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Google is trying to stop Amazon Echo Show devices from streaming YouTube videos – and from January, it will block Amazon’s Fire TVs from accessing the vid service, too. It appears the ad giant is killing off access to the YouTube app on Amazon's gadgets. From today, opening the YouTube application on an Echo Show or Fire TV …

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Don't get worked up over each other

Ajit Pai is going to let AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast block all of your traffic in the name of opening up competition, or whatever nonsense he gets bribed to say.

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i'm actually surprised to find this kind of drivel here...

we have to keep the recent changes (a power grab to legitimize an illegitimate decree) to make sure the web is as open as it ever was... how do more people not see this as complete bullshit? that all traffic should be treated equal? are you serious?!?!

i paid for network priority for over a decade before anyone cared or saw it as a threat.

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Pay it no mind, that's just spill-over from the latest El Reg hit piece on Pai (a very long series that seems to have gone bi-weekly, lately).

I believe from the article quantity and the relentlessly negative tone, that the author really, really wants NN to be the law. It's not really right and wrong but almost Good vs Evil.

But that tone pales in comparison to the posters' attitudes on those articles, oh my. FCC Chairman Ajit Pai is commonly described as a "corporate whore" and that's just for warmups.

So basically those posters are about 98% NN fanatics. I guess global warming just isn't sexy any more.

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Re: Don't get worked up over each other

Flawed argument is seriously flawed... Or I must not live in the same dimension as the Op, where both Google, and Amazon. Live on the same plain as an AT&T, or Comcast. Which unlike them (Google, and Amazon), actually ARE ISPs.

Sorry if I fail to equate AWS with an ISP. As far as Google Fiber goes... Call me back whenever the manage to gain any real traction with that. A few Poduck Towns exclusive to the USA does not an ISP on the level of the BIG BOYs make.

But, hay don't let me disrupt your wonderful narrative....

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Re: Don't get worked up over each other

It's kinda hard to whinge on about how warm it is when your freezing your nuts off waiting to catch the Bus into Work, in the Morning. And not look like a complete douche while attempting to do so.

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Re: Don't get worked up over each other

It's not really right and wrong but almost Good vs Evil.

Ridiculous, isn't it? As if American party political discourse would ever degenerate into such a ludicrous dichotomy. They're only a few steps away from accusing Mr Pai of being "Crooked" or cheerleading mindless slogans like "Lock him up!". Obviously, this is absurdly antithetical to the reasoned and fair-minded debate that American politicians and their appointees universally and rigorously adhere to.

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-- "Ajit Pai is commonly described as a corporate whore"

What do you expect, he sucky sucky, 5mbps.. cable-brother too big!

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Re: Don't get worked up over each other

Presumably it's not exactly hard for Amazon to have their devices pretend to be say Android phones when accessing You Tube and side step this....

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"Presumably it's not exactly hard for Amazon to have their devices pretend to be say Android phones when accessing You Tube and side step this...."

Presumably Google isn't relying on the device's reporting capabilities to implement its block.

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@AC

"Ajit Pai is commonly described as a corporate whore"

corporate whores may find that statement offensive

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Re: Don't get worked up over each other

You missed the point.

Google wants neutrality for everyone but itself. You've been played.

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How does it know?

That was the same thinking I had. But poking about to surreptitiously ID a device type and discriminate against it? Sounds like a GDPR case in waiting.

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Re: How does it know?

It's a Google app, right? So the API must tell it what kind of device it's on, no?

Hardly surreptitious. They said they will redirect users to the web page, so in theory still possible (although I don't think I've ever used a web page on my Fire stick, not sure if you can).

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It's kinda hard to whinge on about how warm it is when your freezing your nuts off waiting to catch the Bus into Work, in the Morning. And not look like a complete douche while attempting to do so."

Wow! People that equate local weather with global temperature still exist?

Call David Attenborough! He might be interested in doing a documentary on you.

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Unintended consequences?

Gosh, those two companies are such a lovely match!

I’m no marketing expert, but it strikes me that, in the long term, making the lives of the buyers of their devices more difficult is only going to benefit a third party competitor (Apple or a new entrant to the market).

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Re: Unintended consequences?

It sounds like TECHEXIT to me ... I'm sure that after negotiating for two years, nothing will change.

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Re: Unintended consequences?

a third party competitor (Apple or a new entrant to the market).

You mean like Roku? They're not exactly a "new entrant," and frankly I find them to be better. I can watch both YouTube and Amazon Prime on it.

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Re: Unintended consequences?

Once Google and Amazon realize their little pissy-fit is helping Roku they'll both ban access from Roku devices to their services. This is what is known as a level playing field.

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Re: Unintended consequences?

This is what is known as a level playing field.

You mean something like M.A.D? (Only that levels the playing field. And the city. And the rest of the country.....

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Re: Unintended consequences?

Such a level-headed individual...

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Love the Hendrix reference

That is all.

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Headline was:

"Google has but one burning desire: Let them ban access to Fire... Oh move over rover, and let Mountain View take over"

but... some killjoy (cough, me) changed it. Mainly because it's Google pulling access, rather than Amazon banning, and I didn't want the headache of explaining the lyric to either side's PR people.

C.

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Re: Love the Hendrix reference

Thanks for the ear bug... Just what I needed today.

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At least they didn't tie the rhyme to Last Christmas, by Wham...

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Who's Hendrix?

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At least they didn't tie the rhyme to Last Christmas, by Wham...

Tis the season an all that....

At this point it's a close odds toss up whether the 'high suicide rate' at xmas isn't more related to the constant repeat of the shortlist of current 'in fashion' xmas pop absolutely every shop is playing.

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Re: Love the Hendrix reference

sorry people, had to give him the upvote, you clearly forgot it's the reg, where "fake" is actually real fake, and vice-versa ...

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@ sabroni

haha... you kids today. ;)

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"At this point it's a close odds toss up whether the 'high suicide rate' at xmas isn't more related to the constant repeat of the shortlist of current 'in fashion' xmas pop absolutely every shop is playing."

Having worked in a department store one Christmas where they played the "Mariah Carey's Christmas Carols" album on repeat for the entire month of December - i can certainly attest to the effect of this Inhumane Treatment (and I suspect breach of the geneva convention) on workers sanity's. Admittedly, I was closer to going homicidal rather than suicidal, but I'd hardly consider that being in my right mind.... (and thankfully I dont live in the US where fulfilling those homicidal tendencies would have been significantly easier to accomplish!)

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@Teiwaz

As a sufferer of depression and having known people who have attempted (and succeeded in one case) suicide, I always enjoy ignorant twunts like you trivializing suicide.

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~Tis the season an all that....

At this point it's a close odds toss up whether the 'high suicide rate' at xmas isn't more related to the constant repeat of the shortlist of current 'in fashion' xmas pop absolutely every shop is playing.~

Except who actually still bothers to schelp their butts to the Mall anymore? I thought us really clever People let Santa Team c/o DHL do the Shopping for us... From the comfort of our comfie chairs.

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Re: Love the Hendrix reference

> Who's Hendrix?

I think he's the lute player from the Asterix The Gaul stories.

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> Who's Hendrix?

Was. Sort of like this Taylor Swift gal, except that Hendrix was male, from a minority, and could actually play an instrument (badly, but he could, at least when he wasn't too out of his head).

But that's from a time when autotune had not been invented yet.

Now excuse me, while I kiss this guy.

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Re: Love the Hendrix reference

"I didn't want the headache of explaining the lyric to either side's PR people."

Oh come now. Corporate lawyers are known for their senses of humor!

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@IsJustabloke

As someone who has attempted and failed, and continues to ponder suicide-as-the-only-option daily, I have no issue with Teiwaz or anyone else trivializing suicide. Lets stop pretending like death (no matter the method), and life for that matter, is sacred. Everything's a joke.

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At this point it's a close odds toss up whether the 'high suicide rate' at xmas isn't more related to the constant repeat of the shortlist of current 'in fashion' xmas pop absolutely every shop is playing.

Was thinking while out shopping just an hour ago that next week I'll need a set of large over-ear headphones. Problem is, to buy them I have to enter another shop.

I second the idea that this repetitive crap (and not "recent" music either, some of the people behind that stuff have been dead for decades (and some of the original songs go back centuries!) in the shops and on radio every few minutes and on tv (made the mistake of watching 10 mintues of live TV the other night, bloody AWFUL!) must push not just the suicide rates but road rage, domestic violence and other things through the roof. Bad enough that we have the other pressures of this time of year without that stuff as well.

I would vote for a couple of law changes. 1) christmas "music" can only be played on December 25th, and not after 7pm. 2) Any broadcaster playing such songs must have the person who opted to play that song restrained with a gun pointed at their head, electrical current attached to their testicles, and their hand glued to the trigger. The song they chose to inflict on the rest of us must be repeated to them 10 times in quick succession while the current to the knackers is steadily increased. If they reach the end without pulling the trigger (either to make the noise go away or out of convulsion from the current) then they can air said song. Oh, and the final stages of the current must be high enough to ensure that they will never breed again. Because if someone can listen to that 10 times, we don't want them in the gene pool.

The second song they want to play must have a linked gun pointed at any of their loved ones. 3rd one the gun automatically fires at the merest suggestion of it.

Set the gun up right and they can listen to their favourite xmas1 songs till their ears bleed.

1 "x" coz I'd not sully the Name of Christ by association with this stuff (kinda sad when you consider I sully His Name by association with me! :( )

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@Teiwaz

As a sufferer of depression and having known people who have attempted (and succeeded in one case) suicide, I always enjoy ignorant twunts like you trivializing suicide.

Downvote because my life has given me plenty of reason to try to end it (yes, some of those things are my own fault), and I've lost a couple of very good friends to it over time.

Sometimes making light of things gives us something to laugh at and takes away some of the pain associated with these things.

So thanks for bringing some darkness back into this world where someone else intended laughter. Bloody well done.

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"So thanks for bringing some darkness back into this world where someone else intended laughter. Bloody well done."

Was just a moment to late to edit to add that at this time of year that the terrible noise you can't escape from has often brought me closer to ending my life.

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Having worked in a department store one Christmas where they played the "Mariah Carey's Christmas Carols" album on repeat for the entire month of December - i can certainly attest to the effect of this Inhumane Treatment (and I suspect breach of the geneva convention) on workers sanity's. Admittedly, I was closer to going homicidal rather than suicidal, but I'd hardly consider that being in my right mind.... (and thankfully I dont live in the US where fulfilling those homicidal tendencies would have been significantly easier to accomplish!)

Spare a thought for the people working at the Harrods Christmas card department. They used to open the department in something like June due to foreign customer demand. They used to suffer/enjoy Christmas hits for 6 months at a time. I believe they got permission to change this one year after it was driving the staff nuts.

I actually walked out of a shop who skipped The Pogues featuring Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale of New York when it was midway through the intro, onto Mariah Carey - All I Want.

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Badly? Ok your free to go now.... And, not to ever darken our Door again.

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@elip

You sir are correct as the Pythons once remarked, we must always look on the bright side of life...

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In Tesco yesterday, they were playing 'Adeste Fideles' in proper Latin - we aren't allowed that even in Church here.

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Stupidity on a grand scale

I'm one of those people they are annoying. I would have a prime subscription right now if it would cast to my Chromecast ultra. Win for both parties. Guess it's Netflix and YouTube for me then. GG Amazon.

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Having an Amazon Prime subscription I am much much more likely to buy stuff through Amazon. I am also more likely to keep my Prime subscription if I can cast Prime Video through my chromecast (80% of our TV watching is through the chromecast). We did get a fire stick but the interface is so clunky compared to using a phone we can't be bothered to use it.

I _probably_ won't drop Amazon Prime due to no chromecast support, but it does annoy the hell out of me

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Remove Google from Services!!

Finally we know why Bezos wants to build ICBMs and deliver "packages" by drone.

Google: Scheduled for termination!

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More of a loss for Google

Since Google loses some number of youtube eyeballs staring at their increasingly intrusive ads (now sometimes stacking up 3 deep before the free customer created vid appears).

Seems more like Google is just getting a twist in their tighty whiteys over youtube's failure to bring in channel income (the for pay channels) vs. Amazon Prime and NetFlix.

Though I don't really see why Amazon wouldn't peddle Google's hardware... money is money, and if your product can't compete, well, maybe one should take the hint. Or maybe up the grease ante with Pai so that the high bidder can buy all the bandwidth and leave nothing for anyone else.

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Re: More of a loss for Google

Because whoever owns the home spy box owns the consumer

This is a war between Amazon Echo and Google Home, Apple aren't even on the horizon

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Re: More of a loss for Google

And it’s seems that Echo has been a bit of a success, whilst whatever it is that Google are offering gets a market “Meh”.

That’s based on the fact that I know several people with the Echo, and no one at all with Google’s (ie a very scientific and objective measurement...).

So Amazon are winning it, Google aren’t. Kinda makes sense; you can’t really buy stuff from Google like you can from Amazon. Amazon has stuff sell, google don’t.

Google are like “yes you can buy from us, well really it’s a targeted search system not a buying system, we’ll cream off the top but any purchase is between you and the vendor leave us out of it don’t come to us when they’ve pinched your money and posted you a picture of a cabbage instead of the 1TB SSD you ordered no we don’t have our own distribution centres your items will all be delivered separately”.

Google are trying to get to the top of the market the lazy way, ie not having physical presences anywhere other than data centres. It shows. A mate has a Pixel phone, he cracked the glass, but there is no (or was not, may have changed now) spares distribution system or repair network he can go to to get it fixed (it’ll probalably be a market stand job). If it were Apple or Samsung there’d be no problem. Both are in the business of selling hardware and have the supporting infrastructure to suit.

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From my perspective Amazon are winning for different reasons - Everyone I know that has an Echo is also an Apple fan, generally these people wouldn't consider a Google product. Apple fans also tend to have money to burn so they're happy to buy the latest gadget.

I'm struggling to justify why I would want any of these products, its quicker for me to add something into my phone myself then try and get an assistant to do it for me, I really don't have a desire to buy goods from Amazon using voice, I prefer to see what I'm buying first.

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Re: More of a loss for Google

There's ads on youtube?

Oh, you must be one of those people who don't use an ad blocker.

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