back to article HMS Queen Lizzie impugned by cheeky Scot's drone landing

An amateur photographer has reportedly landed his £475 drone aboard the largest warship ever built for the Royal Navy – without permission and completely unchallenged. The unnamed photographer gave an interview to local paper the Inverness Courier, detailing how he landed his drone aboard HMS Queen Elizabeth in spite of “ …

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Assuming it was armed...

What would they shoot it down with, exactly? The 20mm vulcan cannon? The 30mm autocannon? The gatling gun? Some poor matelot with the ship's SA80?

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Well one of the first three, the last one seems a tad optimistic...

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The only offensive method we have left is a sternly-worded rebuke. Sometimes it comes on HM Admiralty notepaper.

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Re: Assuming it was armed...

Guns vs racing drones at a shooting range - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq0oCM37oZA

It's funny watching the law enforcement guys bragging at the beginning about being so sure they're going to shoot down a drone, then they see how small & fast they are...

Best quote of the video is at the briefing from an FPV pilot: "I hope he's clear they have to shoot the drone not the pilot, that would be the easiest way to bring the drone down"

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jw@resthaven.org.uk

SA80? I imagine there is a development contract for a heavily modified brown bess musket, which is due to be ready in 2033 at a cost of 1 billion pounds. It will be then be found that the forged titanium ram rod is incompatible ...

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It wouldn't show up on Radar...

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What would they shoot it down with, exactly?

The US army is using Stinger missiles against UAVs. Good job they've got the budget because the cost is ~38k$ per shot.

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The MP7 carried by the Police mentioned in the article. If they'd been bothered which they clearly weren't.

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Re: Assuming it was armed...

The US army is using Stinger missiles against UAVs. Good job they've got the budget because the cost is ~38k$ per shot.

Cost aside, would Stinger or other MADPADs even be effective against a small drone? They are typically equipped with an IR or IR/UV seeker head; is the heat emission of a battery-powered motor or even a small internal-combustion engine really hign enough to get a lock?

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Re: Assuming it was armed...

A mahoosive fly swat?

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GPMG would be used I assume. They would be quite effective and use tracer to enable leading.

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"A mahoosive fly swat?"

Pictures Wile E. Coyote unpacking an Acme branded one...

It's just occurred to me that it's ages since I did any clay pigeon shooting.

A 12 bore shotgun would surely do the trick, but only at an uncomfortably short range if the drone is indeed armed.

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Nah - Tried 'n tested Maritime methods.

Cat O' Pult. Gives you 9 tries. Or so I'm told.

Thanks - I'm here all week.

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Re: Assuming it was armed...

is the heat emission of a battery-powered motor or even a small internal-combustion engine really hign enough to get a lock?

I don't know what a Stinger's fitted with and what its detection algorithm is, but IR cameras can easily discern a human body against cooler backgrounds. Electrical motors, never mind combustion engines, will be noticeably warmer.

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A mahoosive fly swat?

Well, as it was a Parrot you could lure it with a nice piece of cuttlefish, then you put four million volts through it.

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get a lock?

At supersonic velocity the minimum turning radius is hundreds of metres or more.

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We have an "air freshener" spray at home. I weighed the active bit at about 100gm. A face-full is not much fun. It could be equipped with pepper spray with very little effort.

I don't know how big a drone needs to be to carry a 100g payload, but not very big, anyway. A bunch of drones so equipped could take out the deck watch pretty quick, prior to a boarding party.

If the next James Bond film uses this plot, I want a percentage!

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Re: Assuming it was armed...

That'd just really piss off the guys on the top deck.

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Re: jw@resthaven.org.uk

At least the fekking magazine wont drop off when you run with it

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next up

The ineffectiveness of the RN's response aside, next up FPV RC owners complaining of draconian knee jerk registrations laws and over bearing restrictions on use.

At least they know one of those to blame

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Weaponised drones...

... looks like we do have something to fly from HMS DC QE after all. A swarm of grenade-toting drones or one F35B??

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I dunno about anyone else, but a quarter-of-a-million drones coming in in swarm would certainly put the shits up me...

The Perdix test swarm was only 103 drones, and the final "orbit" demonstration becomes even more disconcerting if you consider them either armed or programmable for kinetic strike...

https://youtu.be/OixSNQp0S_k

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> I dunno about anyone else, but a quarter-of-a-million drones coming in in swarm would certainly put the shits up me...

A quarter-million wasp-sized drones, linked to each other with software that knows how to swarm and armed with a 'sting' comprising a syringe of poison/sedative depending upon how nasty/nice you want to be, seems to me to be an inevitable future development in weaponry.

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I thought a 'weaponised drone' was just about any Tank Regiment type droning on for hours about his blasted Challenger 2 and how it can withstand xx blasts from an RPG.

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Swarm of wasp sized drones...

Did you borrow that idea from Black Mirror?

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T'internet of stings.

Be careful out there.

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Re: Weaponised drones...

See Michael Crichton's novel "Prey" (2006)...

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No, that's an Armour Veteran (Large Bore).

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I think Dune was there first with the assassin wasp drone idea? It's genuinely quite terrifying to see something like that proceed from a fantastical science fiction idea to practically a reality in my own lifetime…

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Chemicals would be most likely or maybe a 3 iodide.

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I think Dune was there first with the assassin wasp drone idea?

Try The Invincible by Stanislaw Lem. Originally published in 1964, it contains the idea of microscopic fighting machines controlled by a distributed AI and working in concert to defeat much more capable and nominally more intelligent opponents.

It still reads pretty well despite it age ...

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The biggest question about weaponised drones isn't how well they may or may not work, it's whether a defence contractor can make an obscene profit off them or not.

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"The Perdix test swarm was only 103 drones,"

Have these people never seen Screamers ffs?!

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Re: Weaponised drones - 1950 or earlier

Wasps as weapons (but no central control) is found in Ray Bradbury's story "Ylla" published in 1950. It was one of the Martian Chronicles collection. A Martian woman in a loveless marriage daydreams about the humans coming to explore Mars. When they arrive, her jealous husband kills them with a gun that fires wasps.

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>any Tank Regiment type

Ex-Regimentals are even less interesting.

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A threat?

"ISIS have a proven track record in Syria of weaponizing DJI's Phantom [drone] and its professional platform the Matrice 100 to drop grenades on troops, so a drone flying over the aircraft carrier without permission, as opposed to alongside, should be considered a potential threat,"

I apologise to Douglas Adams for this, but it has to be said/paraphrased...

Mr Dent, do you know how much damage the Aircraft carrier would suffer if you dropped a grenade on it?...

For the uninitiated, or those that suffered the more recent movie...

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Re: A threat?

Mr Dent, do you know how much damage the Aircraft carrier would suffer if you dropped a grenade on it?...

A fair bit, if this is a hafnium nuclear-isomer hand grenade. Of course, those are even more imaginary than the F-35Bs QE is supposed to eventually host ...

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Re: A threat?

Just drop a load of sand taken from St Bees beach near sellafield. Probably be enough to cause an NBC incident....

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Re: A threat?

Or one of Jay Score's pocket A-bombs... ("Men, Martians and machines", Eric Frank Russell).

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Re: A threat?

The W54 used in the M-388 "Davy Crockett" weighed in at 23 kg. And that was 1950ies technology (W54s were manufactured from 1961 until early 1962, around 400 of them).

Just sayin'.

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Re: A threat?

"Men, Martians and machines", Eric Frank Russell

Also "Wasp" by said gentleman - the idea that a large and complex war can be derailed by one person in the right place at the right time.

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Not a lot they can do to defend against this unless they have some sort of method of knocking them out of the sky. Maybe there will be a whole new job created to throw galley pies at drones?

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There are a few devices out there that can knock drones out of the sky, but most are in the experimental phase or just coming to commercialisation (my firm is one of those releasing a product). Still a long time before they become ubiquitous though as they are not exactly cheap units at the moment.

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I expect they're due to be fitted with something a tad more powerful than cream pies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_CIWS

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"There are a few devices out there that can knock drones out of the sky"

Shotgun? Assuming its low enough . . Works for ducks

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"to defend against this"

let's see:

12 bore shotgun (as already stated by others)

largish fly swatter

trained eagle

or if you just INSIST on something techy: directional RF jammer and/or MASER

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There are a few devices out there that can knock drones out of the sky, but most are in the experimental phase or just coming to commercialisation (my firm is one of those releasing a product). Still a long time before they become ubiquitous though as they are not exactly cheap units at the moment.

Only a lack of personnel on deck saved the drone.

I find it hard to believe that the vessel was unequipped with this type of anti-drone weapon. ☺

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Well the title says it all. It's Argentinian, I doubt they'll sell or licence their tech to us.

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Re: "to defend against this"

I see your 12 bore shotgun and raise you the 4 bore. They weren't uncommon when I was a lad and though you need to be a big chap to handle the recoil they do significantly more damage at greater range with a suitable load.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HssPND1gVOw

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"or if you just INSIST on something techy: directional RF jammer and/or MASER"

What frequencies do these things work on?

This appeals to the latent BOFH in me.

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