back to article Nokia 8: As pure as the driven Android - it's a classy return

HMD's efforts to put the Nokia brand over what we call the "Shenzhen generics" formula haven't exactly set the world on fire yet. But in all honesty, you'll struggle to find anything better for £399, the revised price of the Nokia 8. China's supply chains and market maturation have caused a great levelling in the phone …

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I do like my Nokia 6. I can't justify spending £400 for an 8, but £200 for a 6 is great value.

I am curious what the next versions are going to be called - the 4B / 8B? 16 / 18?

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Somehow I missed the release of the Nokia 6. If you can get it from someone other than Carphone Warehouse, it might be the successor to my much loved WileyFox.

(How anacronistic does Carphone Warehouse sound? Most of their customers probably have no idea what a carphone even is...)

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You can buy it from various places, but when I bought mine ( sim free ), Carphone Warehouse had the best price / delivery terms / whatever it was.

( My current car, built in 1998, had an option for a carphone - the storage compartment under the armrest optionally housed one apparently ).

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So much like the Windows Mobile version except with 100 times the security vulnerabilities and 100 times the apps...

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Are you suggesting they should change their name to say, "Phone Shop"?

After all, they've not warehouses either.

Or maybe they're actually ahead of the game. Now that many cars come with slots for your SIM card, they could be the warehouse that sells you cars, which also happen to be phones.

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It's called The Phone House on the continent.

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S80?

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Nokia doesn't exist. They're the Sevco of the telecommunications world.

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Windows mobile has plenty of security vulrabilities, way more than android, but being closed source and zero users, Microsoft never disclosed and hackers didn't look...

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Nokia doesn't exist.

That's rubbish. Nokia exist and are doing very well in the high margin network infrastructure market having abandoned the low margin (but high profile) handset market.

https://networks.nokia.com/

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Claiming that there are plenty of security vunerabilities seems to be a contention without evidence.

Windows 10 Mobile is updated frequently (at least monthly).

Having a device that hackers are not interested in sounds good to me.

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Nokia 6 - does it work ok?

I have a Nokia 6 too, but sometimes the screen and fingerprint sensor just don't respond properly. It's driving me crazy.

I've been through Nokia support who didn't really help very much, and I went back to Carphone Warehouse who were frankly no help at all.

I'm thinking of getting a new digitiser and trying to fix it myself, but my question is whether - as a Nokia 6 user - this affects you too or whether I just have a defective model..

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Re: Nokia 6 - does it work ok?

"I have a Nokia 6 too, but sometimes the screen and fingerprint sensor just don't respond properly. It's driving me crazy."

A couple of times I've noticed a lack of response at the top of the screen, but it has worked perfectly after a reboot, so I assumed a transient software issue rather than a hardware problem.

I find the fingerprint sensor works best if (a) I make sure the narrow sensor learns a broad area of my fingerprint when calibrating by pressing different parts of my finger to it, and (b) I press it firmly and keep pressing until the screen visibly unlocks (which is just after the haptic vibration) - it needs a firmer and longer touch than the main screen.

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Re: Nokia 6 - does it work ok?

I've never had a problem with either the screen or the fingerprint sensor.

It had a bit of trouble going slow requiring reboots for a while, but I fixed that by reducing the unnecessary animations.

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"Windows mobile has plenty of security vulrabilities"

That's not what the expert hackers that have tried have said. There are numerous articles by companies like Kaspersky that say that Windows Mobile has far better security than android and IOS.

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It's fantastic to see such a great start

Well done clawing back from the dead, Nokia. Keep up this momentum and don't just throw it away for no reason. I mean - what kind of idiots would do that?

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Re: It's fantastic to see such a great start

It's not Nokia. Even says so in the article.

Nokia are just leasing them the brand name for a bit.

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Re: It's fantastic to see such a great start

And it doesn't matter how nice the phone hardware is, it's still Android.

Deal breaker.

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Re: It's fantastic to see such a great start

Because of what apple told you? Because of what the internet told you?

Do you want to buy some magic beans?????

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Re: It's fantastic to see such a great start

>Because of what apple told you? Because of what the internet told you?

nah. I've had both iphones and BB10s and (one) Android myself.

don't like Androids much - 18 months of Nexus 5 means I went the distance. Not only did I never like the OS (the hardware's quite nice except for battery life) the phone went off even security patches after only 2 yrs of ownership. I was happy when its headphone jack died, to be honest.

At one point, when I had to replace a Z10 which I dropped in a pool (it almost worked afterwards - only the wifi died) I almost considered getting MS Lumias, though I generally dislike MS, rather than going back to $$$ iphones. But I did not reconsider Android. I bought my son a 640 Lumia, Win8, then 10.

Currently an iPhone SE (6) from Craigslist. $300 Cad, and I figure Apple will keep it patched for a while, unlike Google's Nexus/Pixel line up, which isn't that cheap anymore in any case. Keeping it on iOS 10 and off iOS 11.x until Apple gets their digits out of their rectums on 11. How well an SE 6 would run on 11 is also an open question - I expect slow-ish, but doable with most background stuff turned off.

if you want to call my dislike of Androids as straight-out Apple a**-kissing , go right ahead ;-)

Reading this review, I wish I had a better feel for Android, because it looks like a decent phone. And not $1500 CAD, like a loaded iPhone X. which is ... stupid, IMHO.

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Sounds nice

Does what it needs to do. The days of the sub-£300 generic (like the 1+One) have gone down the plug'ole along with the value of the pound, so £399 for a serious bit ol kit is just about bearable. I shall watch with interest.

But WTF is a live bokeh?

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Live Bokeh

Bokeh is the effect seen on very out of focus items, particularly light sources. For cameras with mechanical shutters, the shape of this reflects the symmetry of the shutter - often hexagonal.

With software, you can change the shape of this in real time. From Android N you can use a pre-loaded range of animal silhouettes, including a gecko and a grasshopper. Hence, Live Bokeh.

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Re: Live Bokeh

Live and learn (although I did go and look it up just before replying (pays to check occasionally)

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Re: Sounds nice

You can get an Huawei Honor 9 for 299. Gets pretty fantastic reviews from what I've seen. Very tempted by one myself.

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The days of the sub-£300 generic (like the 1+One) have gone down the plug'ole along with the value of the pound

Not for grey imports. Buy from a UK importer via Ebay, pay by Paypal using a credit card, and if it goes wrong you've got first recourse against the vendor; If they aren't around or won't help, you've got the Ebay and Paypal guarantees, if they won't cough up you can go to the credit card provider under Section 75. Buying from a UK vendor, you've got no import duty liability, and no long wait for delivery. The importer I bought from has been around for a while and promises they'll honour a one-year warranty, but you never know.

But, if despite all that it all goes shit shaped for me, and my lovely Xiaomi Redmi Note 4X goes titsup, and I can't get it resolved, or a refund, I've only ponied up less than £160.

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Re: Sounds nice

Just done exactly the same weighing up between this and the Honor 9 - plumped for the Honor in the end and been very pleased with it so far.

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>the days of the sub-£300 generic (like the 1+One)

geekbuying.com (other sites are available) is full of them.

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I think they call "Bokeh effect" depth of field on proper cameras.

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PayPal vs. Credit card

you've got the Ebay and Paypal guarantees, if they won't cough up you can go to the credit card provider under Section 75.

Section 75 doesn't apply if you pay via PayPal, only if you use the credit card directly with the supplier. PayPal is an intermediary, so the usual credit card protection doesn't apply.

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"I think they call "Bokeh effect" depth of field on proper cameras."

No bokeh is the quality of the out of focus areas. Some lenses have a pleasing bokeh and are therefore suited for shallow depth of field shots where you want an attractive but non-distracting background. Others, not so much. Calling a fake depth of field effect, 'bokeh' is hopelessly confused.

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" For cameras with mechanical shutters, the shape of this reflects the symmetry of the shutter - often hexagonal."

No, you're thinking of the flare from bright lights, which is usually polygonal due to the shape of the mutlibladed iris. The shutter doesn't come into it.

Bokeh is the 'pleasingness' of the out-of-focus parts of the image. The shape of the iris can affect this, as can the type of optical arrangement.

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Screen resolution

The number of pixels on that display is very impressive, but I wonder what the increase is in battery usage to manage all of those pixels versus a lesser resolution.

I know that more pixels equals better image quality, but given that the phone has a better resolution than my 32" HD telly, I can't help but wonder how noticeable that benefit is on something with a screen a fraction of the size of a domestic TV.

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" but given that the phone has a better resolution than my 32" HD telly, "

Chances are a £100 phone has a better resolution than your telly and some people do occasionally, look at photos on other medium than the phone screen.

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people do occasionally, look at photos on other medium than the phone screen.

Fair comment, but what does that have to do with the resolution of the screen of the phone?

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I know that more pixels equals better image quality, but given that the phone has a better resolution than my 32" HD telly, I can't help but wonder how noticeable that benefit is on something with a screen a fraction of the size of a domestic TV.

But I bet you don't tend to watch your 32" telly from 12" away.

The benefits (or drawbacks) of resolution depend on 3 things,

1) the resolution;

2) the size of the surface over which that resolution is displayed on (the diagonal screen size);

3) the distance from that surface it is being viewed from.

(of course, the quality of the manufacturing, backlight and so on also do matter, but let's assume we are talking screens of equivalent display quality)

For example, using this TV viewing distance calculator, for a 5.3" display:

1.8 Feet Maximum Viewing Distance for NTSC/PAL(720x480/720x576)

0.7 Feet Maximum Viewing Distance for HDTV(Fully resolved 1080i; 1920 x 1080)

For a 32" display:

11.2 Feet Maximum Viewing Distance for NTSC/PAL(720x480/720x576)

4.2 Feet Maximum Viewing Distance for HDTV(Fully resolved 1080i; 1920 x 1080)

So to get the full effect of 1080 resolution, you cannot view from more than 4.2 feet away a 32" screen or, if you shrink that down to a phones 5.3" screen, you can't view it from more than 0.7 feet away to get the same apparent visual clarity.

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Just a minor correction - you can in fact change the bokeh on photos after the fact. It did take me a while to figure out how though...

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Pretty good actually

I have been after a new device for a good while, as my ageing Note 4 is now chomping through batteries at a frightening rate (new battery, phone turns off after nine hours, from a full charge, even if left mostly idle), destroying microSD cards, and still running Android 6. No device exists that ticks all my boxes (regardless of price), but this is the closest I've found. I've had it for a couple of weeks now, and the antenna placement (on the top and bottom, as opposed to the sides) makes a noticeable difference for me - in places where the voice signal would drop out, it now functions adequately (no longer lose the call), if not perfectly. There are some minor annoyances though, such as no notification LED, and no removable battery - though teardowns of the device show that it's not completely terrible to take apart, it's not something I need to worry about for a while as I had 40% battery left at the end of a day with medium to high usage.

Infuriatingly, my biggest problem with it is I can't get an answer to "what LTE bands does it support" - the Nokia "full specs" don't mention it, Nokia on Twitter are ignoring the question, as is the author of an Arstechnica article that lists the bands (I asked for a source for that information, none was forthcoming). Are the bands region limited depending where you buy it? Who knows! This is mostly of interest for when I'm in the US - I'm trying to determine if I'm better off buying a portable hotspot, or if the phone will natively work on the carriers I can roam with.

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Re: Pretty good actually

I was also looking for the supported LTE Bands as I wanted to know the difference between the two Dual SIM models they offer, I requested through Nokia Support and got this answer;

In regards to your questions about LTE band in Nokia 8, it is good to know that both phones support the same LTE Bands. Those bands are: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 20, 28, 38, 40, 41.

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They didn't get the CE marking right, did they?

From the picture, the C seems really too close to the E.

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/ce-marking_en

Why does it matter? ElReg explained it previously:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/13/ee_power_bar_wrong_ce_marking/

Okay, I'll get my coat and go nitpick somewhere else :)

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Quite like the look of these, I'm hoping the 7 will come to the UK before too long (China only at present) seeing as it's in the midrange but still has USB type-c, virtually stock Android and one of them new fangled 3.5mm jacks.

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What a stupid name

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"What a stupid name"

Presumably why you posted as anonymous...

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Fallls into the pot of Good Android devices. Google Pixel, LG, Sony and now Nokia.

Sadly, iPhone owners will be to the shite Android phones to solidify their Apple purchase.

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Nokia 925 is still my favourite phone

... yes, it's a WinPhone and stuck on V8, but there's damn little I care about that won't run on it and it still stuffs everything else on battery life and signal strength. The rest of the time I use a WileyFox. North of £500 for a phone isn't happening - period.

Well, not quite. I do have an iPhone, because sometimes I need to check software on the thing, but that's a business expense. It lives in a drawer, gathering dust along with the Blackberry Curves and assorted other junk (which reminds me - it hasn't been powered on since August - it probably needs an OS update or seven).

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Re: Nokia 925 is still my favourite phone

I miss my Windows Nokia (Lumia 950XL). It died, now I wish I'd just picked up one secondhand. Android is nowhere near as good. Only bonus is the native SIP client (not sure if that's just BB).

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Re: Nokia 925 is still my favourite phone

925 remains my favourite.The 950 sat next to me now, however - I would tell it to go die in a hole somewhere, but it's already done that. Hardware is fine, the software is broken now;

*Currently restarting randomly and repeatedly

*turns off for no reason at all

*sometimes requires restart for Bluetooth to work

*camera will not autofocus under any circumstances

*APIs no longer working for Facebook or LinkedIn, meaning the people hub is now just a phone book

*Groove music switched off at the end of this month

Four months left on the payment plan, and I can't get rid of it soon enough. 20 months ago it was a great device, now I regard it with the same disdain as my works iPhone.

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Re: Nokia 925 is still my favourite phone

Funnily enough I've been thinking about the 7, as I mentioned above, to replace my 925 which is starting to show it's age.

Had a 950 which I won from Windows Central but sold it as it was a bit too big for me. The 925 is getting a bit stroppy and looks pretty bad around the edges which are scratch magnets no matter how careful you are. Mine is also running W10M rather than 8 and I've modded it to put the wireless charging coil inside as the charge cover broke and I wasn't buying another. Still a great phone, even after 4.5 years, but the battery is getting worse and I'm running in to more and more websites that won't play nicely with Edge.

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Re: Nokia 925 is still my favourite phone

The 950 sat next to me now, however - I would tell it to go die in a hole somewhere, but it's already done that. Hardware is fine, the software is broken now;

*Currently restarting randomly and repeatedly

*turns off for no reason at all

*sometimes requires restart for Bluetooth to work

Actually, all those points suggest there's probably something wrong with the hardware. My 950 does none of those things.

You might want to check the Sim holder though, which is something Lumia phones unfortunately inherited from Nokia. I have never had a Nokia or Lumia phone that didn't work a whole lot better with a piece of folded up paper shoved into the Sim socket with the Sim card to push it harder onto the contacts in the phone.

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Well, I'll try the SIM thing - that might explain why after some restarts it demands the A1B2C3 thing because I've entered my password too often, even though I've not touched the phone except to yank the battery.

The main problem seems to be the screen crashing - the Bluetooth remains connected, even though the phone is totally unresponsive and requires off and on-ing again

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Re: Nokia 925 is still my favourite phone

Much of that sounds like hardware issues, possibly just one, since mine (and my better half's) 950s do not suffer these issues.

Obviously, Groove switching off is a service issue.

By FB and Li APIs, I assume you mean the clever people stuff they had with WP7/8. That was removed ages ago I thought.

The people 'hub' stills collates Phone, SMS, Skype and email communications and is streets ahead of anything else - because they are just phone books.

And Skype looking after SMSs as well keeps the messaging stuff (that I use at least) together. It would have been great if they all could have been collated, FB, Skype, WhatsApp etc.

But they weren't so I dropped FB and almost never use WhatsApp.

One pointer though, if you are bothered:

When I first got my 950, 3 years ago, I noticed it restarted if I put it down too hard or knocked it.

I discovered that slightly tensioning the contact springs on the battery fixed it.

I recalled the memory because I just put a brand new Original replacement battery in it last week and the same issue happened.

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