back to article Sky customer dinged for livestreaming pay-per-view boxing to Facebook

A Sky subscriber who illegally streamed a pay-per-view boxing match to Facebook has copped a plea with the broadcaster. Craig Foster, of Scarborough, England, had paid the £19.95 fee to watch the fight live last April, and invited friends round to watch. One pointed his iPad at the TV and in the spirit of information wants to …

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Reg says over 4,000 viewers but one of the linked sources says over 400,000. That's a big difference for Sky.

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Paris Hilton

Try to read more carefully. "Facebook faced a wave of criticism over the fight after more than 400,000 people used the site to watch illegal live streams." Not all of those people were watching this bloke's 'live stream', whatever that is. Turns out that 4250 were watching his stream. I hope this helps.

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Fair point.

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Go on on Periscope during any big gig on at the Arenas / stadiums.

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THAT Price for one View?

Seriously, 20 quid for a single view of a single boxing match? In quid-per-hour, that's damn expensive digital entertainment.

"Pay for what you watch," is a great concept but surely it can't draw that sort of price.

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It's like a punch in the face...

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It's not a single boxing match - it's a night of boxing.

There are usually a good few fights on the undercard ( fought before the main fight ). Sometimes these end up being more enjoyable than the main fight itself.

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then don't pay.

Just like all the whining football fans.

If no one payed the high charges, then the prices wouldn't be so high.

You could also flip this.

£20, if he had say 4 friends around, £4 a head isn't so bad.

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Well clearly it does because people pay it. If boxing is your thing then it might well be a bargain. Obviously it's not to you and nor me, but I wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement on someone that thinks that £20 to watch two (not one, or it might just be a tenner) half-naked swetty blokes beat ten bales out of each other .... or maybe I would .... so confused.

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But compared to other entertainment (not just digital), it's perfectly reasonable. The following are all around £20:

* him and his mates watching the boxing match pay-per-view

* 2 people going to watch a movie at the cinema

* 1 person going to watch a movie at the cinema and buying popcorn

* 1 or 2 people going to the pub for an evening and having a few drinks

* 1 person having a meal out

and all those are much cheaper than a ticket to watch the boxing (or another event) live.

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>It's not a single boxing match - it's a night of boxing.

Why pay sky for that ?

Just go into your average British city/town on a Friday/Saturday night and you'll be treated to punch ups galore complete with real blood and ambulances if watching people knock seven bells of shit out of each other is your thing.

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Compared to the price/pain of getting a ticket to the bigger fights, it's an absolute bargain.

Hence - It sells.

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Sorry, but PPV has exactly the same problems as microtransactions: ppl who are happy charging 0.10 to 0.50 per viewer then somehow want 10£ or more...

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It commands that price because idiots will pay it. Expect it to increase in the future. If people grew a brain and boycotted being ripped off, prices would fall over night.

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Of course as German's won't pay you could just point your dish and get it FTA.

That's what I do

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"There are usually a good few fights on the undercard ( fought before the main fight ). Sometimes Usually these end up being more enjoyable than the main fight itself."

FTFY

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Interesting!! Do tell more! What exactly do you do?

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Well believe me, our stations also pay insane amounts of money. It's just that the valuable games varry from region to region.

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I'm floored.

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@Alistair

You're probably right. I do remember one of the best fights I ever saw was two women on a PPV undercard (they were batshit mental).

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If no one payed

The word you are looking for is "paid"..

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I do that for Formula one races that aren't being shown on Channel 4. It's not HD but I do get to watch the race. Commentary from 5live allows me to have the TV sound off. I'm not into boxing but in the states in the analogue days of cable I ended up with free PPV events on a few occasions. As there was no talk back facility on the box if the authorisation signal was sent erroneously they couldn't tell if I was watching it or not. I saw some boxing despite not being a fan just because I was able to get it for nothing.

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"paid"..

The punctuation you are looking for is '.' or '...'

:-)

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"Payed" seems to be an american thing.

There are some 'americanisms' that seem to be creeping into general use that really irk me.

'train station' is one of them. It is a 'Railway Station' for heavens sake.

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Last mayweather fight went for $89 and $99 if you want HD. $19.99 is cheap for a boxing fight .

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Payed is not an American thing. it's like confusing to and too.

To pay out a rope or cable is to let out by slacking.

The captain payed out additional rope for the sails.

The construction works payed out the cable as he strung the line.

Laying down telephone lines, he payed out the cable as he went.

Payed can also refer to the sealing of a deck or hull of a wooden ship with pitch or tar to prevent leakage.

Have you payed the deck?

This ship looks fine but has yet to be payed.

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> It's not a single boxing match - it's a night of boxing.

The rest of which almost nobody wants to see.

This is the same argument used to sell packages of cable TV channels, almost all of which are complete garbage, which is why I no longer have any cable, or satellite, TV. If it was available in the US I'd just pay the BBC license fee and watch Aunty Beeb.

Watching people brain damage each other as a sport? Not paying a penny to encourage that anyway.

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I agree that train station jars but we use bus station and underground/metro/subway station, so why not be consistent?

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These things used to be available as part of the Licence fee. You're right to watch stuff for a reasonable cost has been slowly eroded and the majority of sheople subscribed to Sky - have forgotten that. If you're a sports fan (specifically thinking whingeing footballists) and think that money has spoilt the game - then quit moaning and do something about it and cancel your subscription for a year. If the majority followed suit, then the value of the TV rights would tumble. During your TV-football-free year, you might even find something more interesting to do than sitting infront of the TV playing dress up in your favourite teams costume.

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Similarly, the expression "The Devil to pay and only half a bucket of tar" refers to not having enough resources to finish the job in hand. A mixture of hemp and tar was used to seal (pay) the joints between the timbers, and the longest joint on the deck was called the Devil.

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Surely it can as thats the price they have decided to charge presumably for comercial reasons.

sadly they then spend a large protion of that money scaring muppets like this and pub landlords who dont want to pay full wack for sports "rights".

If you think £20 is expensive, have you been to the football or even out recently?

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Card Number?

I know when watching Premier League games your viewing card number is shown in the top right of the screen intermittently and occasionally in the middle of the screen during transitions.

There must be some software in the Sky box doing it, so if you wanted to avoid that you'd need to use a third party sky decoder with a real card in it I guess.

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He will have to remember to use live pause next time, that suppresses your ID number showing in the top right

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You're right, but you can't.

NDS decryption is only available on Sky hardware and some professional IRD's.

Even Virgin Media customers have a UUID displayed on the screen in-vision during the viewing of sports content from Sky. I'm sure BT Vision will have similar piracy prevention too.

Coming soon; digital watermarking, which can't be obfuscated by simply covering the numbers and is easily detected by automated harvesting.

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I thought it may have been more likely he had his broadband with Sky and they could tell he was streaming live to Facebook through that maybe?

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[quote]Coming soon; digital watermarking, which can't be obfuscated by simply covering the numbers and is easily detected by automated harvesting.[/quote]

You mean a strip of cardboard and some selotape won't work anymore??

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third party sky decoder with a real card

Are there any available now? I remember haunting the various forums about 5 years ago where a lot of people were bemoaning the lack of *legal* 3rd-party boxes that can get Sky

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There are loads of decent DSTV boxes out there with CAM slots.

Both open and Freesat.

I also expect that their encryption is broken but not leaked. Some very clever techies in Cheltenham.

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You're right, but you can't.

NDS decryption is only available on Sky hardware and some professional IRD's.

Not sure if it still works but....... If you had particular CAMs (I think one was the Dragon) you could use your sky card in that and the receiver of your choice. The only thing you had to do from memory was put it in a genuine and sky box every so often so that it received the keep alive signal. NDS were not pleased about this I believe and new cards were issued at some point to counter it.

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Sky's thought of that, ever wondered why the device requires connection to either a phone line or broadband for "premium content"?

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The Sly satellite broadcast can no longer be decrypted in anything other than Sly hardware, that little loophole changed recently (about a week or two before this fight). Therefore there is a fingerprint code which is added by the Sly box, that is how Sly traced this chap. Most illegal streams usually use Virgin feed which can still be decrypted via card sharing, so no fingerprint code (a loophole which is due to be closed soon), or have software to obscure the fingerprint code.

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The real crime here was.......

paying for Sky in the first place.

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No the real crime here was Sky lawyer charging 5000 quid just to send nastygram to the bloke.

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£5k was a bargain.

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paying for Sky in the first place

Some people don't have much of a choice.. (especially if, like me, you live in an area where the FTA transmitters are all shadowed by tall buildings/hills.

Sure, there is Freesat - but you can't get the NFL on Freesat..

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I watch that on German TV via satellite no need for sky although you do have to put up with a German commentary.

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Doesn't Now TV have all of their sports channels on it?

You'd only need to pay for the day that you'd wish to watch it too.

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I'm Guessing Russian Hackers

As usual Reg comments miss the whole point and the key question - HOW WAS HE CAUGHT?

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SKY were one of the 4000 viewers on his stream.

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Sky were 3,999 of the viewers...

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