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British miltech boffinry outfit Qinetiq has opened a testing centre named the Dragonworks for the building and tweaking of giant laser cannon. So named after the Dragonfire weapon which will be its first product, the Dragonworks is located near Farnborough, in the heart of the leafy Home Counties. The facility, which includes …

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  1. Semtex451
    Pint

    You could easily fit that to a whale

    But could people please stop saying "hence why". 'Hence' makes the 'why' redundant.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Simpler still

      Just "That's why..."

      "Hence" is definitely getting to sound a bit medieval (or should I say "mediaeval"?) today. It has overtones of Sir Walter Scott.

      1. Pen-y-gors

        Re: Simpler still

        What, pray, is wrong with sounding a bit mediæval (FTFY)? Or Sir Walter Scott?

        Sounding mediæval is a sign of a broad education. Unless you're Rees-Moggie in which it merely shows that your sense of values hasn't evolved beyond the 18th Century.

        1. Commswonk
          Happy

          Re: Simpler still

          Sounding mediæval is a sign of a broad education.

          As does the use of ligatures...

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
            Coat

            Re: Simpler still

            "As does the use of ligatures..."

            The Boston Strangler was well educated then?

      2. Truckle The Uncivil
        Devil

        Re: Simpler still

        @Arctech

        Get thee hence....

    2. jmch Silver badge

      "You could easily fit that to a whale"

      but needs to be a bit smaller for a shark :)

      1. Nick Ryan Silver badge

        but needs to be a bit smaller for a shark :)

        And that, sir, is why we are simultaneously investing in DNA technology. Can't minimise the shark mounted laser weaponry enough using current technology? No problem! Just use bigger sharks.

        Nothing could go wrong. Nothing at all.

        1. Michael H.F. Wilkinson Silver badge

          A pity Megalodon is extinct

          It might have been the right fit.

          On second thoughts, it is perhaps a good thing that Megalodon went extinct. Even though they were probably deep ocean sharks, a predator with a mouth that fits six humans with room to spare could put people off bathing in the ocean.

      2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        but needs to be a bit smaller for a shark :)

        Combine the two - hence 'whale shark'.

        Would give it some teeth too. Assuming that the target is out of the water..

  2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    Perfect climate

    " reduced in effectiveness by rain, fog and mist" and fitted to warships whose engines don't work in hot weather.

    So we are limited to attacking countries with mildly pleasant benign weather.

    Soon Monoco will tremble before our mighty imperial navy.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Perfect climate

      "So we are limited to attacking countries with mildly pleasant benign weather."

      Until they work out a way to redirect the steam from the auxiliary boilers as an alternative to making smoke.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Perfect climate

      Well, it will be a perfect match for the F-35 which can't take off (or even be outdoors) in the rain. Not without a hoodie at least.

      In ancient and medieval times campaigning stopped in the winter due to unfavourable weather (and a general lack of food).

      Maybe getting back to that custom would be a good first step. Then it would merely remain to extend the "no fighting" season through the summer.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Perfect climate

        "In ancient and medieval times campaigning stopped in the winter due to unfavourable weather (and a general lack of food)."

        Confucius remarked that "In Spring and Autumn there are no righteous wars."

        Double meaning: because fighting in the planting and harvesting seasons is very bad for the economy, but Spring and Autumn was the name of the official Chinese history book.

        You have Confucius on your side.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Perfect climate

          Thank you, Sir. Now I feel wholly vindicated!

      2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Perfect climate

        Then it would merely remain to extend the "no fighting" season through the summer.

        And wars would have to stop during a merge window because of the need to test updates.

        Perhaps the military aphorism of this century will be "never fight a land war with version 1.0"

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Perfect climate

        > "In ancient and medieval times campaigning stopped in the winter due to unfavourable weather (and a general lack of food)."

        Also in 2017, even the Afghan fighting season takes time out over winter and they love fighting.

    3. macjules
      Paris Hilton

      Re: Perfect climate

      We build a gigantic laser cannon, mount it on one of our 'Aircraft Carriers' (which have no aircraft to carry apart from the occasional Gypsy Moth) and use the second carrier as a fuel supply since they failed to install nuclear propulsion on either ship.

      The other, more sensible, option is that we train up 20 very angry Great White sharks and mount lasers on them.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Perfect climate

      "So we are limited to attacking countries with mildly pleasant benign weather. Soon Monoco will tremble before our mighty imperial navy."

      Govt will be trying harder to keep rights in Gibraltar than they're currently fighting to keep rights for UK citizens then .....

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      1. Michael H.F. Wilkinson Silver badge

        Re: Perfect climate

        Perhaps they aim to conquer only those regions with a perfect climate, and settle there.

        Maybe that is their cunning plan

      2. breakfast Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Perfect climate

        Little known history fact: The Romans actually had these weapons. That is why a) they conquered the Mediterranean so easily and b) they were eventually defeated by goths.

    6. phuzz Silver badge

      Re: Perfect climate

      Yes, but thanks to global warming, laser weapons will be even be effective in Glasgow.

    7. John70

      Re: Perfect climate

      If they can make the weapon work in British weather, they'll be onto a winner.

  3. DJO Silver badge

    In a parallel development sheets of ablative corner reflectors are used to cover missiles.

    1. Seajay#

      That occurred to me too. Maybe it's fine because the enemy deciding to cover his crucial assets in the most high visibility materials possible would be a win for us even if we never fire the laser.

  4. frank ly

    re. LDEW

    I wish they'd call it CREWS (Coherent Radiation Emission Weapons System).

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: re. LDEW

      I'm rooting for Coherent Radiation Armaments Project.

      This'll be another money sink. The Yanks and Ruskies are about five to ten years ahead of us, why waste money developing another version of sometimes effective weapon?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: re. LDEW

        "why waste money developing another version of sometimes effective weapon?"

        A good reason would be to, for example, avoid buying into something like the USA's F-35B project with no real control or oversight available to the UK government, delays, ever-escalating costs (mostly going to US firms), and operational dependence on totally and utterly friendly and reliable foreign nations - such as Turkey for engine servicing, at the insistence of the USA.

        - after all, there's no really good laser weapon system yet in service which can do something conventional weapons can't so there isn't one you can just buy now. The Yanks are fielding one example of their apparently effective AN/SEQ-3 Laser Weapon System but when the ship it's on is decommissioned next year, the laser's not being shifted to its replacement.

        A credible reason would be that the defence contractors involved in Dragonfire are good at lobbying the government and MOD.

        Take yer pick.

      2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: re. LDEW

        "The Yanks and Ruskies are about five to ten years ahead of us, why waste money developing another version of sometimes effective weapon?"

        The UK is pretty good with original research and even building prototypes. What we are shit at is development and production of a final product. Weapons systems are not generally mass produced so we might possibly do ok with this.

  5. TRT Silver badge

    They need to design...

    a system for mounting these weapons on a variety of different vehicles.

    Maybe something known as the

    Standardised

    Hard-point for

    Armaments with

    Radiative

    Kilowatt

    Systems

    1. ChrB

      Re: They need to design...

      Precisely!

    2. macjules

      Re: They need to design...

      This is Qinetiq/MoD we are talking about, right?

      Strategic

      Environment

      Aware

      Ballistic

      Armament

      Seaborne

      System

  6. Rich 11

    Dragonstrike

    Dragonworks is located near Farnborough, in the heart of the leafyburny Home Counties.

    Obviously this is just a cover for a deeper, more secret aerial strike capability.

    1. israel_hands

      Re: Dragonstrike

      Hampshire is rarely considered part of the home counties, and certainly not the heart of them.

      Aside form that, the point that got me was the mention of reduced effectiveness due to water vapour. While lasers sound cool, they really work better in the absence of atmosphere*. The idea that ramping up the power behind it to compensate for foggy conditions is probably not the best. The only way to penetrate water vapour is for the beam to be powerful enough that it superheats it instantly. Which would take a lot of power and create massive amounts of steam which would a) add to the problem of beam decoherence and b) draw a very obvious straight line between the target and the weapon platform along the path of your supposedly invisible death-ray.

      At the end of the day, kinetics are simpler, more efficient and more effective. Yes, you could potentially build a laser powerful enough to punch a hole through battleship plate, but there are more than enough ways to do that already which are simpler, proven and already in production. If they want to spend money on researching better weapons I'd strongly suggest they look into coil guns. Using a strong magnetic pulse to accelerate a solid projectile is way more efficient than lasers and can, if you can get it efficient enough, provide benefits over chemical accelerants.

      * I'm not suggesting that lasers are particularly useful in space, either. I've read enough of Project Rho to understand that they're essentially a good way of cooking your crew with waste heat while doing very little damage to your target compared to the total energy output of your "weapon". The only practical use for them is to damage fragile sensory equipment but even then, it's probably cheaper to keep hurling chunks of metal until you either knock out something important or just wreck the target completely.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Headmaster

        Re: Dragonstrike

        You, boy! Yes, you! I'll have no stating of the bleeding obvious in my school! That's swearing at a master!

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Dragonstrike

        "Hampshire is rarely considered part of the home counties, and certainly not the heart of them."

        Something tells me you're not an estate agent.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Dragonstrike

          Perhaps he is an estate agent?

          Its like saying a townhouse in Swindon is in the middle of the Cotswolds...

      3. DainB Bronze badge

        Re: Dragonstrike

        So the obvious solution is to use rail gun to shoot laser gun which in turns either shoots target with a laser or simply hits it.

      4. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Dragonstrike

        But, but, but... Flash Gordon!!!

        1. Roj Blake Silver badge

          Re: But, but, but... Flash Gordon!!!

          GORDON'S ALIVE?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: But, but, but... Flash Gordon!!!

            Yes, Flash Gordon Broon.

            I assume you were referring to him?

      5. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Dragonstrike

        "While lasers sound cool, they really work better in the absence of atmosphere*"

        Maybe Reaction Engines are secretly a lot further on than we the public are lead to believe and HOTOL is being resurrected...

      6. ThatOne Silver badge

        Re: Dragonstrike

        > I'm not suggesting that lasers are particularly useful in space, either.

        Lasers do have one huge advantage over kinetic weapons of all kinds: The speed of light.

        In close combat it doesn't make a big difference, but over huge distances without dust or haze like you might find in space that advantage means that you can destroy any missile crawling towards you. Evasive maneuvers also get a lot more difficult when somebody shoots light beams at you.

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    2. Tom 7

      Re: Dragonstrike

      Deep cover for the 3rd runway protesters?

  7. Empire of the Pussycat

    no sharks?

    FAKE NEWS

    SAD

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Joke

      Re: no sharks?

      I actually WAS wondering if the facility had a pool...

  8. Martin-73 Silver badge
    Joke

    Why is this needed

    We already have Scorpion Stare on every street corner ;)

  9. Mark 85

    Given the incompatibility of laser beams and wet weather, I would have though this is a no-go. Maybe time to rethink about the MASER tech as I understand it's not affected by weather or maybe not as much.

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