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The US Department of Defense (DoD) still intends to choose just one vendor for its multibillion-dollar cloud contract – amid complaints from Oracle's co-CEO that such a plan "makes no sense". The Pentagon made waves last month when it published a draft proposal document calling for just one cloud services provider to run the …

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  1. Muppetry

    Seriously??

    Offerors?? Who came up with that? What's wrong with suppliers, vendors, responders, partners or any of the other words that could have done the job far more effectively?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Seriously??

      Yet it's the term which is used in legal circles. I'm not a lawyer myself but my understanding is it specifically refers to someone offering a contract, without the ambiguity associated with all of your suggestions, at least from a legal standpoint.

      The law (in various jurisdictions) is full of this sort of stuff. It makes sense to them. To the rest of us, your comment probably says it all.

    2. Steve K Silver badge

      Re: Seriously??

      The offeror is who the contractor is pre-contract (i.e. the supplier offering the contract for acceptance) - it's an established contract law term.

      Once accepted then the contract is binding on the offeror.

    3. Anonymous South African Coward Silver badge

      Re: Seriously??

      Is an Offeror something like a Dementor?

      1. Ledswinger Silver badge

        Re: Seriously??

        Is an Offeror something like a Dementor?

        No. Here's a definition of a Demetor. An Offeror is similar in most respects but MUCH more evil.

        1. Stevie Silver badge

          Re: Seriously??

          Well, even the BBC now uses the hateful "Coup Plotters", coined by some anonymous drone working for King George the First.

          It seems that if the choice is to go looking in a thesaurus or simply stick "ers" on whatever verb is appropriate, Verb Stickers beat out Look Uppers every time.

          1. PNGuinn Silver badge
            Headmaster

            Re: Seriously??

            Commentarders is seriously uglier. Err ...

          2. psychonaut

            Re: Seriously??

            "Coup Plotters" - i used to have one of those. big A1 thing. lovely

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Seriously??

      Not sure why only AWS could win. Azure at least has similar and often more security and operational certifications.

      1. json

        Re: Seriously??

        The last time I checked they're clocking in at 50+ AWS and 70+ for Azure... but really at those levels I doubt an extra 20+ certification for an esoteric certification or jurisdiction (or even obscure certification body!) will be a game changer.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    JEDI Cloud

    All in one convenient place for the Dark Side to read accidentally unsecured data.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: JEDI Cloud

      Large chunks of this outsourcing are already outsourced - I believe IBM were the big losers in 2012 when a number of US government departments moved to some shiny new, government only bit-barns provided by AWS called "GovCloud".

      The GovCloud DC's operate independently of the public AWS service and connectivity is "controlled". While I don't know for sure, I would assume Azure and Google have similar siloed DC's if they have any existing government contracts.

      The AWS service is continuing to expand so I suspect Oracle's real question is "does this mean we missed out on the government cloud game?" I suspect I know the answer unless Oracle have some super secret DC's hiding somewhere...

      1. tom dial Silver badge

        Re: JEDI Cloud

        Oracle has been a major beneficiary of DoD purchasing and probably still is. When I left government employ at the end of 2011, Oracle had a fairly secure lock on DoD large and medium database business and we had a lot of little ones on it as well. There were a few DB2 large mainframe databases and a sprinkling of DB2 for Linux/Unix/Windows and SQL Server on Windows. I had tried without success to stir up a little interest in Postgresql, for which commercial support then was about $700 per year as against the extortionate Oracle rates.

    2. Steve K Silver badge

      Re: JEDI Cloud

      Larry, this isn't the Cloud you're looking for.....

    3. Aqua Marina Silver badge

      Re: JEDI Cloud

      "All in one convenient place for the Dark Side to read accidentally unsecured data."

      All in one convenient place for the Russians, Chinese and North Koreans to concentrate their hacking efforts.

      Talk about painting a target on your back, all your eggs in one basket, single point of failure etc.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: JEDI Cloud

        I wonder if their thinking is that they'll have one vendor to sue if they get hacked. Doubtlessly OPOTUS's idea. Not that that'd get back all those top secret files plans, equipment diagrams, etc...

    4. EarthDog Bronze badge

      Re: JEDI Cloud

      Yes nice acronym. It reeks of marketing through and through. Now that's innovation!

    5. Korev Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: JEDI Cloud

      Or maybe Regan's Star Wars programme will return

    6. SVV Silver badge

      Re: JEDI Cloud

      Military User System Haardware Remote Operational Opportunity Management Cloud would have been a better name for this particular organisation.

    7. Fungus Bob Silver badge

      Re: JEDI Cloud

      The force can have a strong influence on the weak minded:

      BOFH: "You don't need to see his login credentials..."

      General 1: "...We don't need to see his login credentials"

      BOFH: "These aren't the files you're looking for..."

      General 1:"...These aren't the files we're looking for"

      1. Anonymous South African Coward Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: JEDI Cloud

        I can't upvote this BOFH reference enough... :)

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Co-CEO chats with current POTUS?

    Another reason to check that my ten-foot pole is insufficiently long to touch Oracle.

    1. Voland's right hand Silver badge

      Re: Co-CEO chats with current POTUS?

      You have no issues reaching it. A chat at dinner is of no consequence.

      Hurding Catz have failed to understand the primary principles of Golfocracy. What is not decided on the Golf Course is not decided at all. Dinner... Pfa... Now hitting a few balls along the green at an exclusive Presidential Resort...

      1. Ledswinger Silver badge

        Re: Co-CEO chats with current POTUS?

        What is not decided on the Golf Course is not decided at all.

        All the more reason to support my proposal for the prohibition of golf.

        Make all of it illegal (professional and amateur, including putting and driving ranges, "crazy" golf, even practice swings in private, including the sort of noncey pretend swing that Demot O'Leary does. Plough up the golf courses and plant sprouts. Have the RAF's two remaining Tornados tour the nation, using precision weapons to take out golf club houses (maybe let the RN take out Wentworth with a small nuke on a Trident). Make ownership of golfing equipment, paraphernalia and clothing a criminal offence. Reintroduce the death penalty and corporal punishment to ensure justice has the tools to deal with the scourge.

        And most important of all create a Golfing Offenders Register, with members of the public able to search for any registered offenders living near them.

        1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          Re: Co-CEO chats with current POTUS?

          "Have the RAF's two remaining Tornados tour the nation, using precision weapons to take out golf club houses"

          No. Some of them were perfectly respectable historic buildings before they became club houses. They should be rehabilitated.

        2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: Co-CEO chats with current POTUS?

          But if you drive Golf underground you will make these dangerous people much harder to track.

          It's enough to force them to wear distinctive clothing in public as a warning to others

          1. CanadianMacFan

            Re: Co-CEO chats with current POTUS?

            "It's enough to force them to wear distinctive clothing in public as a warning to others"

            They willingly do that now.

          2. PNGuinn Silver badge
            Go

            Re: Co-CEO chats with current POTUS?

            Underground Golph - now THERE'S a an idea that might fly.

        3. Korev Silver badge
          Joke

          Re: Co-CEO chats with current POTUS?

          One major flaw to your plan - the players might survive as every golf course has a bunker...

  4. }{amis}{ Silver badge
    Unhappy

    The Toddler in the White House

    I cant see Amazon getting an an easy time of this given the grudge that Trump has with them.

    I bet if the Pentagon tries to sign a contract he will use his executive powers to veto it.

    Even so i cant agree with any of these multi billion outsourcing contracts, they seldom deliver value for the tax payer and cost mega bucks to sort out if and when they crash.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The Toddler in the White House

      "Even so i cant agree with any of these multi billion outsourcing contracts, they seldom deliver value for the tax payer and cost mega bucks to sort out if and when they crash."

      Are you sure the existing services are in-sourced? A quick Google search suggests DoD were outsourcing at least as early as 1996.

      This is an attempt to rein in spending on outsourcing providers (stares at a number of traditional US outsourcers using largely "legacy" data centres) by using more modern alternatives as other US Government departments have already done.

      And while your comments about Trump not wanting to use Amazon, Oracle making public statements suggests they've already lost the cost war versus other providers and are hoping that complaining will allow them to retain their existing arrangements. I'm not sure Trump will be so interested in supporting excessive government spending on Oracle over a cheaper alternative...

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: The Toddler in the White House

        I'm not sure Trump will be so interested in supporting excessive government spending on Oracle over a cheaper alternative...

        Because absolute truth, statistical accuracy and financial rectitude has forever been a watchword of his campaign

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The Toddler in the White House

      I suspect that's he starts his negotiations; so, I'd suggest that AWS has good shot at it. He's being hardest on the most obvious choice so that they come in low.

      Under most circumstances I'd say that's a good idea, but I'm not sure its total legal, OPOTUS being the President hence the acronym :P Either way it's certainly not ethical, but neither legalities nor ethics play a role bigly in OPOTUSs super eereeor mined ;)

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: The Toddler in the White House

        It's not a negotation.

        The Washington post doesn't say nice things about POTUS - therefore is an enemy

        Bezos owns the WaPo

        Bezos owns Amazon

        Therefore Amazon is an enemy

  5. Doctor Huh?

    JEDI Cloud?!?

    Please, please tell me that the governing body for this project is called the JEDI Council!

    1. Aladdin Sane Silver badge

      Re: JEDI Cloud?!?

      I can see it now:

      Pentagon to Larry Ellison: You are on this Council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master.

    2. Anonymous South African Coward Silver badge

      Re: JEDI Cloud?!?

      "This is not the data you are looking for"...

  6. spodula

    Optional

    I think these providers miss the point of the Pentagon. Its Not to provide large monolithic companies with a constant revenue stream. (Well unless your BAE systems, Lockheed martin or Nothrop Grumman, in which case all bets are off).

    I think Oracle are just feeling the pressure of not being the only game in the field for Large data storage and processing. I sense an detailed Licence Audit comming up.... I think thats how they usually deal with this sort of thing isnt it?

    1. DCFusor Silver badge

      Re: Optional

      Logged in to say the same thing - look at the wording of the objections - it's like a spoiled brat complaining that mommy isn't getting them the new thing they have to have to impress their pals.

      I'd prefer our government look out for out interests, which have near-zero overlap with Oracle. Not to say that this is the best way to do that, but see above - the entitlement complex presented is just disgusting.

      You forgot Boeing, probably the most-subsidized of the MIC in the US. No, make that the most subsidized company of any sort - for the most decades too. They even get an Ex-Im bank to loan foreign customers money to buy their products. Which some subset sometimes pay back someday. We pay the rest.

    2. panoptiq

      Re: Optional

      Personally, I hope IBM gets the contract because of their solid history in conventional data-centers & the requisite security associated with many of them. This gives them credibility when they present their "private cloud" offering to the DoD imho. But who knows? Anyway, it would be a huge shot in the arm for Big-Blue in the cloud space as AWS, Google & Microsoft has that segment on lock-down so far.

    3. Fungus Bob Silver badge

      Re: Optional

      "I think these providers miss the point of the Pentagon. Its Not to provide large monolithic companies with a constant revenue stream."

      You must be new around here...

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Optional

        I hope IBM gets the contract because after years of delays and billions in cost overuns it still won't work

        It could do more to stall the DoD than a generation of peace campaigners

        1. Anonymous South African Coward Silver badge
          Trollface

          Re: Optional

          Missing trollface? :)

        2. naive

          Re: Optional

          Outsourcing to IBM is indeed an interesting alternative, since IBM is on its turn is outsourcing its business to countries having a high probability of being subjected to substantial US military deployments.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Should have called it Highlander instead of JEDI? Only one cloud, the stupid is strong in this one.

  8. Aodhhan Bronze badge

    Oracle... don't make me laugh

    Oracle... the worst vendor in the world from an InfoSec prospective, and yet they want to provide their 2 cents worth. BTW Oracle, this decision makes fantastic sense.

    - This is a private cloud system. So you want to manage it differently.

    - Looking for one vender only, DOES spur competition. The best deal wins. Taxpayers like this.

    - Choosing multiple vendors allows them to increase prices incrementally together. The costs will mainly be fixed, and the format will be such that, at the end of the contract, the DoD isn't subject to vendor lock in.

    - One vendor means simplicity. Don't have to send personnel to a variety of vendor training courses. Again, great for the tax payer.

    - One solution makes it much easier for patching and maintenance.

    - One solution makes it easier to secure. MUCH easier to secure.

    There is more, but you get the point.

    Oracle is obviously isn't looking out for the tax payer or the security of DoD cloud data. It's only out for its own bottom line.

    Oracle, get your security together before you start telling others how silly their ideas and solutions are.

    1. A Non e-mouse Silver badge

      Re: Oracle... don't make me laugh

      Looking for one vender only, DOES spur competition. The best deal wins

      But only for the initial purchase. Once signed, the vendor is more than able to screw the customer with either price increases, huge lags in price decreases or just s**t service.

      As for a ten year contract: That's crazy. I'm reluctant to sign five year contracts, let alone a ten year contract. That's a guarantee of getting shafted by the supplier (Unless, of course, brown paper bags, etc...)

    2. Steve Todd

      Re: Oracle... don't make me laugh

      " the worst vendor in the world from an InfoSec prospective"

      Erm, have you forgotten about Adobe?

    3. panoptiq

      Re: Oracle... don't make me laugh

      " This is a private cloud system. So you want to manage it differently."

      I fully agree with this statement and as such I suspect IBM may have the most to offer in that vein. But leave it to the DoD to screw it up. Lockheed-Martin anyone?

  9. Stoneshop Silver badge
    Mushroom

    the underlying foundational technologies required to maximize the capabilities of weapon systems

    Eh, a cloud tends to be the result of "the capabilities of weapons systems", a.k.a. blowing shit up. And maximising usually just means a bigger cloud.

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