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Microsoft has agreed to acquire development platform GitHub in a deal worth $7.5bn, sending developers scurrying for cover. The Office-maker is chuffed to call itself the most active organisation on GitHub, claiming more than two million commits made to projects. The Seattle software slinger has its origins in development …

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Shite

Wonder which new and exciting way they're gonna fuck it up.

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Re: Shite

They will probably try to force everyone onto Windows 10 and Edge...

(No wonder coders are leaving like rats leaving a sinking ship...)

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DILLIGAF.

What little I had on Github was migrated to my Bitbucket account earlier.

I wasn't be the first and sure as hell won't be the last.

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Split it into Github and Github-for-Business but not allow you to use both at the same time

Github for Business only supported on Windows

Only allow Office365 subscribers to reset their passwords, or sometimes only outlook.com emails or occasionally only live.com - which depends on the phase of the moon.

Remove the code checkin/out feature but add new options to post photos to your project timeline

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As much as anything, it's the negative feeling that it engenders. Unless they do something really stupid like making private repos accessible to M$ 'for usage statistics' etc then there's not much they can do.

Maybe I answered my own question....

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Re: Shite

They might not fuck it up.

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I don't think it'll be new and exciting more like tried and trusted.

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Re: Shite

"They might not fuck it up."

Ha ha! Fat chance (of NOT fucking it up, that is)!

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M$ evil tactic: Embrace, extend, and extinguish

Embrace, extend, and extinguish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

When will people learn that products from the YCombinator mafia are bad!? Their president, Sam Altman, is a M$ trojan horse and Bilderberger. Avoid these companies: https://yclist.com (Github, Docker, Reddit, Dropbox, AirBnb, Scribd, Heroku, WePay, Mixpanel, Stripe, PagerDuty, Humble Bundle, Coinbase, Zenefits, ...)

Read the book "Chaos Monkeys: Obscene Fortune and Random Failure in Silicon Valley" about the YCombinator mafia and Sam Altman M$ connection: https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Monkeys-Obscene-Fortune-Failure/dp/0062458191/

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Re: M$ evil tactic: Embrace, extend, and extinguish

I think it's hilarious that you provide a list of companies that we should apparently avoid, but link to a book on Amazon.

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Worst thing: M$FT has now full access to our PRIVATE REPOS!!

Now our worst competitor (M$FT) has now full access to our private repos with our software source code !

Worst situation ever!!

What should I do now? Migrating off Github, won't delete the data - right? Given that M$FT gives a shit about GDPR and slurps data like never before on Win10. I don't trust them at all.

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Re: M$ evil tactic: Embrace, extend, and extinguish

Got there before me.

I wonder if AC's prose in the book is as lame as his post's.

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Re: Shite @DJV

Ha ha! vFat chance (of NOT fucking it up, that is)!

FTFY

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Re: Shite

> Wonder which new and exciting way they're gonna fuck it up.

Sometimes the old ways are the best

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Re: Aladdin

Maybe not...But, they're not spending all that money for nothing. They'll want to monetise it somehow

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Re: Shite

"What little I had on Github was migrated to my Bitbucket account earlier."

So, presumably just you accessing those anyway then? Not so easy to move real projects, and not so desirable to randomly change platforms for real projects which have real work to do.

The most likely outcome here is that MS will add enterprise authentication integration - the main thing that's been missing for a long time.

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Re: Shite

@AC - don't think it'll be new and exciting more like tried and trusted

Is that 'tried and trusted' in the same way that uk.guv is "strong and stable". If so, I'll pass.

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Re: Shite

I meant tried and trusted way of fucking things up but hey ho.

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Re: Worst thing: M$FT has now full access to our PRIVATE REPOS!!

"Now our worst competitor (M$FT) has now full access to our private repos with our software source code !"

Wasn't this considered when you started to use Github or at some point in the product life cycle when things reached the point where they could justify a solution that allowed you to protect against this type of eventuality? While it is convenient, it's not the only option and if you have concerns about third party competitors wouldn't that justify keeping your crown jewels in-house? Or at least hosted in a cloud solution (assuming a cloud solution provides the availability/accessibility that an in-house solution may not) where you had the ability to control things like encryption etc to prevent unauthorised third parties accessing your crown jewels?

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@Harley

Wonder which new and exciting way they're gonna fuck it up.

It doesn't have to go down that way though.

I'm a vivid Minecraft player, a game Microsoft bought for around 2.5 billion, and we've had the same share of doom scenario's: it would mean the end of Minecraft because $Microsoft. And of course also because originally Minecraft is build on Java and we all know Microsoft somewhat competes against that with their C#.NET platform. This would be bad(tm).

Now, in all honesty they have made a somewhat controversial decision by renaming the original Minecraft version into "Minecraft - Java edition" while they focused themselves on the so called "Pocket Edition" which is now dubbed the 'default' or 'real' Minecraft edition.

Not a popular decision for sure, but it does make some sense if you consider that there are more players on the consoles than on the Java version.

But this is the thing: the so called "doomed" Java version is still going strong and is still being actively maintained. In fact: the Java version is currently used to pitch and test new features and ideas and after they have been tested and set up on Java do they get moved to the Windows 10 version and beyond ("PE").

At the time of writing the Java edition is anxiously awaiting release 1.13, dubbed Project Aquatica.

Microsoft being bad for Minecraft? Sorry, but so far I haven't noticed any of that. In fact I can even say that it is the opposite. Because also... please mention a game where you can play multiplayer on the PC and across gaming consoles alike? I'm not that big a gamer, but to my knowledge there aren't that many, if maybe none at all. Minecraft does.

There's a lot of prejudice and negativity towards Microsoft and sure: some of the stories are definitely true. But it doesn't have to be all bad. I've (sporadically) used their Codeplex website and that too wasn't all that bad. Heck, Microsoft was even realistic enough to eventually conclude that Github was the better website.

So yeah, I'm not worried. I think this could also turn out into a good thing for Github.

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Re: They might not fuck it up.

Wrong.

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Re: @Harley

I've been writing books since I was an infant, I have been published in 47 languages, and still some cunts get my name wrong.

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Re: Shite

"They might not fuck it up"

I was very disappointed that the early rumours turned into real facts.

That said, they have given an undertaking that GitHub will remain autonomous like LinkedIn is and they have appointed Nat Friedman as the new GitHub CEO. There is the opportunity now for them not to completely stuff things up and alienate developers. Time will tell.

I would have still much preferred GitHub to have gone down the route of an initial public share offering since that could have avoided corporate dominance but that's history and a lost opportunity now.

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Re: Shite

At least it wasn't Google.

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Er, insist all development is on Microsoft platforms and none of this Linux malarkey?

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@J. R. Hartley said: "Wonder which new and exciting way they're gonna fuck it up."

They'll integrate it with Linkdin, Skype, Azure and MS developer tools.

Their press release said: "... bring Microsoft’s developer tools and services to new audiences."

Expect to see Github features appearing which hook your code repos directly into MS Azure for deployment. Your Github rankings will be reflected in your Linkdin profile. If you don't have a Linkdin profile, one will be automatically created for you based on your Github data. Skype will be integrated into team meetings for projects. MS Visual Studio will have deep integration into GitHub beyond just being a Git client.

So, you'll still be able to use Github via the web interface and via the command line Git client, but every possible Microsoft service that can be integrated into Github will be to the degree that a software developer could work through the life of an entire project without ever leaving the Microsoft walled garden.

Microsoft just paid a staggering amount for Github (three times as much as press analysts were speculating) and they will be looking for ways to make that back. Introducing a variety of forms of vendor lock-in in order to sell other goods and services is the obvious choice here.

I'm looking into what is involved in setting up a Gitlab account. I won't pull my open source projects from Github, but I won't use it as the sole public repo any more. Just like a lot of Youtubers have come to the realisation that they need to diversify their options rather than being at the mercy of Youtube's latest policies, I'm going to make sure that I can pull the plug on Github at any time if necessary just like I did with Sourceforge.

P.S. Don't be surprised if Amazon come out with some sort of response to this.

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They're idiots. Everyone is using Github...Microsoft is not happy with simply using it, they have to own it and drive everyone away.

Microsoft...The unpopular kid with money who wants to ruin everyone else's fun because they're selfish.

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How will they FUBAR github? They'll implement the #1 thing that Micro-shaft seems to be interested in at the moment:

Use your github login to TRACK YOU online.

Or worse, they'll make it a "Microsoft Logon", so it ties in with _EVERYTHING_ _ELSE_. Same with LinkedIn, no doubt.

One login to rule them all, one login to FIND YOU. One login to track you all and in the darkness BIND YOU (to Micro-shaft's "services" and slurp and tracking).

"YOU are 'the commodity'"

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"Microsoft...The unpopular kid with money who wants to ruin everyone else's fun because they're selfish."

Best! Assessment! Yet!

Beer, sir!

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They don't always fuck things up. I had the Microsoft C compiler v4.0 and CodeView in the mid 80s and it was genuinely good. Not sure anything since then has been though...

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Re: Shite

True. And I might wake up to find myself a billionaire tomorrow.

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" they have given an undertaking that GitHub will remain autonomous like LinkedIn is "

And yet, understanding or not, Microsoft did destroy what made LinkedIn useful.

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"At least it wasn't Google."

I don't see how Google would have been any worse. Certainly not better, of course.

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"They'll integrate it with Linkdin, Skype, Azure and MS developer tools."

This is what I expect, and is why I'm done with Github.

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Re: @Harley

It's a little sad when you have to reach to something as trivial and relatively unimportant as Minecraft in order to find an example of something that Microsoft didn't fuck up.

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Re: M$ evil tactic: Embrace, extend, and extinguish

"Read the book "Chaos Monkeys: Obscene Fortune and Random Failure in Silicon Valley""

Post by author?

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Re: Shite

As ye sow so shall ye reap.

See also Oracle/Open Office.

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Re: M$ evil tactic: Embrace, extend, and extinguish

> Post by author?

No, I just read the book the other week. And "the boys" named themself "mafia", until it wasn't cool anymore I guess. You know, like the Paypal founders called themself (Thiel, Musk, ...) the "Paypal mafia". Some downvotes just means the post got upset them, and they enabled their peers. It's nothing to the anger WE the COMMUNITY have now, as they sold out to M$.

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"They might not fuck it up."

LOL, that's awesome man, I'm taking that!

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Re: Worst thing: M$FT has now full access to our PRIVATE REPOS!!

All your code are belong to us.

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"Only allow Office365 subscribers to reset their passwords, or sometimes only outlook.com emails or occasionally only live.com - which depends on the phase of the moon.

Remove the code checkin/out feature but add new options to post photos to your project timeline"

Oh, I see you have used Skype then.

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Re: Shite

They might not fuck it up.

LMAO, that's the funniest thing I have heard all year !!

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Added support with Skype? A way to actually link a proper CI process to Azure?

The possibilities are endless ..

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Re: Shite

This is MSFT. If they were called Dyson we could at least say they make a product that does not suck.

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Re: Shite

Microsoft C compiler v4.0 and CodeView in the mid 80s

That was indeed a solid product. IIRC, it was basically a repackaged version of a compiler/debugger by a company they bought. (Whitesmiths?)

It took a while, but they eventually f*&^#d it up: it turned into VisualStudio.

EDIT:

Nope, I misremembered. The first couple versions of Microsoft C were repackaged versions of Liveboat's Lattice-C compiler. Supposedly versions 3 and up were developed entirely by MS:

https://winworldpc.com/product/microsoft-c-c/2x

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Re: Shite

> They don't always fuck things up. I had the Microsoft C compiler v4.0 and CodeView in the mid 80s and it was genuinely good.

Microsoft had bought those from Lattice.

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Re: Worst thing: M$FT has now full access to our PRIVATE REPOS!!

If you're keeping your source code *anywhere* on the internet in a form where it's not encrypted then at some point this is going to hapoen. The only defense is contracts with teeth and a supplier which operates in a jurisdiction where such contracts mean something (so, not the US, at least).

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Hollywood predicted it, check out "Conspiracy.com" (film)

Watch the movie "Conspiracy.com" (2001, also released as "Antitrust"), it's about a fiction tech-corp that closely resembles Microsoft. The story is about a tech-corp slurping source code from free software movement.

"Conspiracy.com's pro–open source story excited industry leaders and professionals, with the prospects of expanding the public's awareness and knowledge level of the availability of open-source software. The film heavily features Linux and its community, using screenshots of the Gnome desktop, consulting Linux professionals, and including cameos by Miguel de Icaza and Scott McNealy [Sun Microsystems]. Jon Hall, executive director of Linux International and consultant on the film, said "[Conspiracy.com] is a way of bringing the concept of open source and the fact that there is an alternative to the general public, who often don't even know that there is one."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust_(film)

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Re: Shite

Who cares. It literally takes 6 minutes to pull, change the remote, push to BitBucket and delete your Github account.

You also get the benefit of private and public repositories, for free, and most of all, not participating in Microsoft's embrace, extend, extinguish games they are so renowned for.

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Re: Shite

Trivial, 3 git commands to move your code repository from github to butbucket, and then a couple of clicks and type in "delete me" and it's job done.

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