back to article WordPress is now 30 per cent of the web, daylight second

The web-watchers at W3Techs have just noted a milestone: WordPress now accounts for 30 per cent of the world's websites. W3Techs crawls the top 10 million websites as determined by Amazon's Alexa rating service and peers into their innards to figure out what they're running, and sells details reports on its findings. It also …

Anonymous Coward

Vanity of Vanities. All is Vanity.

5
0
Stop

Wordpress is NOT a CMS

Please stop referring to it as a CMS it isn't. It's a blogging tool. Just because all sorts of crazy shit is built on top of it does not make it a CMS, or even a good idea. It's a piss poor insecure mess that I've had to clean up more times than I care to remember.

24
34

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

If it only had posts and media then fine. Please tell me how wordpress is NOT a content management system? 30% of the web uses it to manage their website's content.

Probably like trying to say snapchat is only for sexting. It was originally made for that, but is now used by millions to share content, messages and communicate.

Wordpress was originally made only for blogging, but has since evolved to be a pretty decent CMS.

Also you probably should complain to wiki if you feel that strongly about it: "WordPress is a free and open-source content management system (CMS) based on PHP and MySQL."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPress

17
3
Silver badge

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

Nowadays the security vulnerabilities come from the plugins, not the Wordpress core. Things like plugins writing their cache to a directory served by the webserver and allow an attacker to specify the filename and content for items to be cached ( ie: gimme_shell_access_please.php )

Developing plugins for it is an awful experience however.

11
1

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

It's a system used to manage website content, including - but definitely not limited to - blogs. That makes it a CMS in my book.

8
2

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

"Nowadays the security vulnerabilities come from the plugins, not the Wordpress core. "

Really? I setup a generic Wordpress site in a dusty corner of a sandbox, and it wasn't long before it acquired the knack of displaying unwanted crud.

5
2

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

It looks like a CMS, it act's like a CMS... tell me, how isn't it a CMS?

Running multiple sites here all on Wordpress (zero plugins) without a blog in sight and it fits all ouf our CMS needs just fine.

7
2

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

just because you can use a tool for something other than what it was designed for, doesn't mean becomes a different tool.

You can hammer a screw into a piece of wood, doesn't mean you're hammer is now a screwdriver

4
9

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

If you'd made that assertion many, many years back when I was evaluating WordPress vs Joomla I'd have agreed with you, and it's why I went down the Joomla route. If I had to make the same decision now I'd probably go with WordPress.

9
2
Silver badge

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

Not enough upvotes, Pomgolian.

Wordpress is biggest piece of shit I ever seen. How people became convinced it was easier to use than HTML is one of the most stunning con jobs I've ever seen.

6
4
Silver badge

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

@nevstah

just because you can use a tool for something other than what it was designed for, doesn't mean becomes a different tool.

You missed out a word which invalidates your conclusion. Wordpress was originally designed for blogs. Drupal was originally designed as a CMS. Wordpress evolved into a multi-purpose tool (by adding CMS), as did Drupal (by adding blogs).

One can argue over how well either of those two (and others, such as Joomla) have evolved into multi-purpose tools. One can argue over whether Wordpress's CMS is better or worse than Drupal's CMS or whether Wordpress's blog is better or worse than Drupal's blog. One can argue which of them is a better multi-purpose tool, although that is heavily influenced by what one uses the tool for.

What you can't legitimately argue is that any of them are no good at what they now do based upon what they originally did. You would take exception to me claiming that you are hopeless at coding software because originally all you could do was eat, sleep, cry and shit yourself. Things change.

13
2
Anonymous Coward

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

A CMS has a framework to extend it with arbitrary types of *content* backed by SQL tables through an ORM layer. Wordpress has only blog posts, tags, comments, users, a few key-value attribute tables which allow a crude form of extension. It lacks basic features like internationalization, and always will because Automattic wouldn't dare to undermine major commercial plugin developers who provide that functionality via horrid kludges. The further you extend it from a basic blog, the more fragile and expensive it gets.

That said, while Wordpress is utter shit, real CMSes are pretty crappy too, and there's little money to be made working with them.

4
4

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

It's easier for non-techies to publish content via a CMS. Which is precisely why I went from a website with flat HTML pages to a CMS. Whilst I'm happy to code HTML with notepad and upload with command line ftp, having a CMS means non-techies can publish content without bugging me to do it for them.

8
1
Anonymous Coward

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

So optimistic. Non-techies can't use a CMS. They're afraid of breaking the site. That goes for Wordpress as well.

3
4
Anonymous Coward

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

> Not enough upvotes, Pomgolian.

And so many downvotes. Methinks the WP shill brigade has arrived.

3
8
Silver badge

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

It's obvious innit?

2
1

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

Come up with something people like to use then.

0
0

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

Nah, it's the russian hackers!

0
0

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

Ok, so what does CMS stand for? Is it 'Content Management System' by any chance? Oh, right. So can you 'manage' content with the WordPress system? Oh, yes. So it's a CMS... Full stop... Why is the world full of idiots like you?

0
1

Re: Wordpress is NOT a CMS

"Wordpress is biggest piece of shit I ever seen. How people became convinced it was easier to use than HTML is one of the most stunning con jobs I've ever seen."

Wow. That's a very brave statement. Bravo!

As a career Communication Designer, I do agree though, that it is a con job, as it creates a false illusion that 'anyone' can create an effective web presence. True, any monkey can slap in poorly crafted text, a litany of square-cut photos into a common template, but that doesn't make for a well-crafted piece of communication that stands out in a noisy marketplace. Yes . . . WP is a stunning con job indeed.

1
0

How do they know...

...whether sites run a CMS or not? Many of my sites do but you would never know looking at the source code.

8
0

Re: How do they know...

It's pretty easy to tell. If the source code to the main home page is a tangled mush of indecipherable nested code then it's using a CMS. If the mush has at least a tiny bit of structure then it's just using a framework. If you can read and vaguely understand it, it's been hand-coded.

:-)

48
0

Re: How do they know...

...whether sites run a CMS or not? Many of my sites do but you would never know looking at the source code.

Really?

It's right there in the header:

<meta name="generator" content="WordPress 4.9.1" />

And there's usually a "Powered by Wordpress" down in the footer somewhere.

Even if you stripped those out, the entire structure of Wordpress belies it's core. It's not hard to look for URLs in the source pointing at directories with names like "/wp-includes/" or "/wp-content/" unless you've literally gone through the entirety of WP with a find-and-replace to strip out any "wp-" references (which will probably break updates and installed plugins).

Other CMSs will have their own directory structures and distinctive headers which will give away their core, unless they've undergone a ground-up refactoring - which 99.9% of installations won't.

12
2
Anonymous Coward

Re: How do they know...

> ...whether sites run a CMS or not?

For a standard-installation dynamic CMS it is not difficult to find tell-tales. I would be more interested in how could they identify (and discriminate between) static site generators; even if you look for tell-tales of predefined "themes", there are literally thousands of them.

Either way, a useful statistic for plugin vendors perhaps. For users, quantity does not equal quality and quality¹ is a relative measure anyway.

¹ Conformance to one's requirements.

1
0

Re: How do they know...

https://builtwith.com/

This is just one of a myriad of tools that will tell you what a site is run on via some http requests etc

To be honest I hate wordpress for the reason that anyone can make a dynamic content based website that will let the world + dog do things that professional developers have spent years learning to do properly (mostly)

There is at least 1 major Wordpress outbreak each year because of badly coded extensions or the install not being setup properly etc

4
0
FAIL

Re: How do they know...

I tried several of my own and clients' sites on built with and it failed to identity the framework behind any of them.

Assuming this survey used I am pretty sure most of the sites that were "no CMS" were built on a framework of CMS that is sufficiently customisable to make it difficult to detect the CMS.

1
0

Re: How do they know...

I like the "whatruns" extension personally.

0
0

Re: How do they know...

I can tell a Wordpress site as easily as anybody. I was talking about the bespoke CMS that I use on many of my sites.

0
0
Silver badge

Why does the bottom half of the article read like an advertisement?

1
0
Anonymous Coward

The Reg has long dropped biting for loving nibbles at the hand that feeds IT.

1
1
Anonymous Coward

Big user base

Big target

3
0

Re: Big user base

Yep, but also best support (in the open source sense of easiest to google an answer). That's the deal you make.

7
0
Anonymous Coward

Well that's depressing

WordPress is a steaming pile of shit.

27
4
Anonymous Coward

Re: Well that's depressing

While not the most intelligent comment I've read, it's 100% accurate.

22
0

Re: Well that's depressing

As a WP user, I can agree with that. But it is getting better.

And let's face it, there are worse commercial offerings that will cost you an arm and a leg and won't deliver the same functionality as WordPress will.

7
0
Bronze badge

Re: Well that's depressing

I tried to make our website in Wordpress but gave up in frustration as organising image files did not seem to be supported - I was driving mad. It seemed that you just chucked the into a big pile and if you needed to use the same image again, you uploaded again. I am too old for that.

There were more, but I decided to go with Joomla as that was closer to my way of working. Not perfect, but possible to work with.

2
2
Anonymous Coward

Re: Well that's depressing

And let's face it, there are worse commercial offerings that will cost you an arm and a leg and won't deliver the same functionality as WordPress will.

And there, in a nutshell, is the modern world summarised. These days we've become so accustomed to living with shitty solutions because the bar for superiority is set just so fucking low. I've even had it with trades people whereby the job really isn't crash hot but they were the best that you could find. It really is depressing.

2
0
Anonymous Coward

Another poor article

> The web-watchers at W3Techs have just noted a milestone: WordPress now accounts for 30 per cent of the world's web sites.

That claim cannot be substantiated. It accounts for 30% of the sites that those chaps monitor amongst the CMS known to them, as their page clearly says.

https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/content_management/all

But first and foremost, no mention at all of the main finding in those guys' survey? The statistic that 50.2% of the websites monitored do not run a CMS¹ at all?

¹ Known to W³Techs

2
0

"Another oddity: Squarespace and Wix, both of which advertise heavily to small business, have 0.9 and 0.5 per cent share among CMS-users respectively."

Not that odd. If you're a non-techie plumber looking to set up a simple website for your business, Wix is probably a reasonable solution (never used it myself, so can't say). But that website is unlikely to make the top 10 million sites on the web, so won't be counted in the survey.

6
0

You will say one day!

Wordpress is the future of websites. I don't think Google is directly targeting sites just because the CEOs woke up one morning with steam coming out of his ears and decided on a whim to destroy every small business on the planet. Google is targeting all low-grade sites. And the fact is that most affiliate sites add zero value to the internet as a resource. So when you say wordpress is nothing, you know nothing. Google likes WordPress :). I know some other CMS that I love, Joomla, RevGlue.com etc. If you hire a developer, So many bucks will gone.

0
9
Anonymous Coward

Re: You will say one day!

Yes, it's the "Windows" of the web.

An insecure bloated mess, where every fucker uses it, nobody likes it, and "developers" are ten-a-penny.

12
2
Anonymous Coward

Re: You will say one day!

Some many elitist jackasses here. It’s accessible and extensible, therefore easier for people to mess up. This has always been true in tech. Haters are probably the same bunch who feel Javascript is the worst language ever. Well, the loser is you because the striving pragmatic industry doesn’t care what you think and will just leave you behind. Yeah PHP sucks too, except some programmers became billionnaires using PHP to actually ACCOMPLISH things, instead of complaining why tools aren’t perfect.

1
0
Anonymous Coward

Wordpress could be far better, I look forward to the day the next big thing comes along to replace it.

2
0
Anonymous Coward

WordPress 5.0?

2
0
Anonymous Coward

>WordPress 5.0?

LMFTFY

Dogshit V5.0

6
3
Silver badge

Worpdress is shit

WORDPRESS IS SHIT.

I can't believe the Internet devolved this fast. Wordpress is absolute shit. People will spend more time learning Wordpress's utter garbage interface and code instead of simple HTML.

People really are fucking morons.

10
4
Anonymous Coward

Any system, not just IT, that approaches being a mono-culture - is prone to extinction disasters.

1
0
Silver badge

It could be worse...

30% of the web could be sites built using Dreamweaver or Frontpage...

14
2
Silver badge

Re: It could be worse...

Frontpage sucked. Dreamweaver was fine in the hands of a pro.

1
1
Silver badge

Re: It could be worse...

Except most often it isn't. I known several graphics designer types (who aren't really even proper graphic designers but just did a course) who specialise in charging high fees to create custom websites for idiots with more money than sense that use Dreamweaver to pop out little WWW turds on a regular basis. They got into it because they had time on their hands after the kids went to school full time and it was a nice little earner. They cannot code for shit and have zero concept of the way anything should be setup but can drag, drop, and publish. Job done.

0
0

Page:

POST COMMENT House rules

Not a member of The Register? Create a new account here.

  • Enter your comment

  • Add an icon

Anonymous cowards cannot choose their icon

Forums

Biting the hand that feeds IT © 1998–2018