back to article Corking story: Idiotic smart wine bottle idea falls over, passes out

The spit bucket of idiotic tech ideas has just grown a little lighter with the death of "smart wine" company Kuvee. Kuvee was selling an Internet of Things wine bottle, basically a bottle-shaped sleeve with a touchscreen on the front. Owners would buy special cartridges of wine that slide into the bottle, which then displays …

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These clowns were still in business?

Who knew ... I laughed their sales droid out of my office a couple years ago, and kinda figured they dried up and blew away in the breeze.

Or, as my friend (a blender for a largish winery just off Sonoma's Plaza) put it "I think these guys must be smoking instead of drinking" ...

They seem to have one claim to fame, anyway. They are the only wine-related business in all of Sonoma, Napa, Lake or Mendocino counties that claims the fire caused their business to fail. The rest of us are doing just fine. Come visit, spring is here!

Side note: If you really do just want a sip or a glass out of that expensive bottle, you'd do well to look into the Coravin system ... Most of us use one or another of their products. coravin.com

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Re: These clowns were still in business?

I understand the commercial need for systems like Coravin (they're a net gain for high-end restaurants and bars as they allow expensive bottles to be sold out by the glass at higher margin), but in a home setting I'd never open a bottle expensive enough to deserve that kind of preservation without there being enough people around to finish it.

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£350 for a Coravin!!? That would buy a Vacu Vin, a lot of stoppers and still have change to buy some nice wine.

Still, fools and their money....

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Re: These clowns were still in business?

The Coravin paid for itself the first time I used it. I allowed half a dozen prospective buyers to sample a bottle of 1977 Stag's Leap CabSauv over the space of about a year. Three of them got into a bidding war over the remaining 4 cases, which sold for almost four times what the supposed market value was.

To celebrate the sale, we compared the remaining wine in the sample bottle with one of the the six bottles that I retained. Six wine experts in the room couldn't tell the difference. At that point, the tapped bottle had been sitting about half empty in my cellar for nearly 18 months. The Coravin argon did what it was supposed to do. Your Vacu Vin would have turned the sample bottle into vinegar before the third person had a chance to try it.

Note that this isn't built for cheap $30 supermarket plonk. It's a professional tool, built for professionals. I may be a fool, but I don't waste money on the wrong tool for the job.

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Re: These clowns were still in business?

Kuvee fits the same pattern as the Soylent: nerds extrapolating from their own slightly odd needs. Not really much different to people who peddle crystals for healing, etc. for which there seems to be a market. But only in the Valley will you find a VC willing to throw money at something so "magical and revolutionary".

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Re: These clowns were still in business?

A Vacu Vin works for a few days (actually they never work very well with Pinot Noir), but a Coravin lets you drink a bottle over months if you want.

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I'd never open a bottle expensive enough to deserve that kind of preservation without there being enough people

In my book enough == me.

Yes, my wife might have some wine too but, since she falls asleep after just sniffing the wine cork, the majority is left for me.

Which is just how I like it.

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Re: These clowns were still in business?

A Vacu Vin works for a few days

Wine bottles that don't get emptied on the day of opening? Is that some variant of unicorn?

(OK - so Port bottles don't get emptied on the same day[1] but they are a special case)

[1] Unless nephew is staying with us..

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Re: These clowns were still in business?

If we get onto the second or 3rd bottle there might be some left over for the next day

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"That's right, the corked company didn't even have the sense to use the code LASTORDERS."

Maybe one LASTORDER was all they had stock for.

Icon - closest available option.

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A good option though....

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Shoulda' had the promo code be LASTCALL. But, I guess the people in this company aren't the type to hang out at bars.

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Huh?

Come on, guys -- there are still a few days until April 1st!

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Re: Huh?

Yeah. This was the giveaway:

subscribe to receive a batch of four cartridges a month

That's the first weekend of each month dealt with. What about the rest of the month?

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For any wine maker needing to replace their Kuvee system

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+create+QR+codes

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If you want to only drink one glass at a time

Buy a box. One will last me a whole week without going off.

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Re: If you want to only drink one glass at a time

You mean like a box with a dozen bottles in it? Yeah, that's about a week's worth...

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Yup. Too obvious. Keeps all that nasty O2 out, and is wicked cheap if you dig a little - which is half the fun.

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Re: If you want to only drink one glass at a time

A wine box? Sainsbury’s do a rather good house rosé - generally lasts the family one evening.

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Re: If you want to only drink one glass at a time

A former colleague once announced that he and the wife could get through (normally) a couple boxes of wine during the working week. He couldn't understand our concern about how much they were packing away just between Monday and Friday.

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Re: If you want to only drink one glass at a time

Wine in a bag or wine in a box works quite well, just remember that GIGO applies.

The bag+valve is food-grade, and allows no oxygen or light to spoil the contents. The box makes for an easy to store/pack container that fits nicely on a shipping pallet, on the shelf or in the fridge. Unlike glass, they don;t break easily. They are cheaper than the equivalent number of bottles, and the savings is passed along to the consumer. These wines are pre-aged at the winery, so don't try to cellar them. All in all, it's actually a good idea ... for still wine. As long as the plonk in question is drinkable in the first place, of course. Caveat emptor.

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Re: If you want to only drink one glass at a time

he bag+valve is food-grade, and allows no oxygen or light to spoil the contents. The box makes for an easy to store/pack container that fits nicely on a shipping pallet, on the shelf or in the fridge. Unlike glass, they don;t break easily.

Back in the 80-90's my mother and sis used to take the bag out of the box and take it to concerts like Springsteen etc at big open air stadia, as glass bottles were not allowed

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They probably say LASTORDER in the same way as they say MATH when they mean MATHS.

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Either that, or they only expected a single customer to be stupid enough to throw good money after bad.

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Internet of Things

I'm out.

How the hell did they get any funding.

What a wonderful world we live in. FFS.

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"How the hell did they get any funding"

I imagine it went something ike this.......

"Hic. Hey ths is GREAT!"

"Not bad eh? Fancy another "cartridge"?"

"What, ANOTHER one? Oh go on, why not?"

I thought my personal collection of experiences of encounters with idiots during the dotcom boom and bust was pretty untoppable for many years, but this was just the most entertaining one I've ever read by quite some distance. As a wine lover myself, any really decent bottle should be decanted into a glass jug and left for an hour before enjoying at leisure over the course of an evening.

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"any really decent bottle should be decanted into a glass jug and left for an hour"

Well, that actually depends on the wine - some after an hour left warming could become quite ugly...

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Cartridges

I buy my wine and beer in cartridges. In the layman's vernacular, we call these "bottles"

They even have small scrolls of dead tree stuck to the front with strange hieroglyphs that describe the contents. Best of all, they work in power cuts and need nothing more than an opener and piece of blown glass to allow you to consume them.

Seriously - why add technology to something that doesn't benefit from it in any way. Idiots !

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Cartridges....hmmmm.

Yes. At home blended wine. Like an inkjet printer. Little cartridges of various wines. Some PC software to effectively 3D Print out a glass of custom blended wine, based on your mood. Yes, this could work. We'd sell little $35 cartridges of wine, about 50mL each. The software would be $80 a month, SaaS.

Excuse me. I've got to Indiegogo.

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Best of all, they work in power cuts and need nothing more than an opener and piece of blown glass to allow you to consume them.

I find screw tops far more reliable than crappy old corks that need an opener, and too often spoil the contents. And then, what's wrong with a straw?

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Well corks are a problem (althoutghI have sympathy with an argument about the change in the local ecosystem - and I± have very infrequently had a 'corked' wine - with lots of practice :-)

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Straws are killing the environment.

Just wipe the rim of the bottle, and pass it around, there's a good chap.

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Just wipe the rim of the bottle, and pass it around, there's a good chap.

Or you could, like, have some re-usable glass or ceramic containers to drink the wine from. With the right ones[1], they are even re-usable after washing!

I really ought to research and market this brand-new idea. First I need a good name for the container..

[1] Obviously not the Greek ones. I understand that those are single-use only.. Or is that plates?

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The company however is the epitome of a failed tech startup: its concept and business model only making sense to a buzzed techie with more disposable income than sense

Ah.... the IoT business model then which seems to be pretty common lately.

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19 Crimes wine - Clever AR application

I got to experience this in person. I was impressed from both a technical and a marketing point of view. No need screw up the wine bottle. Just build an app to recognize the label.

Forbes Article link

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"Just build an app to recognize the label."

Or read the barcode.

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"Or read the barcode"

Try it, on a bottle from 1949...

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Some people build a business trying to eliminate the middle man, usually by becoming the middle man.

Other people try to figure out how they can bluntly insert themselves in the money flow between consumer and producer, with only the weakest facade of adding value.

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"Other people try to figure out how they can bluntly insert themselves in the money flow between consumer and producer"

Which is exactly what "entrepreneur" means but we're supposed to think it is good.

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"How the hell did they get any funding"

Because there are always stupid sheep waiting to be fleeced.

PT Barnum made a living off that. He'd have LOVED the internet. Ye gods.

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Re: "How the hell did they get any funding"

"PT Barnum made a living off that. He'd have LOVED the internet. Ye gods."

Too much competition?

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Re: "How the hell did they get any funding"

"PT Barnum made a living off that. He'd have LOVED the internet. Ye gods."

Too much competition?

Nah - that would get outweighed by the increased supply of suckers.

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My solution

As someone who occasionally would like just one or two glasses of wine, I maintain a reasonable stock of half (350ml) and quarter (175ml) bottles of various wines. Purchasing in bulk (I usually order 60 bottles at a time), the discount eliminates the price premium that the smaller bottles would otherwise carry. Also works nicely when making up a packed lunch as a small bottle adds little weight but provides a civilized touch to the meal.

Cheers.

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Re: My solution

I think it would be frowned upon, even in California, to include a bottle of wine in your kid's packed lunch.

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Re: My solution

Maybe Tromos is French,

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Pump It Up

Vacuvin Wine Saver. Less than a tenner at Amazon at the time of writing.

Or why not ask a friend or even a total stranger to help you finish the bottle? It's a great way to meet new people.

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> spend money upfront on a device that can only be used with its cartridges

I hate anything with cartridges - Epson printers, 16+ bladed shavers, guns, those appalling little coffee things, now wine. The list goes on.

As for why Kuvee failed, that's obvious: it didn't have Bluetooth.

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Re: > spend money upfront on a device that can only be used with its cartridges

If they'd called themselves "Kuvee Blockchain" they'd have been onto a winner.

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WTF?

I'm thinking "RFID tag on the bottles of wineries they partner with." Then I'm thinking

WTF am I bothering with it?

There's a reason why wine still comes in glass bottles after more than 2000 years.

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"wine still comes in glass bottles after more than 2000 years."

Just, for a long part of those 2000 years, it came in ceramic amphoras, and then wood barrels. The use of glass bottles is more recent.

Just, metallic cartridges is not exactly the best way to keep wine. I don't even like beer in aluminum cans, only glass bottles.

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