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2017's Ig Nobel prizes have been awarded, again with the aim of shining a light on science that first makes you laugh and then makes you think. Some of this year's most interesting awards are: Physics – To Antoine Fardin, for using fluid dynamics to probe the question "Can a Cat Be Both a Solid and a Liquid?” in On the …

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  1. jake Silver badge

    Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

    Cats are merely boneless. Everybody knows that.

    Gambling is for people who can't do math(s). Gators don't figure into it.

    One wonders if the inserted beat makes mommy-to-be ... uh .... er ... "smile", that's it ... and baby gets the endorphin rush.

    People who are disgusted by cheese were brought up by abusive parents.

    1. m0rt

      Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

      "Cats are merely boneless. Everybody knows that."

      Actually cats' insides don't inhabit the same dimension as the rest of them. This answers many things about cats. Why they turn up in odd places, etc. They are actually sentient alien drones, designed to examine every part of a world to decide if it is worth invading. It wasn't, apparently. But some of the drones decided that since they could train the top indiginous species easily, they wanted to bunk off and didn't go back. Being Von Neumann machines they replicated and, well, we have the current situation now.

      "Gambling is for people who can't do math(s). Gators don't figure into it."

      Personally, if you are anywhere near a Gator, there is an element of risk, one could say gambling.

      Can't argue with your last two observations. Cheese rules. After cats, that is.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

        > if you are anywhere near a Gator, there is an element of risk,

        Years ago, I stupidly went to a zoo in Malawi. There was a sign - "Crocodiles" - pointing down a narrow fenced lane, the fencing just some chicken wire, not especially secure. This lane ended, and I looked across to a pool, wondering where the crocodile(s) were? I then glanced down to find the rather large croc at my feet*, with just some chicken wire between it an me.

        The science is that I discovered a Boolean variation of Schrödinger's cat - you can have clean undies or you can be standing next to a crocodile with nothing between you except chicken wire.

        -

        * It was probably old, toothless, used to visitors or couldn't be bothered. It wasn't dead, and neither am I, I think, so I'm guessing...

      2. Spudley

        Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

        "Gambling is for people who can't do math(s). Gators don't figure into it."

        Indeed they don't. I think the article stated that it was crocodiles.

      3. h4rm0ny

        Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

        >>Actually cats' insides don't inhabit the same dimension as the rest of them. This answers many things about cats. Why they turn up in odd places, etc. They are actually sentient alien drones, designed to examine every part of a world to decide if it is worth invading

        So basically they're just an intrusion into our universe of pan-dimensional hyper-intelligent beings?

        I think you'll find that's mice.

        1. Kane
          Thumb Up

          Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

          "So basically they're just an intrusion into our universe of pan-dimensional hyper-intelligent beings?

          I think you'll find that's mice."

          That's the other dimension....just over there....

    2. hplasm
      Thumb Up

      Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

      "Gambling is for people who can't do math(s)."

      [caveat]: Winning at Gambling is for people who cando math(s) well.

      1. GlenP Silver badge

        Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

        "Winning at Gambling is for people who can do math(s) well"

        In other words bookmakers! Casinos don't need to do maths, the odds are already in their favour.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Casinos do a lot of math

          Actually, they hire expensive math researches to ensure they can easily extract money from gullible people whenever they design a new game - sure, they need someone to win sometimes to ensure gullible people keep on playing...

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: casinos

          And if the odds go against them (as in card counters at blackjack) they employ large hard men to tell you to go elsewhere.

          1. jmch Silver badge

            Re: casinos

            Yep, that's the ultimate business model.

            Not only do they on average win mor ethan they lose because, probability, but they can also ban anyone for winning without any further reason given

          2. MonkeyCee

            Re: casinos

            They don't even use big hard men, unless you're on the list.

            I've had the very polite representative of the house inform me that my bets will not be accepted at blackjack, but other games are available. Poker is popular as it's gamblers fleecing each other with a skim for the house.

            Most of the gaming houses around these parts only have house favoured games anyway. Slots, roulette and poker, no blackjack.

          3. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            "And if the odds go against them"

            That just happens for old games too popular to be removed - people who designed then in the past didn't perform a full mathematical analysis of the odds. There are a few for which a definitive answer is not known yet, though.

        3. jmch Silver badge

          Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

          "Casinos don't need to do maths, the odds are already in their favour."

          Rather, I would say that Casinos and bookies have the odds in their favour BECAUSE they are very good at (some very specific) maths

          1. Aladdin Sane

            Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

            'If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.' - Terry Pratchett

            Obligatory request for Pterry icon.

            1. Kane
              Thumb Up

              Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid. @Aladdin Sane

              "Cats will amusingly tolerate humans only until someone comes up with a tin opener that can be operated with a paw."

              ― Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms

              "Obligatory request for Pterry icon."

              Seconded, again.

              1. Sir Runcible Spoon
                Alert

                Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid. @Aladdin Sane

                "Obligatory request for Pterry icon."

                Seconded, again.

                Since you mention it, I think it is high time we started a campaign. Haven't had one in ages!

                Rather than overtaxing the El Reg staffers though, perhaps we could propose some kind of 'unsung genius' icon that could also apply to Douglas Adams?

                There are several icons that are hardly ever used - just re-purpose those - how hard can it be?

                1. m0rt

                  Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid. @Aladdin Sane

                  How about a 42 crossed with a scythe in the background?

                  1. Kane
                    Boffin

                    Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

                    "How about a 42 crossed with a scythe in the background?"

                    Whilst I applaud your creative thinking, the prevalence of quotes from both The Greatest Procrastinator That Ever Did Live (‘I love deadlines. I love the whooshing sound they make as they go by.’), and Sir Pterry surely call for their own unique icons?

                    I would recommend for Mr Adams, a cup of really hot tea? And for Sir Pterry, a black, wide brimmed Fedora?

                    1. h4rm0ny

                      Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

                      Perhaps for Douglas Adams, we could have a little heart of gold. It would be kind of touching. A Black Fedora would be great for Sir Pterry, though.

                2. davemcwish

                  Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid. @Aladdin Sane

                  Or we could get the soon-to-be-hired cheese tolerant intern to have a crack.

                3. Bernard M. Orwell
                  Pint

                  Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid. @Aladdin Sane

                  "There are several icons that are hardly ever used - just re-purpose those - how hard can it be?"

                  Nearly sounding like an end-user there! Let's do this properly. Submit an RFC as a non-standard change for CAB consideration, raise SRs as required on the back of that. Wait for six weeks. Send an email wondering where the change went. Wait three more weeks. Give up.

                  Job well done.

                  1. Sir Runcible Spoon

                    Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid. @Aladdin Sane

                    Nearly sounding like an end-user there! Let's do this properly. Submit an RFC as a non-standard change for CAB consideration, raise SRs as required on the back of that. Wait for six weeks. Send an email wondering where the change went. Wait three more weeks. Give up

                    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAArrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....thump.

                    You pretty much just described my day. I come to El Reg to take my mind *off* work you sod :P

                    1. Aladdin Sane

                      Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid. @Aladdin Sane

                      I prefer to raise a JFDI request. Remarkably effective.

                4. David Nash Silver badge

                  Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid. @Aladdin Sane

                  Re. Also Douglas Adams...

                  He would have loved Mobile Phones. I was thinking the other day what would he have made of the feature of modern life where everyone* getting in a lift is looking at their phone?

                  *Except me - I was holding my phone but looking at the other people looking at their phones

                  1. Aladdin Sane

                    Re: Mobile Phones

                    There's an XKCD for that.

                5. Kane
                  Boffin

                  Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid. @Sir Runcible Spoon

                  "Rather than overtaxing the El Reg staffers though..."

                  They are about to employ an intern, aren't they? Seems like the perfect first job to me...

                6. PNGuinn
                  IT Angle

                  NO

                  "There are several icons that are hardly ever used - just re-purpose those - how hard can it be?"

                  And I try to be a good commentard and use all of them. Admittedly, sometimes at random.

                  1. h4rm0ny
                    Paris Hilton

                    Re: NO

                    I use Paris Hilton sometimes as it's the only discernibly female icon.

                    Oh, what a representative for our gender! :/

                    1. Alistair
                      Windows

                      Re: NO

                      I just think that the Regeditors need to add a match for my preferred icon, Cranky Old Codger, with a fem bent. Perhaps a headshot of Admiral Grace would be appropos?

                      And yes, the icon is mislabelled Windows User.

                    2. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
                      Paris Hilton

                      Re: NO

                      @h4rm0ny

                      Oh, what a representative for our gender! :/

                      Paris Hilton for President!

        4. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

          Re: Casinos don't need to do maths

          It is possible to bankrupt a casino, but it takes the skill and determination of a president to do it four times.

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: Casinos don't need to do maths

            People, people, people ... You're missing something. Casinos and bookies aren't gambling, so my comment wasn't directed at them.

        5. Robert Helpmann??
          Coat

          Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

          Casinos don't need to do maths, the odds are already in their favour.

          And how do you suppose that happy circumstance was arrived at? By thoroughly understanding probability. How do they set up new games and expect to bring in the money? Same answer. Why do they prevent collusion between players? Now we're on to game theory. So yes, they do in fact need to understand maths or risk going out of business.

          Mine has a copy of Radner on Dice in the pocket.

        6. Alan Brown Silver badge

          Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

          "Casinos don't need to do maths, the odds are already in their favour."

          With one exception: Blackjack. In that game the odds are about 50:50.

          You can win by counting cards (which will get you kicked out) or statistically by standing at 17+ every time.

    3. Captain DaFt

      Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

      One wonders if the inserted beat makes mommy-to-be ... uh .... er ... "smile", that's it ... and baby gets the endorphin rush.

      On the other hand: The fetus spends most of its time sleeping.

      So is that "strong response" to music the same one I have when the neighbors start blasting their music at 3am?

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

      Can you drink a cat? No therefore it is solid.

      1. Ed_UK

        Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

        "Can you drink a cat? No therefore it is solid."

        Easily fixed:

        Will It Blend? -cat? - YouTube

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHhm5veKnfk

        1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

          Actually they are both when you're not looking. They only settle on one state or the other when you watch them.

      2. Stuart Elliott

        Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

        http://www.willitblend.com/

      3. Little Mouse

        Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

        Can a cat be poured into two separate containers at the same time?

        1. Ben Bonsall

          Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

          Can a cat be poured into two separate containers at the same time?

          Yes:

          https://arxiv.org/abs/1601.05505

          "Quantum superpositions of distinct coherent states in a single-mode harmonic oscillator, known as "cat states", have been an elegant demonstration of Schrodinger's famous cat paradox. Here, we realize a two-mode cat state of electromagnetic fields in two microwave cavities bridged by a superconducting artificial atom, which can also be viewed as an entangled pair of single-cavity cat states. We present full quantum state tomography of this complex cat state over a Hilbert space exceeding 100 dimensions via quantum non-demolition measurements of the joint photon number parity. The ability to manipulate such multi-cavity quantum states paves the way for logical operations between redundantly encoded qubits for fault-tolerant quantum computation and communication. "

      4. Sir Runcible Spoon

        Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

        Can you drink a cat? No therefore it is solid.

        Only because they don't want to be drunk. Ever tried to introduce a cat to a toilet bowl? They magically turning into spinning clawed starfish!

        1. Pen-y-gors

          Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

          @Sir Runcible

          Ever tried to introduce a cat to a toilet bowl?

          Why on earth would you want to do that in the first place? Major claw wounds seem very appropriate.

          1. Trumpet Winsock

            Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

            https://litterkwitter.com/

            My daughter has trained her cat to use one of these. When I visit it is pretty surreal to be lying in bed and hearing the cat taking a piss in the toilet next door, especially as due to my advancing years the bastards flow rate is greater than mine.

            1. Alan Brown Silver badge

              Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

              "My daughter has trained her cat to use one of these. "

              More prosaically, mine will happily use the first stage of that but draw a line in the sand (and the litter) when you get to the parts involving a hole in the middle.

          2. PNGuinn
            Thumb Up

            Ever tried to introduce a cat to a toilet bowl?

            "Why on earth would you want to do that in the first place? Major claw wounds seem very appropriate."

            1. Get the bugger lined up head first.

            2. Hold it down with the bog brush.

            3. Flush!

            4. Repeat 3 as required.

            5. Call plumber.

            6. Job done.

          3. WereWoof

            Re: Cats are neither a solid nor a liquid.

            Because this on how to wash a cat: http://www.corsinet.com/braincandy/hdogcat3.html

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      6. Chozo
        Trollface

        Re: Can you drink a cat?

        Slurping pussy is the best way to get all your vitamins

        according to leading vagitarian Rev Obadiah Steppenwolfe III

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