back to article Sub plot subplot thickens: Madsen claims hatch fumble killed Swede journo Kim Wall

The submarine captain accused of killing a Swedish journalist onboard his homemade vessel says she died when a hatch door accidentally hit her head. Peter Madsen told a Copenhagen court on Tuesday that Kim Wall was slain when a door Madsen was holding open for her slipped and slammed into her as they sailed between Denmark and …

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Scraping the bottom of the excuse bilge?

I hope that comment is not sub judice.

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Re: Scraping the bottom of the excuse bilge?

Aye sea what you did the-arrh.

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Yeah, the hatch hit her head so hard it clean ripped her head off the rest of her body.

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Indeed

"Yeah, the hatch hit her head so hard it clean ripped her head off the rest of her body."

and presumably the force removed her limbs as well....

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and presumably the force removed her limbs as well

Ahh, they got clean ripped off as he pulled her body out of the sub.

In the end, he had to sink the sub as there was bloody *everywhere*. It was going to be easier to build a new sub and claim she'd disappeared than face the clean up.

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Re: Indeed

Little known fact about the old crash test dummy toys is that they're based on real human anatomy. If you remove one limb or the head then the whole thing loses structural integrity and bits spring off madly in all directions.

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"Yeah, the hatch hit her head so hard it clean ripped her head off the rest of her body."

and then (probably) sexually molested what was left.

because it's unlikely the poor woman died due to bad maintenance of the vessel.

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Or possibly she accidentally brutally cut her head off while combing her hair

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Re: Indeed

Next excuse: sawfish cut off her head and limbs.

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The hatch cut her head off?

Yes m'lud. And the force of this spun her so much she became wrapped entirely in a tarpaulin, where all this banging about made some nearby stones get all tangled up in ropes which wrapped themselves around her. Then she fell into the sea.

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Re: The hatch cut her head off?

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"The hatch cut her head off?

Yes m'lud. And the force of this spun her so much she became wrapped entirely in a tarpaulin, where all this banging about made some nearby stones get all tangled up in ropes which wrapped themselves around her. Then she fell into the sea."

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It was at this point, your honour, that her legs fell off.

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Black Knight Syndrome?

Your Honor, she kept saying it was only a flesh wound....

Lock this liar up for the rest of his life...

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Re: Black Knight Syndrome?

haha, brilliant!

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On a serious note

They have re-opened investigation of other mutilated bodies found in the region.

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Interesting but not directly linked

"The case has prompted investigators to reopen unsolved killings in Denmark, including the 1986 find of the dismembered remains of a 22-year-old Japanese tourist whose corpse was found in several plastic bags in Copenhagen harbor. Moeller Jensen stressed that it was standard procedure to look at so-called cold cases and there is no immediate link to Wall's killing."

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http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/danish-submarine-owner-faces-charge-womans-death-49412497

Madsen was fifteen years old when the Japanese tourist died.

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Re: Interesting but not directly linked

Well maybe they think it could be like The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo and Madsen's father killed in the past, and initiated his son into it.

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Re: fifteen years old

Doesn't rule him out either. :(

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Meh

Was she like an Action Damage toy? You know hit a button somewhere and all the limbs fly off.

I suspect quite soon we'll be seeing reports about Madsen having mental health issues and his excuses will get wilder and wilder and he gets painted into a corner.

I've been in disciplinary meeting with strange people like this who will continue to deny what they've done even when presented with conclusive proof. To a rational person (i.e. me) it seems completely crazy but they're in a different reality.

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If he has mental health issues and is found that he killed her, then he can be held indefinitely, if not then under the laws in Denmark he goes to jail for a relatively short time by British and certainly Merkin standards.

In short, it is not in his best interests to be found to have MH issues, OTH for the authorities it would allow the possibility of life behind bars where life means life.

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To a rational person (i.e. me) it seems completely crazy but they're in a different reality.

wrote 0laf, whilst sitting atop a throne made of human body parts.

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Hes

making it up as he goes along

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Re: Hes

You don't say?

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Holmes

Mr Jolly is all at sea.

Clearly this was an unfortunate series of events that could happen to anyone. Who here hasn't accidentally killed someone eh? That's what I thought.

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Yeah, but Madsen was supposed to take out Nicholas Parsons.

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+2 - as i can't add another - but glad you got the reference.

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What? Right out? Dorking?

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Alien

Dead Space

For some reason after reading that article, this game came to mind...

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Re: Dead Space

Dead Calm too.

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Yeah right

It's weird how after the third time you're found to be lying, people stop believing anything you say.

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Almost inclined to believe him

Of course you have to add that he panicked, realised he was responsible for her death even if it was accidental and decided to cover the whole thing up by mutilating the corpse.

So he becomes guilty of manslaughter by means of wilful negligence and defiling a corpse.

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Re: Almost inclined to believe him

Wanna buy a bridge?

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Re: Almost inclined to believe him

You actually manage to seem less credible than him. Well done.

Also note that I did say that his story results in him being guilty on all charges. Just due to being a crap sub captain rather than the next Jack the Ripper.

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@Downvoters

I don't blame you, Jack the Ripper captaining a submarine is too awesome to diss the way I did.

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Wrongly filed

You appear to have filed this in Bootnotes whereas clearly you meant to file it in DasBootnotes.

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Something stinks in the State of Denmark

"Yeah! The bang on the head from the hatch must have knocked it loose, that's why her head came off in the sea.

I'm not making this up you know? "

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"I lose my foothold and the hatch shuts," the captain told the court. "There was a pool of blood where she had landed. I had no contact with the body and didn't want a dead body in my submarine. I put a rope around her feet to drag her out of the hatch."

The hatch shuts killing her instantly and you then bury her at sea because you didn't want a body in your sub. Some time later the sub sinks.

I don't believe a word this word this man says.

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Obviously it sank because he opened a hatch; that was his biggest mistake.

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I believe his claim is that he panicked and sort of became suicidal.

I have no idea why he'd dump the body, but he apparently then sank the boat in some idiotic suicide attempt.

At least I think that's his version of events.

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"Obviously it sank because he opened a hatch; that was his biggest mistake."

After all, there is a reason subs don't have sliding glass doors.

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inconsistent

After initially claiming he had dropped Wall off at the port before the craft suffered a malfunction that caused it to sink.

no mention of the accident with the hatch at this point then

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Re: inconsistent

It was falsely reported by ElReg, and others I'm sure, that he changed his story a week later.

The story we're now hearing is actually the story he told the police and courts on the day he was found. It happened behind closed doors at the courts, so the only publicly known story was the initial one about dropping her off.

I commented this same fact on the relevant article:

https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/2/2017/08/22/private_sub_captain_says_reporter_died/#c_3268431

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To quote Blackadder the 3rd...

"...the Acting Returning Officer, Mr. E. Blackadder, of course. And we're all very grateful, indeed, that he stepped in at the last minute, when the previous Returning Officer accidentally brutally stabbed himself in the stomach while shaving."

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As excuses go I think this one is going to sink.

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She was a journo ...

... so she probably had a notepad. Thus it's feasible that she decapitated herself accidentally with a particularly severe paper cut whilst folding an accurate origami model of the sub. The resultant nervous tremors caused further paper cuts and removal of her limbs. He (Cap'n Sub Mariner) was so horrified that he opened the hatch to let said body parts out of the sub before he too experienced terminal flesh wounds ...

Before you say it's not possible - have a search on the inter-web for "I decapitated myself with a sheet of Basildon Bond" ... between "The witch turned me into a newt, my subsequent path to health" and "Cutting you toenails with a sythe, a unidexter's guide."

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Re: She was a journo ...

Perhaps she complained about the lack of headroom in the sub and he solved the problem by cutting off her head

(Originally used by one S.Baldrick to solve the problem of his mother's low ceiling)

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Unhappy

What a Sad Death for a Talented Woman

Even if she met her death by accident, why abuse her remains?

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Bah!

"I was just about to bury her at sea when, Whoops!, off fell her head. As I scrambled for it, her arms and legs fell off and tumbled overboard. I was so shocked I dropped the head in the sea. Then her legless, armless, headless body fell in. There was nothing more I could do so I buttoned up the Leaky Scow and sailed for home and a nice hot toddy. Sadly I was put so out of sorts by these events I neglected to close one or two hatches and the old girl sank."

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Not just her head and arms but her underwear as well

"Mr. Madsen found a rope, he said, and tied it to Ms. Wall’s legs, to pull her out through the hatch, in the process tearing off her pantyhose and her shoes. Asked to account for why her underwear and other clothing were missing, he had no explanation."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/world/europe/peter-madsen-kim-wall-murder-submarine-denmark.html

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how do you say

"bullsh*t" in Swedish? Because that's what is going on here.

His excuses are about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.....

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Re: how do you say

"Skitsnack".

HTH!

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