back to article Blood spilled from another US high school shooting has yet to dry – and video games are already being blamed

Once again, a mass murderer has opened fire at a school in America – this one is Santa Fe High School in Texas – and video games are already being blamed. Rather than, oh, say, gun control, or the lack thereof. Details are still coming in. The attack happened just a few hours ago. At this stage, it appears nine students and …

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Is that the shooter used his father's guns. The father was presumably not a victim of mental-health issues. He probably missed the signs that his kid was about to go off the rails. Texas is a very pro-gun state, so good luck getting its citizens to prevent their kids from taking a pistol or shotgun out for a ride. As the kid was only 17, he couldn't legally buy a handgun. But how can you absolutely prevent a messed-up kid from raiding the gun save?

Please don't say, "Ban all guns," or something akin to that. It may have worked in the UK and parts of the Commonwealth, but it isn't going to happen in the U.S.

Maybe if the perps got less spectacular coverage, the wannabes would be less inclined to try to outdo them. The recent spike in shootings looks an awful lot like a few losers trying to get their names in the news.

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"But how can you absolutely prevent a messed-up kid from raiding the gun safe?"

Don't give him the key?

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Any responsible gun owner who doesn't keep guns in a safe where children - including many teenagers - can't get them and their ammunition freely *is not* a responsible owner, and he or she has a serious mental issue called "gun addiction & worshiping".

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Kids are dead, what exactly do you expect the mass media to do? I hate mass media with a passion but on this they are doing the right thing probably because they have no choice.

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"But how can you absolutely prevent a messed-up kid from raiding the gun save [safe]?"

Perhaps by not having one - along with the gun that goes inside.

I'm truly sorry to hear this has happened again, but history will repeat itself again unless something changes, either the law on availability or further restrictions to firearm capability which might help reduce the death toll in future shootings.

The UK, in particular London, have had problems with high knife crime - banning knives would not be practical but guns are a different beast.

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"9 thumbs down"

Wow, I've hit a nerve. Some people have been trying to further regulate guns in the U.S. for more than 60 years. I've seen it myself. Anyone who thinks there's a quick and easy 'fix' is deluded. My post was simply a statement of fact. Meanwhile, the media are swarming all over the Texas school, so the shooter has gotten all the fame and glory he craved. Somewhere in America, the next "troubled youth" is laying plans to out-do him. Having a free press doesn't mean they have to try to out-do themselves glorifying these creeps.

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You’re kidding yourself, I’m afraid - there has been no serious attempt to regulate gun ownership in the US. The NRA simply won’t stand for it.

Truth it, there are sound reasons for permitting licensed ownership of rifles and shotguns (essential tools for farmers and hunters), provided that those weapons are demonstrably securely stored when not it use.

There is no excuse for permitting private use of pistols and semi or fully automatic weapons. They’re dangerous, they kill (as has tragically been seen again today) and they have no practical purpose outside the military.

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> [...] what exactly do you expect the mass media to do?

Show some restraint. Don't glorify the killer. Report on people who resolved grievances without going on a rampage.

There are many things the mass media should be doing to help. Sadly they can't see past ratings.

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"Please don't say, "Ban all guns," "

How about licensing guns with a requirement for basic firearms safety training, and a gun safe with a yearly police inspection required to get a gun license - like the UK does. And ban assault rifles - they simply have no legitimate civilian use.

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" But how can you absolutely prevent a messed-up kid from raiding the gun save?"

Use one of these?

https://www.safe.co.uk/Categories/gun-cabinets/lock-biometric-lock/1.html

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@Florida 1920:

Sorry to say this, but that pathetic combination of defeatism (nothing can be done) and American exceptionalism (nothing can be done because we're AMERICAN) is exactly where the problem lies.

Contrary to the mantra of the gun manufacturers (for whom the NRA is simply their mouthpiece), the USA does have a perfectly good mechanism to amend the constitution (e.g. the 21st amendment reversing the disastrous 18th), so perhaps it's time for do the same for the 2nd (or at least clarify it back to its obvious original purpose top allow State militias), and bring the USA back into the realms of civilised countries.

Those (like you) who argue against the possibility of fixing the gun problem aren't merely discussing the problem, you ARE the problem, and we can only hope that as/when your generation is replaced by your descendants, then perhaps sanity will eventually prevail.

Yes, I know this is close to a personal attack, and I dislike them in general as much as anyone else, but this is a much wider issue, affecting a significant number of your compatriots, and it's time that arrogant Americans were told just how stupid their ridiculous views are when viewed from any other perspective.

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Well, Mr Florida1920, if you and your like are unwilling to do anything about guns other than take pot shots at straw men, then you'd better get used to this happening again, and again, and again, and accept that other countries are going to look at you with disgust, and that your death toll is going to rise a lot higher than your thumbs down count is going to go. Hope it never happens to you and yours.

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I wish I could upvote you a million times as I have been saying this forever!

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@Dave Harvey

One point constantly raised when discussing the U.S.'s "gun problem" is a comparison with the UK, Canada, Australia, or all three. Maybe because we all sort of speak the same language. The U.S. fought a war to get out of the Commonwealth. We don't have a monarchy, but we have two legislative bodies. It's easy to blame the NRA and claim the NRA is the problem. The NRA is a membership organization. Yes, they lobby the legislature, just like Big Oil and Big Agriculture. So, is the problem the NRA or the laws regarding lobbying? If the majority of Americans want more gun control, they have a method to get it. It's called "voting." I can remember anti-gun campaigns dating back 60 years. Simply stating the obvious doesn't make me part of the problem. The Texas shooter, BTW, didn't use one of those dreaded "assault rifles" (a term invented by the anti-gun movement); he used a shotgun and a revolver. Should his father be charged for letting him get to them? Maybe, but good luck with that in Texas.

The U.S. is in a hell of a mess. The president is a gangster, and 40% of the population still supports him. Unfortunately, a significant portion of that 40% are pro-gun. Wishful thinking for simple solutions isn't going to work. You aren't going to solve one part of American cultural dysfunction without solving most of the other parts. As I said, I only stated the obvious. If the majority of Americans rose up and demanded Congress get rid of the entire Trump regime, I might see some hope on the gun front. You don't cure disease by treating the symptoms. School shootings are only the symptom of a much larger problem engulfing the U.S.

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That might help. I read somewhere about the theory that it's now a numbers game like the more kills the better.

News is a big part of the problem. Does one's news feed need to be filled by any single story be it politics or a shooting?

I can go along with "controls" such as mandatory gun safe locked down and the only access by the owner. I'd love to own an M1 and an M14 but I don't. Same for a .45 pistol. Memory of the military But... kids visiting, a target for burglary, so I don't. Assault weapons weren't used in this case but probably should be banned In my eyes they really are not useful even for home defense or anything other than target shooting. It's their abuse that's the problem.

The catch with banning assault weapons is collecting them. Perhaps a huge license fee, inspections like they do for machine guns. Yes, you can own a machine gun legally here in the States. Pay the application fee (non refundable as I recall), let the government do the background checks, the site security checks, etc. and then there's a yearly license fee. The problem will still be the illegal ones out there.

Making something illegal doesn't stop it and that is crux of the problem.

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Don't forget this (alleged) perpetrator also (allegedly) made BOMBS. If he's willing to do that, he's willing to engage in all *KINDS* of different illegal activity to do what he wants to do.

These kinds of people have a name: criminals. And no law in the world will stop them (but in most cases, it probably deters them). But the law CAN incarcerate them. And so it shall.

To the best of my knowledge, it was illegal for a 17 year old kid to even possess/transport firearms. It was illegal to bring them to school. It was also illegal to shoot people and plant bombs around the area.

Having laws against these things did not STOP them from happening. However, it DOES allow the courts to put this (alleged) perpetrator in JAIL, following proper legal procedings. And THAT should prevent him from doing it again, as well as sending a clear message to any OTHER potential perp out there... unless he gets off on a technicality, or slap-on-wrist sentencing for being "underage", and then gets out of prison to rinse/repeat.

(but this happened in Texas, so they'll throw the book at him)

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Invest in a quality gun safe with the parent only have the key and not leaving it in a place where the kid can get it. If you leave it in a certain place, move it each week in case the kid has worked out where the key is.

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@Florida1920

The mechanism of voting is temporarily broken in America, as it is in much of the rest of the world.

The problem is that the other half of the voting equation is marketing - most people can’t be bothered to investigate the issues for themselves so they will either default to tribal partisanship or go along with whichever campaign is glossiest and triggers a rush of endorphins.

The NRA is very good at marketing - so of course people buy guns and sign up. It doesn’t, however, follow that the less sexy option of not owning a gun can’t become sexy (the marketing just has to be done right). For example, seat belts and airbags aren’t sexy - but would you buy a car without them (before they were well marketed you probably wouldn’t have wasted your money on a car with them…). Similarly, in the 1970s and even the 1980s most people didn’t have (or want) a computer - but now the damn things are everywhere, and are even seen as being fashion statements by some people…

…which is a problem because all these computers have enabled social media which allows, for the first time in a century, unscrutinised marketing. In the traditional media, if you lie then you get your wrists slapped and you have to publish a retraction. In this brave new world if you lie then you get Trump and Brexit. Marketing, done right, can help rid us of the scourge of guns and knives. But we do need effective scrutiny.

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45RPM - agreed.

I can’t comment on America’s culture, much less Texas’. But this is clearly a tradegy of significant proportion.

As a Brit, living close to the US air bases (Mildenhall and Lakenheath) and being a generation of the internet - inevitably I’ve been told I’ve “given up my freedom” and “lost my rights” etc by not having laxer gun laws / greater “gun rights” here in the UK.

Again - I am categorically not commenting on Texas. For me however, these tragic events continue to remind me that I have a very special right and a very special freedom: the right and freedom to send kids to school without any realistic expectation of them seeing a gun, much less being shot by one.

My deepest condolences to the families of those killed or otherwise hurt.

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Look at it from the gun owner's perspective. Gun safes are great if you have a gun for sport or hunting, but a lot of people who buy guns value them a weapons for personal defence. A gun safe ruins that - if you anticipate having to fend off a home invasion, you won't have time for getting to the safe, fumbling with the lock in the dark, unpacking and carefully loading the ammunition. You want that gun ready and loaded in a place you can grab it, like a bedside drawer. Grab gun, flick safety, defend family.

Or, you know, you could just sneak out the back and call the police rather than declaring yourself judge, jury and executioner. But that doesn't satisfy people's craving for independence or their hero fantasy.

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Can't sneak out the back if the intruder's already inside. Could see you and want no witnesses. And if you're upstairs, that'll be one of the first places they check, cornering you. And that's not assuming they're directly out for you like in a rape.

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> what exactly do you expect the mass media to do?

Watch this Charlie Brooker video featuring a forensic psychiatrist and decide if global wall-to-wall coverage of every mass shooting in America is really the best and only option available to the media outlets.

Mental health issues, inadequate gun control, and the instant "fame" from mass news coverage is a powerful and dangerous combination but at least one of those factors could be addressed fairly quickly, although we know it won't be either of the first two.

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@SRaven

"but a lot of people who buy guns value them a weapons for personal defence. "

Which isn't necessary a bad thing. I don't think people are calling for guns to be banned but controlled. Does a home owner need a loaded assault rifle at hand 24 hours a day to protect themselves from a home invader or would a hand gun suffice (never having held anything bigger than a .22 target pistol and that was 30 years ago this is a genuine question)? What is wrong with assault / hunting rifles being kept in locked safe and a hand gun readily available?

I imagine that hand guns kill people a lot less quickly than assault rifles so restricting access to them would help reduce the death toll of a school shooter.

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"These kinds of people have a name: criminals. And no law in the world will stop them (but in most cases, it probably deters them)."

Except that our laws in the UK do (contrary to myths from the NRA) massively reduce shootings, simply because they reduce the availability of guns to casual criminals. Sure, the drug gangs have a few, but the average kid like this one simply could get his hands on one, as his father wouldn't have any for him to steal.

Which of course is why you need PROPER gun rules, which simply, as in most civilised countries, would ban ANYONE outside the military/law enforcement from owning ANY gun which can fire more than one or two shots without a manual reload. As is often pointed by the NRA and their gun-selling friends, simply banning some people from getting guns is useless - a more comprehensive solution is needed.

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@Florida1920:

I actually agree with much of what you say - especially about the gangster in the White House, but there are a few things to take issue with:

1) War of independence: This was nearly 250 years ago, with different weapons, and I can assure you that we (the UK) have absolutely no wish to invade you again, and if anyone tried, then I'm sure that your military would manage perfectly well without assistance from the general population! So really, this is a crazy excuse for "exceptionalism" - you're now no different from any other country, and you need to "get over" what happened centuries ago.

2) NRA: I laugh when I see the NRA described as a "membership" organisation - the membership fees are tiny and barely cover the cost of the admin, and the vast majority of the money is sourced from the gun and ammunition manufacturers, and we all know that he who pays the piper calls the tune!

3) Lobbying: Here we can 100% agree, the lobbying system in the US is totally screwed, and when combined with a dumb, impressionable electorate (38% of whom are so stupid that they believe that the earth is < 10,000 old!), this does effectively allow votes simply to be bought through advertising. Of course, the fact that the Supreme Court effectively legalised political corruption recently via 2 rulings (Citizens United & McDonnell) makes that even easier!

4) I made no mention in my most of "assault weapons" or even of school shootings - the problem is ALL privately held guns, and as you rightly say, the school shootings are the tip of a huge iceberg of avoidable deaths.

5) Yes, of course the Dad should be charged - I'm not an expert on Texas law, but some variety of negligent homicide would seem most appropriate - if nothing else it might persuade a few more parents to take better control of their guns (who knows, it might even cut the crazy number of shootings of and by toddlers!).

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The solution is on the face of it, simple - increased gun control. However, before that happens, it would require a sea-change in attitudes. This is beginning to happen, but it's a cultural thing. Here in the UK it seems quite an obvious move. After the Dunblane massacre (where a number of young children were shot dead), nobody (except for Prince Philip, I seem to remember!) objected to very much increased gun control (and we already had some pretty strict rules). Perversely enough,here in the UK it is legal to own a semi-automatic "assault rifle" - if you can prove you need one. But it is not legal to own a revolver or any type of handgun. But in America, the prevailing attitude to guns as being a "right" needs to change before anything much will ever happen.

I hope it's soon. Far from being seen as the "world's policeman", it's gone to being the world's "joke country" and with all these loonies who think owning a gun is a good idea, it'll soon become the world's dangerous and to be avoided joke country.

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"Please don't say, "Ban all guns," or something akin to that. It may have worked in the UK and parts of the Commonwealth,"

That's the thing though.

It hasnt worked here, not even a bit.

I know the constant propaganda tells you we have very little gun violence here because of it, but the actual fact of the matter is that we have never really had a problem with gun violence to start with, even when guns were widely available to the public.

And the levels of violent gun crime are at similar levels as they have always been.

And lets face it the UK has banned just about everything to the point where it is a meme.

'Oi M8, you got a licence for that!'

Hasn't stopped London from having more murders than New York.

And there are countries in Europe that have plenty of guns in their population, and virtually no gun crime.

But they are often overlooked, (And by overlooked, I mean purposely ignored because they go against the main propaganda points) because its easier to blame 'things' than 'people'

Because you cant blame people or groups of people for their actions, because people being held responsible is apparently a bad thing.. for reasons..

That said I do have to wonder though how many of these kids, surrounded, influenced (indoctrinated?) in 'celebrity culture', would of even thought to do these things, if the media didnt go out of their way to make sure that they would be household names, I mean CNN had supposedly taken screenshots of his facebook pages minutes after it happened ffs.

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Regulate ammunition supplies.

For personal protection,. you don't need more than one reload. If it takes more than that you've lost.

For agriculture (most likely a shotgun), licences and appropriate storage can handle it.

For target shooting, the shooting range can control it.

For gun-nuts with a huge cache 'because' - prosecute.

Avoid a rampager having a big enough cache to shoot more than a few rounds and the problem will be less.

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Always from the same school?

Is it only me who can't help but notice that it's almost every time someone from the same school who is responsible for this kind of horrific action? And am I the only one wondering what led up to all this?

For all I know the kid could have been bullied for most of his time at school and eventually snapped and decided to take things to extremes. That would definitely tell you something about the mental state of the shooter, but it would also reveals quite a bit about the school they attended. However, the 'why' part is usually fully ignored, even though you could increase your chances of trying to prevent stuff like this from happening if you did pay some attention to that too. Just make sure you're not treating this as some kind of twisted 'excuse' but to find ways where you might improve on things.

I can't help but get the impression that instead of walk outs from school to protest against gun violence it might be a much better idea to organize a walk IN: trying to band together and to make sure that all students are pretty much on the same level. Especially where mutual respect for each other is concerned.

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Instead of fixing the problem...

There is a solution here, but the democrats refuse to embrace it. You think you can live in a cotton candy colored world, but that is not reality. Violence will always exist. You can put a lock on a knife, a club, a rock...

Armed security guards in the schools is the only solution. That or make the schools akin to a high security prison with constantina line gates and 100% pat downs prior to entering the building.

Oh yeah, better get rid of the Science labs as well - explosives in the making...

"Harry: And how is theory supposed to prepare us for what's out there?

Umbridge: There is nothing out there dear. Who would you imagine would want to attack children like yourself?

Harry: Oh, I don't know, maybe Lord Voldemort?"

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After the regular US massacres where AR15s are used, we get the normal corrections from gun nuts insisting it's not an assault rifle. And they're right.

But why don't shooters use assault rifles? We assume they're better for killing people, because the military have them. And they're fully automatic. But the perps don't arm themselves with M16s... instead they go in with the semi-auto, lower calibre AR15. Why?

It's because it turns out the US does have some regulations. It seems to be very hard to get hold of fully auto assault rifles, hence shooters arm themselves with the inferior AR15.

And so this proves two things.

Firstly, gun control works. That's why shooters end up using AR15s instead of the superior M16 the military uses. The argument that bad guys won't take any notice of the law doesn't stand up. If that were true, they'd all have M16s. The problem is, gun control works, so much as they might prefer to have them, they simply cannot get hold of them.

Secondly, there is no constitutional problem with enacting more gun control. There is clearly no problem in the US banning certain types of guns (M16s), or making them incredibly hard to get hold of, to the point where there are very few of them in circulation. So it's simply a matter of where to draw the line.

The problem is really that there are too many people in the US who are wedded to the idea of owning guns, who feel safer, even if they're living in a country 5 times more dangerous than Europe, and politicians who have political and economic connections to the gun industry.

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Europe was awash with guns after WW2, but somehow managed to remove them from society and become some of the safest countries in the world.

Making something illegal does not stop it happening, but are you proposing legalizing rape and murder? This is not a reason not to have laws. If the laws were never broken, you'd not need them in the first place.

The problem in the US I think is the focus on the big school massacres. The belief that gun deaths are because of mentally ill kids, and that somehow if you can keep an eye on their facebook or stop them playing video games, you'd solve the problem. But the fact is, the vast majority of gun deaths result from the kind of disputes that happen routinely throughout the world - domestic arguments, neighbours rowing over trivial things, road rage, etc. in Europe might result in fisticuffs and someone getting a black eye, but in the US the same red mist ends up with guns drawn and people getting shot. They are not pre-meditated attacks, they're routine disputes which turn deadly only because of the ease of access to firearms.

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The guns for self defence is mainly for the delusional. You or someone in your family are more likely to be killed or injured by your gun than the chances of you needing to use it for self defense.

If you really feel that you need a gun for self defence then either you're paranoid and you don't really need a gun, or you live in a shithole and you should consider moving elsewhere.

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"I mean CNN had supposedly taken screenshots of his facebook pages minutes after it happened ffs."

Although I take your point re the facebook pages screenshotting, that's can also be seen as grabbing it while it's there. It's highly likely that those sorts of pages etc. will be taken down rather quickly in these sorts of situations. But I have little doubt the prime motivation was so they could use them in the breaking news sections.

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AR-15 style rifles make excellent rifles for shooting nuisance animals, such as wild feral pigs, Coyotes, and Antelope jackrabbits.

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Unfortunately you seem to have hit a vein of stupidity our American cousins seem obsessed with.

Any normal person on being told you are twice as likely to be shot by a Toddler than killed by a terrorist would think Holy Ship its time for gun law reform. Some Americans think "I need to pop out and buy an assault rifle".

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/08/trump-muslim-terrorists-gun-violence-america-deaths

Honestly guns should only be carried by the specially trained minority of law enforcement (if you give them to all cops being non white seems to up your risks substantially) and the Military preferably well trained as well.

There is some sense in those that target shoot or manage land having single shot arms for targets, foxes or rats.

We have had > 60 knife deaths this year and questions are being asked in the house, For you that's a bad week in Texas for gun crime.

Please lobby for gun control, your population deserve it. Now we are related by marriage I think I have to say something :)

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"Having laws against these things did not STOP them from happening."

True but statistics show that countries with laws limiting access to guns by means of licensing have gun crimes/deaths/homicide rates orders of magnitude lower than the USA. In this respect, the USA is an anomaly among developed wealthy countries, having gun crime/death/homicde rates on par with poor developing countries in Africa and South America.

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"Hasn't stopped London from having more murders than New York."

In a one month snapshot. When looking at annual figures for 2017, New York had 3.4 homicides per 100,000 people, whereas London only had 1.2 homicides per 100,000 people.

"I know the constant propaganda tells you we have very little gun violence here because of it, but the actual fact of the matter is that we have never really had a problem with gun violence to start with, even when guns were widely available to the public."

Gun control in the UK started in 1903 and became succesively tighter over the last 100 years. Guns have not been readily available in the UK in living memory.

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Mental health issues, inadequate gun control, and the instant "fame" from mass news coverage is a powerful and dangerous combination but at least one of those factors could be addressed fairly quickly, although we know it won't be either of the first two.

Media coverage of such events is often appalling. For the news channels each mass shooting is good for at least a few days wall to wall coverage, "justifying" their existence.

Here in the UK we used to have a problem with IRA terrorists phoning in bomb warnings on the London Underground. There was a spate of these, fake. Lots of disruption. Cue a bunch of media coverage (though this was the early 1990s so it wasn't as saturated as it is today).

We sorted it out by banning reporting of these events. The problem soon went away, despite censorship being undemocratic...

The US constitution seems to be true cause of lots of problems, perhaps it should be changed.

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"The mechanism of voting is temporarily broken in America, as it is in much of the rest of the world." Is this a comment on the fact that voting outcomes are what (usually) a majority want and not what a minority want? (The electoral college is a special case that solved a political problem in 1789 and for which a rational case still may be made despite the fact that the intent behind it largely has been destroyed).

Again, is the NRA successful because they induce people to love and acquire firearms, or because a very large number of people already believe, correctly, that they have a right to do so and willingness to join - and fund - the NRA to advocate for them, in accordance with their first amendment right "peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances?"

Is contemporary social media an extension of the self-appointed institutional "press" or is it a vast expansion of the old fashioned and effective rumor mill that was done largely outside of any formal control? (My answer: a bit of each.) And is its content really greatly different from attacks on Thomas Jefferson or Grover Cleveland (for example) in their presidential campaigns?

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Google "Jim Jeffries gun control youtube"

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For all I know the kid could have been bullied for most of his time at school and eventually snapped and decided to take things to extremes.

A fellow student said that the shooter ALWAYS wore a dirty old long trenchcoat, and smelled badly, and was often mocked/teased for it.

{Source: https://youtu.be/EZpUUFEZ3t8)

I know you aren't using this as an excuse - but many people will - it's a diversionary topic - Growing up, there were kids like that in my school. I'm sure everyone here was in school with someone similar. There were presumably also kids who were being abused, kids mocked for their sexuality, kids from broken homes etc.etc.etc. - didn't make them mass murderers though.

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Armed security guards in the schools is the only solution.

I've been coming to this site for 5 years.

That is the worst and most stupid post I've ever read. Even the Youtube-comments pondscum trolls aren't usually that moronic.

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if you anticipate having to fend off a home invasion,

The problem with using guns to fend off home invasions is that if an intruder expects a resident of a target home to have a gun, then they need to bring a gun with them to carry out the burglary.

So the desperate smackhead who wants to grab a few easy to carry items of value to sell for his next score, now has to open fire when he encounters anybody in the home.

He could even take care of the residents before they wake.

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Incidentally, one person was killed and another injured at another school shooting incident in Georgia on the same day. Georgia school shooting: One killed, two injured.

I bet hardly anyone knows about this. One school death won't make the headlines....

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Mass media always have a choice in the west.

The problem is all too often they chose money (i.e. ratings) over balanced reporting.

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I've been coming to this site for 5 years

Actually, that's wrong. My first post was 11 years ago.... Time flies when you're an old fart like me :-(

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You should add ......This information is brought to you by the NRA.

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Lock up the father too, for allowing the kid access to the guns. He is also responsible for the behaviour of his children under the age of 18.

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Re: Early information

"Maybe if the perps got less spectacular coverage, the wannabes would be less inclined to try to outdo them. The recent spike in shootings looks an awful lot like a few losers trying to get their names in the news."

A new approach to rival the stupidity of blaming video games - "if we all ignore it, maybe it will go away".

Alternatively, instead of banning guns, perhaps there could be an exception that you can own a musket. Instead of semi-automatic weapons, perhaps a gun where it takes you a few minutes and a helluva lot of effort to reload it yourself.

The constitution calls for a right to bear arms. I don't see anyone rallying for their own ICBMs, so pretty much every gun advocate agrees with limits on the 2nd amendment.

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