back to article 70% of Windows 10 users are totally happy with our big telemetry slurp, beams Microsoft

Microsoft claims seven out of ten Windows 10 users are happy with Redmond gulping loads of telemetry from their computers – which isn't that astounding when you realize it's a default option. In other words, 30 per cent of people have found the switch to turn it off, and the rest haven't, don't realize it's there, or are …

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  1. J J Carter Silver badge
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    Yes!

    Another two-minute hate on MSFT! You are spoiling us Mr El Reg.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Yes!

      I think it will be rather longer than 2 minutes.

      1. eldakka Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Yes!

        I think it will be rather longer than 2 minutes.
        In my case it's been over 30 years now.

    2. Avatar of They Silver badge
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      Re: Yes!

      Well they are shit and carry out bad practices, so only fair.

    3. JLV Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: Yes!

      Another _brilliant_ rebuttal by JJC that will do much to further his, and Win 10's, credibility.

      Soooo articulate n insightful.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Just one question Microsoft...

      How the fcuk can you have a "Privacy portal" that requires access via the web, is stored on Microsoft servers, accessed via a "linked" Microsoft Account to change/view it's settings. Can't people see there is a second way of indirectly routing grey data here, back to Microsoft.

      Are the UK regulators ICO just plain stupid, or being paid to be plain stupid?

      1. RedCardinal

        Re: Just one question Microsoft...

        >>Are the UK regulators ICO just plain stupid, or being paid to be plain stupid?

        The UK privacy regulator has always been feeble and showed little interest in actually protecting individual privacy.

  2. roknich

    No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

    The first thing I did with my ASUS laptop - factory loaded with WIN 10 - was to format, wipe, and repartition the hard drive. Debian 9.1 works just fine - I send no data to anyone unless I explicitly decide to, and there is no fee or registration requirement.

    Anyone who bows to the illegal monopoly is a fool, and makes the world less safe for us all.

    David Roknich

    "The future of radio belongs to us"

    Indyradio.info

    1. RyokuMas Silver badge
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      Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

      "Anyone who bows to the illegal monopoly is a fool, and makes the world less safe for us all."

      Hear, hear! Too bad that so many seem to be so blinkered that they can only see one monopoly...

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

        "Too bad that so many seem to be so blinkered that they can only see one monopoly."

        Are you implying multiple monopolies?

        ROFLMAO

      2. LeeE Silver badge

        "they can only see one monopoly..."

        See title - any further comment needed?

    2. Tigra 07 Silver badge

      Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

      This likely makes little difference to them since you still paid for a Windows licence.

      Should have gone to System76

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

        "Should have gone to System76"

        For those of us in the UK this seems rather a long way to go.

        1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

          Re: "Should have gone to System76"

          UK options for Linux machines are Entroware (www.entroware.com - offer Ubuntu /MATE, for example, pre-installed) and Novatech (www.novatech.co.uk - offer OS-free laptops).

          1. Tom Paine Silver badge

            Re: "Should have gone to System76"

            ...or Dell or HP, like the one I have.

        2. Tigra 07 Silver badge

          Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

          I'm in England and I bought from pcspecialist.co.uk and installed Ubuntu.

          System76 is apparently very good, though the prices are eye watering

          1. Chemist

            Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

            "I'm in England and I bought from pcspecialist.co.uk and installed Ubuntu."

            I'm typing this on one of their i7 laptops - installed OpenSUSE 13.2 about 3 years ago with no issues.

            Just ordered a simpler machine from nimbusoft - https://nimbusoft.com/ which comes with a choice of installed Linux - we'll see what they are like.

      2. picturethis
        Childcatcher

        Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

        "This likely makes little difference to them since you still paid for a Windows licence."

        I'm not sure that I agree with this where Windows 10 is concerned.. MS has made no secret that they want to move to the OS as a service and along with that Office. The service model requires renewable subscriptions to supply revenue to MS.

        If the user removes windows 10 and replaces it with something else, then MS loses the projected revenue from the services over the life of the product. This cost will be significantly more over the life of the product than it was with previous versions of windows products, where the initial purchase price was all the MS received. - MS is moving from product space to services company.

        So in the long run, I think it does matter to MS and people should remove Windows 10, if one has to get it in the first place. The cost savings over the long run will be significant - not to mention less privacy issues with alternatives.

        1. shade82000

          Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

          If they want to use the OS as a data collecting and advertising platform then they should make the OS free. That's the way it happens in most other areas but no, not MS. They want to charge you for the OS, collect all sorts of data about your usage and then use it to push targeted ads at you amongst other things.

          Free OS with advertising and telemetry, or a paid for OS with all the crap removed.

          1. DougS Silver badge

            Charging for the OS versus selling your personal info

            Why choose one strategy when you can have them both? That's the advantage of having a near monopoly in the PC OS market, you don't have to worry about competition. They even have a way to solve the problem of the PC's lengthening replacement cycle by making it subscription based.

            That way they can move to charging $0 for the OS up front to better compete in case Chrome OS ever gets any traction at all, while insuring they make a lot more money if someone keeps running that PC for 10+ years as is becoming all too common for their liking these days.

            That's what happens when Google catches them flat footed on search, something they didn't think was important until Google showed them how much money that could make off the data collection and advertising, which they tried too late to ape. And when Apple catches them flat footed by showing them how to make smartphones a mass market product everyone wants, instead of being limited to geeks and PHBs like they were in the Windows Mobile days.

        2. TheVogon Silver badge

          Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

          "MS has made no secret that they want to move to the OS as a service"

          There will likely always be a free or minimal cost version though where they make money from the Windows Store.

          People seem to view "Windows as a service" as a bad thing, but imo It's actually a better model for consumers to pay via a rental model, rather than pay a lump of cash up front for each Windows version. Stop using Windows? Sell your PC? You stop paying Microsoft....your choice. So surely it's ideal for those that wish to use Linux instead?

          1. Updraft102 Silver badge

            Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

            "People seem to view "Windows as a service" as a bad thing, but imo It's actually a better model for consumers to pay via a rental model, rather than pay a lump of cash up front for each Windows version."

            Well, that would be how it is if "Windows as a service" were actually a service, but for consumers, it's not, and MS has claimed that it never will be for consumers (though we know how reliable Microsoft's promises can be). Even though consumers have been told for two years that Windows is now a service, It's still a pay-once, use-forever deal, only now Microsoft uses the consumer as a beta tester, releasing largely untested updates twice a year to the consumer market, using the forced update system to ensure that the consumers get the version MS wants them to test, and using the non-optional telemetry to collect the testing data from the user.

            MS sets the parameters for the beta testing by altering settings as it sees fit, installing whatever drivers it wants, and installing or removing whatever software it wishes. You're a beta tester, home user; did you really expect a full-featured, unrestricted, tested product to be released under the new beta program? Did you forget about your primary purpose, your obligation to provide Microsoft with the test data they require?

            None of that implies that Windows is now a service to the consumer. None of that even touches on what defines "software as a service." The subscription model of which you type is the real definition of "software as a service," and maybe MS is trying to get there in the consumer market despite their protestations, but until they do, it's still a product, same as it always was... it's just a really crappy one now.

            Perhaps what MS means by "Windows as a service" is that a service is being provided by the end users to Microsoft. Then it makes sense. It makes a lot of sense.

            1. TheVogon Silver badge

              Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

              "But for consumers it's not

              Not as yet. Obviously my comment was referring to a future rental only model. Which as per my comment is probably a good thing for Linux fans as it would potentially remove any upfront OS costs from hardware, whilst still letting manufacturers ship an installed OS with crapware that subsidises the hardware costs...

          2. roknich

            Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

            Then you can be a regular trainer for their AI and hand over all of your personal and biological data to Microsoft every time you touch your machine. Great idea!

        3. Mark 85 Silver badge

          Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

          MS is moving from product space to services company.

          Some call it "services"... I call it blackmail: "Pay up or your data goes away.". along with: "Nice bunch of applications you have there... pity if they won't work anymore."

          1. TheVogon Silver badge

            Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

            "I call it blackmail

            That's not the model they use. If your windows is unlicensed it switches to annoy the hell out of you mode but you can still access your data. Ditto cloud storage switches to read only if you are over your limit....

        4. Kev99 Bronze badge

          Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

          You mean you're supposed to pay for Windows 10? Funny, I got my copy free simply by saying I needed special adaptive software for my disability. My disability? I'm a left-handed, over six feet tall, Gaelo-German protestant, pragmatic to liberal, compassionate married male living in the USA. Oh, I'm also legally blind in one eye.

          1. eldakka Silver badge
            Coat

            Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

            Hmm, good idea.

            Wonder what disability support I can get for being ginger, I imagine it's pretty good.

          2. David Nash Silver badge

            Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

            "Oh, I'm also legally blind in one eye."

            Is it possible to be Illegally blind?

          3. TheVogon Silver badge

            Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

            "I got my copy free."

            You got a free upgrade to an already licenced OS, so you paid originally. I would say anyone that hasn't upgraded probably qualifies as you must have been blind to miss all the pop ups they inflicted on you....

        5. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

          "MS has made no secret that they want to move to the OS as a service "

          They are already heading that way with Windows 10 S. Which amusingly completely screws over Google.

          With Windows 10S, you can only install apps from the Windows Store, and one of the requirements for that is that you must use Microsoft's HTML and JavaScript engines. So no Chrome!

        6. roknich

          Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

          You won! Thanks for sharing the clue only you seem to have. I thought everyone knew about Microsoft subscription plans. They're trying to seed copies of Virus10 on as many machines as possible and deserve a stinging rebuke before the harvest begins.

          Why hand over your computer and your personal data to the thieves at Microsoft?

    3. Just Enough

      Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

      Where would the comments section on a Windows news story be without someone taking the time to tell everyone that they use Linux? It's traditional.

      Well done. Have a biscuit.

      1. Not That Andrew

        Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

        At least it was Debian not that flavour of the month distro, whatever it's called.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

          "not that flavour of the month distro, whatever it's called."

          Well I'm guessing the version of Ubuntu in the Windows 10 Store is now the worlds most popular desktop Linux version....

          1. joed Silver badge

            Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

            Why Linux machines are tiny percentage of PCs, the percentage of Windows user that stumbled (likely by mistake or MS coercion) into the Store is just as small. Not all of these lost souls "bought" Linux (to register in statistics) - it's simply unlikely that anyone that cared for Linux went for the trouble of getting Windows PC, signing up for MS account and shopping at their dingy Store.

        2. Tim99 Silver badge
          Linux

          Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

          @Not That Andrew

          "At least it was DebianDevuan not that flavour of the month distro, whatever it's called."

          FTFY: Debian == Systemd

      2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

        "Where would the comments section on a Windows news story be without someone taking the time to tell everyone that they use Linux?"

        Don't you find it just a touch ironic that Microsoft not only collect money for the licence want ongoing payments in data collection and displaying advertising whilst Linux distros don't demand either and yet it's the latter you implicitly criticise?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

          "...Linux distros don't demand either and yet it's the latter you implicitly criticise?"

          No he didn't. You might want to re-read his comment. He didn't criticise Linux.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

          Its hardly implicitly criticising

          more the inevitable wittering on of the penguinistas

          ITS SO TEDIOUS

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

      "The first thing I did with my ASUS laptop - factory loaded with WIN 10 - was to format, wipe, and repartition the hard drive"

      Many of us want to run all the latest games and / or an Office suite that actually works though so Windows 10 is then a requirement.

      1. j2f8j8j2fj

        Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

        "Many of us want to run all the latest games and / or an Office suite that actually works though so Windows 10 is then a requirement."

        Things that run on Windows 7....

        Other than running them elsewhere, vote with your money. Stop buying games until they release them for Linux. I absolutely will not buy any game that requires Windows 10. I don't care how good people insist the game might be, no game is worth installing Windows 10.

    5. FuzzyWuzzys Silver badge

      Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

      I'd love to but as a semi-pro photographer I need Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom with the now unsupported Nik filters. When you get those running perfectly on Linux Mint, I'm all ears. And no, don't even mention GIMP. Yes, it's bloody good but it won't cut it with what I need to do. So Windows or Mac is my only choice for that stuff. My dayjob, I'm more than happy to use my Linux Mint box.

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      2. Chemist

        Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

        "I'd love to but as a semi-pro photographer I need Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom with the now unsupported Nik filters."

        Darktable - www.darktable.org for Linux & Mac

        I've used it for years for my Canon 550D & 6D, my cousin, a retired industrial photographer, is very impressed and so is his son ( a very well-known sports photographer)

        RawTherapee also gets good reviews although I've not used it personally.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          'Darktable'...

          You will lose all processing done in Lightroom, it won't run the plug-ins, the camera and lenses profiles are made by who knows whom.

          Plus my hardware calibrated monitors don't support Linux, nor my photo printers have drivers for Linux. Again, drivers made by who knows whom are a no-no for high quality printing.

          If you don't like Windows 10, macOS is the true alternative. All the tools are available, and fully supported. No need to play with an house of cards of tools with very different degrees of quality, if available.

          I guess if MS stubbornly keeps on slurping, Apple will see more and more people turning to its products again, as soon it understands it needs very good hardware beyond the iPhone.

          1. fidodogbreath Silver badge

            Re: 'Darktable'...

            I guess if MS stubbornly keeps on slurping, Apple will see more and more people turning to its products again

            I did, at least partially. I just got sick of the amount of time and effort I spent trying to protect my privacy from my computer and my phone.

            How many times have we heard: "if you're not paying for it, you are the product?" Windows and Android are not free, but they are subsidized by ad revenues and user-data collection. I came to view the "Apple tax" as declining that subsidy -- essentially, paying extra for a modicum of control over my personal data.

            1. DougS Silver badge

              @fidodogbreath - "Windows and Android are not free"

              Windows isn't, but Android is. You pay for the Android phone, but you don't pay for Android and neither does the OEM. At least not in dollars - as you point out, you are paying for it with your personal data.

              If Windows really goes to a subscription model then I wouldn't be surprised to see it become free as well. Free to acquire, but you have to pay a yearly fee to keep it running (or more likely, to prevent pissing off customers, if you don't pay still run in some sort of degraded fashion that disables some functionality or limits performance)

        2. LeedsMonkey

          Re: No need to change the default settings! Erase all of WIN 10

          My only potential issue with darktable is printing. I've not had a chance to test the print module, but would be interested to see how effective it is.

      3. John Miles

        Re: I need Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom

        I am not sure there is anything other than GIMP to replace Photoshop atm. - but there are FOSS alternatives worth looking at, a place to start looking is FOSSPhotography on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/FOSSPhotography/

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