he replies calmly: "We've already established that, now we're just haggling over the price."

I immediately thought of that joke when I read your comment about the amount of money being enough to get you to overlook a few things. It made me think "Well now that we know you can be bought, all we need do is haggle over price."

I do NOT intend any insult & apologize if I've given any, but you might want to rethink your comment in the light of that joke, no? =-j

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"the latest Windows 10 update trying to claim that not linking your local account to a Microsoft account is a security risk"

Did it ALSO offer to sell the Brooklyn Bridge?

[first I'd heard of THAT one. Now, how can a 'cloudy' logon that TRACKS YOU be NOT a security risk?]

Oh... now I get it - MICRO-SHAFT'S "security" as in SECURELY STRANGLEHOLDING YOUR COMPUTER and MAKING YOU DO WHAT _THEY_ WANT!!!

Sorta like that "Genuine Advantage" thing that was a GENUINE ADVANTAGE for MICRO-SHAFT, and _NOT_ the CUSTOMER!

icon, because, facepalm the lame

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Nearly a %100. Wow, for a top flight manufacturer of software operating systems you shock us with such a glowing "nearly" reference. Nearly, shouldn't it be just %100?

My windows 10 (brand new install) takes around 60 - 65 seconds to start software some times. So I guess nearly is accurate (still a pile of garbage when we are talking Steam or some of the games) but it is nearly %100.

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Re: At Jim Mitchell...

@Shadow Systems

Everybody has their price. No rethinking required.

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The whole thing reminds me on the "Finding Nemo" movie, where Nemo and Dora encounter the shark Bruce, who says he is on a non-meat diet.

It would be interesting to find what MS actually bought, is it the name, the website software or the hope 80% will continue using it ?. What happened with MySQL when Oracle bought Sun Microsystems, is perhaps not a good omen for the deal MS made, Open-Source developers are very smart people with a distaste for big fat white sharks claiming they are on diet.

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Re: "Judge us by our actions"

That's odd, because over the three computers I use - all on Win10 - I've never noticed anything taking over 10s unless it was a huge file, which good software informs you on loading progress.

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