back to article Brit moron tried buying a car bomb on dark web, posted it to his address. Now he's screwed

A British teenager who tried to order a car bomb on the dark web and get it delivered to his address has been found guilty this week. Gurtej Randhawa Failure ... Gurtej Randhawa (Source: NCA) Gurtej Randhawa, 19, of Wightwick, in the West Midlands of England, was cuffed by cops in May after purchasing what he thought was …

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And if this sudden jihadist had not been so stupid? How many dead?

The real story here is about teenagers who grow up wanting to murder infidels for their religion.

"He was not involved in an organised crime group or linked to terrorism..."

Um, car bomb? Yet, no "link to terrorism"? Yeah, sure.

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...why are you assuming he's a 'jihadist' exactly? If I were gonna make any cases, based on the name and mugshot, I'd guess he was a Sikh.

And no, wanting a car bomb doesn't make you a terrorist. Terrorism is violence with a political objective. Thus the Las Vegas shooting, for instance, wasn't terrorism. Plenty of people have been blown up with car bombs for non-political reasons.

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The Mattese Government Mafia use carbombs, yet nobody accuses them of terrorism.

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"why are you assuming he's a 'jihadist' exactly?"

He's assuming that because the guy is brown. Whether John will admit that or not is another matter...

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If I were gonna make any cases, based on the name and mugshot, I'd guess he was a Sikh

All the name tells you is that he has Pubjabi heritage (Jat, specifically) and most Punjabis are Pakistani (~70%) and therefore Muslim (~98%).

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The cops explicitly say he was not linked to terrorism.

Big John demonstrates once again that he is incapable of reading simple English without putting it through a very peculiar brain filter.

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RE: "why are you assuming he's a 'jihadist' exactly?"

Because on balance of probability, being that the vast majority of terrorist incidents world wide are linked to Islam, then it's most likely that's the case here.

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Big John's point was that the Police were likely not being entirely honest.

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Re: the vast majority of terrorist incidents world wide are linked to Islam

Or you could say the vast majority of terrorists incidents world wide are linked to western imperialism. Learn a bit of history, as usual the situation is far more complex than "islam = bad, capitalism = good".

No, I'm not excusing terrorism, I'm also not giving Western governments a free pass.

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"All the name tells you is that he has Pubjabi heritage (Jat, specifically) and most Punjabis are Pakistani (~70%) and therefore Muslim (~98%)."

But I would expect a Muslim to have a Muslim name. The top-knot also suggests a wearer of a Sikh turban.

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"He's assuming that because the guy is brown" And therein lies the problem, because if you were to open up any of us humans, be it with a machete, an IED or on the surgeons table, you will find that we are ALL exactly the same colour on the inside. Yet the wrapper is what gets our attention and not the shared contents. Quite when humanity, as a whole, will be able to get over this apparently built-in bias towards some really quite subtle external differences is increasingly difficult to tell, but I feel sure that the primitive tribalism and deluded religious belief systems which we continue to exhibit will keep us all held back from progress for some time to come.

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"And if this sudden jihadist had not been so stupid? How many dead?"

If he'd actually been able to buy a car bomb online (and how exactly was he expecting that to work? The postie was just going to turn up one morning with a bomb in a box? How much more transparently a setup would it have to be?), then he'd have wound up killing himself, and maybe his mum (who I'm assuming is the 45 y/o who was arrested with him).

This dude is clearly not the sharpest tool in the box, I'd guess his next move would have been to declare jihad on facebook using his own account.

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Um, car bomb? Yet, no "link to terrorism"? Yeah, sure.

I heard he was really offended by the VW emissions thing and that Passat had it coming.

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"Big John's point was that the Police were likely not being entirely honest."

That's the result of passing it through the brain filter that Rich 11 mentioned.

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Um, car bomb? Yet, no "link to terrorism"? Yeah, sure.

Maybe he had a problem with his mother-in-law, could not get hold of an assault rifle, and decided it was easier to blow up the 'church' she attended?

Because that's terrorism right?

In fact, from reports I have read, that seems to be pretty much it. He's a Sikh and had a falling out with his parents, presumably also Sikhs. So no "terrorism", no "wanting to murder infidels for their religion", just common or garden grudge, seeking to blow up their car, seemingly with them in it. Hate towards his parents getting out of control.

Take your anti-Muslim bigotry elsewhere.

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because if you were to open up any of us humans, be it with a machete, an IED or on the surgeons table, you will find that we are ALL exactly the same colour on the inside.

At least, after correcting for the number of cigarettes smoked during their lifetime.

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"RE: "why are you assuming he's a 'jihadist' exactly?""

I think the assumption goes something along the lines of

1) He was in poesssion of a (fake) car bomb.

2) This has no other purporse than blowing up a car and killing people nearby with shrapnel.

3) That's usually connected with terrorism.

4) The substantive majority of people slaughtering random crowds at the moment are jihadists. (replacing the IRA, and wide variety of terrorist groups funded by the soviet union during the cold war in revenge for us bankrolling and supplying the taliban and causing the soviet union to have to quit afghanistan)

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"3) That's usually connected with terrorism."

Read what you wrote again. See that word "usually"? It's a dangerous word to use if you're not into rigorous thinking. It can lead you seriously off-track.

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"Or you could say the vast majority of terrorists incidents world wide are linked to western imperialism. "

The majority of Islamic terrorist actions worldwide are not against western countries. That kind of makes your point silly.

How many western countries currently have the death penalty for apostasy or homosexuality or adultery? The issue here isn't big bad imperialists. It is a incompatible difference between Islam and western ideals.

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"the vast majority of terrorist incidents world wide are linked to Islam"

Only because when white people commit terrorist actions, they're "lone wolves", "have mental issues", etc. Anything to not call them terrorists when they blow people up or kill scores of innocent people. Shooting up churches in the name of creating a race war isn't terrorism because Dylann Roof was white, don't ya know, and Brevik wasn't really a terrorist for reasons. But, if a guy's brown it's a terrorist action no matter the actual intention.

You know, because admitting that there's lots of other terrorists and that the vast majority of Muslims do no such thing gets in the way of excuses to drop bombs on their countries and stealing their resources. Except the Sauds, of course, they're the good ones despite being behind lots of the actual terrorism directly.

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Re: Judging a book by it's cover

Quite when humanity, as a whole, will be able to get over this apparently built-in bias towards some really quite subtle external differences is increasingly difficult to tell...

I think we never will, although we should certainly try hard to.

I suspect this bias is deliberately hard-wired into all of us so we can very quickly make a decision about who is in our tribe/pack vs. who is not, and therefore might be a competing or dangerous threat. Dogs and other pack animals behave in just the same way. The BIOS in our wet-ware stack has not been updated for a very, very long time. As a species we will react very badly indeed when we meet our first ET en masse.

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Re: the vast majority of terrorist incidents world wide are linked to Islam

How many western countries currently have the death penalty for apostasy or homosexuality or adultery?

Unless those countries you are thinking of are specifically theocracies, they will have a separation of state and religion, and thus their laws are a cultural, not a religious artefact. Don't conflate what are societal norms in a culture with religion. Very few countries have the death penalty for apostasy (although there is no excuse for those that do), and several sub-saharan african countries that are nominally Christian have the death penalty for homosexuality or adultery.

The fact is that Islam encompasses a vast number of people from different cultural backgrounds, and you are insinuating that they all behave like the lowest common denominator. It's the exact same faulty thinking that equates all Christians with racist bible-belt gun nuts.

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Re: the vast majority of terrorist incidents world wide are linked to Islam

In addition to innate racial discrimination (which civilized beings try to overcome with rational thoughts) there is a very disturbing set of people who seem to find it acceptable to make disabled peoples' lives even more miserable than it probably already is.

I mean, really, what could someone with one leg, or down syndrome, possibly have done to someone that was so bad that hundreds of arseholes think it's ok to ridicule them, even attack them?

Are peoples' lives so empty and devoid of compassion that they can't tell when they are actually quite well off (historically speaking) and feel like bashing on someone totally worse off than they are?

Seriously, I don't get it.

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"...why are you assuming he's a 'jihadist' exactly? If I were gonna make any cases, based on the name and mugshot, I'd guess he was a Sikh."

More likely a Jat... some of whom are of the Sikh faith, others Hindu, others Muslim. The name alone is insufficient, and he looks as though he might have shaved sometime which means he probably isn't an _observant_ Sikh. Maybe.

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"Because on balance of probability, being that the vast majority of terrorist incidents world wide are linked to Islam, then it's most likely that's the case here."

Damn boy, you mean that the ee-vul bacon-haters have gone and taken another job from us hard-working, exceedingly Catholic, Irishmen? Time for a new crusade! Deus Vult! (No, not deus vulture, you prod gits.)

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...declare jihad on facebook...

Finally, something we can all get behind.

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> It's a dangerous word to use if you're not into rigorous thinking

Well, I'd say it's a dangerous word to omit if you're not into rigorous thinking.

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The Maltese Government Mafia use carbombs, yet nobody accuses them of terrorism.

No, but politically the country is in such a mess that even the corrupt people are fed up, and whoever did this has pretty much put a fuse to a powder keg.

That said, WTF? Selling car bomb assemblies online? Sure, grab the buyers asap but I certainly would want to have the proven sellers moved to narrower confines as well, preferably with one of their products, counting down from a week. "I didn't know the buyer was going to blow things up" is a rather hard sell to any sane judge IMHO.

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Big John demonstrates once again that he is incapable of reading simple English without putting it through a very peculiar brain filter.

FIFY :)

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thought you trump voting morons had your own social network, gab or whatever it is ... please kindly piss off and take your anti science, idiotic, ignorant, racist spleen over there ... w*****

oh and same goes for you other knobs that upvoted you ..

and good luck commanding the tide not to come in...

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@ Peter2

The taliban

Osama bin Laden

The Muslim Brotherhood

ISIS (no concrete proof on that one yet, but y'know, regime change and all)

Jamaliat based variants throughout asia .....

And that's just the muslim radicals that the "western" governments have spent money, arms, training on in the last 50 years. We could go on and on -- there's reason to look at all of Chechnya and several of the 'stans something about oil and other interesting minerals that seem to have gone missing over the years... It really is a simple fact, the CIA is either utterly stupid or completely insane.

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"It really is a simple fact, the CIA is either utterly stupid or completely insane."

That doesn't look like an xor function to me.

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"Selling car bomb assemblies online? Sure, grab the buyers asap"

The implication in the article is that the seller was a cop. Posting to a dark web sales portal.

There are of course *other* implications there but I'll bet fairly long odds that this was in the category of that group of LEA that are tasked with "Get some idiot to do something stupid online, and find out where they live". Like the herd of '13 year old teenage girls'.

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"3) That's usually connected with terrorism."

Not really.

Car bombs are mostly targeted mob and political assassination devices. They are used to remove a particular offending Maltese, Ukrainian or Italian journo, a Sicilian prosecutor who is refusing to take the handsome offer given to him, etc. While in some cases it may qualify under the definition of terrorism in most cases it is jut plain old mob settling scores.

(*)The guy is most likely a Sikh by the way (I am 95% confident as I was unfortunate to have a Sikh with the same family name as a boss and he mentioned he had relatives in that neighbourhood). So that mostly removes the more common terrorist motives for the "UK market" at present.

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I think you need to open up a dictionary and see what the definition of terror is:

noun

1.intense, sharp, overmastering fear:

to be frantic with terror.

2.an instance or cause of intense fear or anxiety; quality of causing terror:

to be a terror to evildoers.

3.any period of frightful violence or bloodshed likened to the Reign of Terror in France.

4.violence or threats of violence used for intimidation or coercion; terrorism.

I'm going to make a wild guess and say the people in Las Vegas were terrified.

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Re: the vast majority of terrorist incidents world wide are linked to Islam

How many western countries currently have the death penalty for apostasy or homosexuality or adultery?

You would be surprised by how many people in western countries would like to introduce these. I suggest a re-educational visit to Utah or rural Poland to expand your cultural horizons.

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That's the definition of terror, yes, but the modern definition of terrorISM normally requires association with some group, normally international, with political or religious motives.

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We're all the same on the inside... this is a parochial method of thinking. I take it you're an adult now, and can stop repeating things you were taught when you were 8.

The problem is, the lungs, liver, [insert any organ] may be 'roughly' the same; however, how the brain is programmed and processes isn't the same. It's the brain, not any other organ which dictates your actions.

If you're poor and you grow up in crappy conditions, you're going to see life a lot different than someone who didn't want for anything. You're also going to have very different life experiences.

We don't need white people to 'help us', defend or pander to us. We definitely don't want white people going out of their way to show us they aren't racist. It's not shocking to us, when we invite these white individuals to come to our house to have an evening meal... they'll do everything to change the subject or wiggle out.

You want to lash out against racism then lash out at racism/prejudice, but do it without describing color, religion, jihad, etc. Stop pandering and whining, and start living and accepting ALL people the SAME.

If this kid was white, there wouldn't be any mention of race, religion, conspiracy, etc.

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The Mafia use carbombs, yet nobody accuses them of terrorism.\

Not twice anyway

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"...because if you were to open up any of us humans, be it with a machete, an IED or on the surgeons table, you will find that we are ALL exactly the same colour on the inside."

Reminds me of a Clive Barker quote: "Every body is a book of blood; Wherever we're opened, we're red."

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@SirRS

---- I'll concede that I could have used better syntax there.....

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@ Voland's right hand

" .. rural Poland .. "

That's just it, you'd have to go to some obscure part of a obscure state or province to find them .. Western nations aren't exactly going head over heals to institute such things. hello

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European media has been known to leave the - as you put it - "muslim" bits out.

Wasn't it in Sweden where they even lightened skin tones in published photos?

Let's all hold hands and say all we want for Christmas the general holiday season is world peace an alt+Left one world government?

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"I think you need to open up a dictionary and see what the definition of terror is:"

Why? The word in question was terrorism, not terror. They have six letters in common, but they're not the same word.

(To be very clear: not everything that causes terror is terrorism. Otherwise we'd be struggling to cope with a prison population which had suddenly swollen to include all the world's horror movie directors (at least, the good ones) and haunted house operators.)

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I may be wrong, but I thought all Singhs are Sihks. I however missed "Singh" in the Registers article, I did see it in other journals. I also do not see a "top knot" in this article which again to me would say Sikh.

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Most acts of terrorism are committed by muslims. i.e. they believe that there is only one true religion and way of life and all should follow it or should not exist. Roman catholics used to do the same thing, so give Islam another 50 years, (hopefully we wont need 700 years), and they might grow up and realise religions are fairly silly things to follow.

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Car bombs

The Mafia over here has used car bombs to execute someone so it is not clear way he wanted one or who his target is.

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"Take your anti-Muslim bigotry elsewhere."

Last time I checked, you don't own this place, although I'm sure the high horse offers a super view.

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No, no, no!

Just because someone is terrified, does NOT make it terrorism, however many times the American media and politicians say ao.

By your definition, if there is a serial rapist working in an area, he's a terrorist, because until he's caught, women are terrified to go out.

The mad nutjob in Las Vegas... wasn't a terrorist.

Dylan roof was sorta trying to be a terrorist, but was really just a murdering racist arsehole.

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"How many western countries currently have the death penalty for apostasy or homosexuality or adultery?"

The Dominionists leading the ever-rightward push in the Republican party are salivating at the possibility of doing exactly that in the U.S.. If the Democrats can't get their act together, expect it in about ten years.

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