back to article Snopes.com asks for bailout amid dispute over who runs the site and collects ad dollars

Fact-checking web site Snopes.com says it is “in danger of shuttering” due to a commercial dispute that has starved it of revenue. A new savesnopes site says Snopes is in dispute with a company that “will not relinquish the site’s hosting to our control, so we cannot modify the site, develop it, or — most crucially — place …

Fact checked?

Is this true? Has anybody checked on Snopes? Oh wait...

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'Detect fact news'

Detect when the sub-editor needs refilling with coffee :)

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Re: 'Detect fact news'

Depends how you look at it. With so much fake news around perhaps 'detecting fact news' is the process of picking out the things which are true?

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Snopes is not much more than a popular basement blog run by a very opinionated (ex) married couple. Half the time they use Wikipedia for reference, and on political 'facts' they just sway towards popular media opinion. Seems about right that either facebook or google should bail them out.

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When the Overton window is so hard to the right you see liberal bias in a bunch of apolitical internet myths.

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Funny part is, both the husband and wife that started it have been registered republicans for decades.

The ultra right wing just labels anything that doesn't fit their narrative as "liberal bias", because facts scare them.

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"The ultra right wing just labels anything that doesn't fit their narrative as "liberal bias", because facts scare them."

Fair enough. Also, the ultra left wing just labels anything that doesn't fit their narrative as "racism" (and other pejorative insults), because facts scare them. You have no moral high ground there.

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Reality has a well known liberal bias.

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"You have no moral high ground there."

Why? Both you and he have pointed out the blindness of ultra left|right but the moral high-ground is somewhere in between unless you think there's only a vacuum between the two extremes.

Mind you, having seen the ire generated in these forums when US politics comes into play, many would be forgiven for assuming that there is only ultra left|right with nothing between.

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>You have no moral high ground there.

Oh, I'm pretty sure we do. AC.

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Yes, leftists are always certain they're the good guys. Around a hundred million victims could attest to that, if they weren't dead.

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You sure you want me to count the right wing body count?

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Minor difference being that the extreme right wing currently controls the presidency, both houses of congress, and the supreme court of the USA (along with a significant chunk of the media), whereas the extreme left wing is confined to a few coffee houses in coastal cities and small university towns and has absolutely no influence on the country.

Nice try with the "both sides" argument, though

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Katie,

Presumably you also "believe" the KKK is a "libtard" organisation and GW Bush was a leftie communist Marxist?

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Left and right have both historically carried out heinous acts. I'm sure if you did a body count, you could make one better or worse than the other, but it's really irrelevant. 100 million would be a drastically low count for either 'side'.

The point is that extremism in either direction is bad. You end up with a Hitler or Pol Pot or Stalin or Franco. What about Saddam Hussein? Was he left or right? What about Gadaffi? Again, left or right? The issue is extremism of any nature. Anybody who associates themselves with 'left' or 'right' is deluded. Extreme left isn't necessarily good and extreme right necessarily bad.

Both left and right have good and bad points. Look at the Soviet Union from its inception to its demise. 100 million would probably be the low side for their body count (either active killing or death by consequence), yet people think extreme left is good? Yes, the same's true for the right.

It's time people stopped being rabidly left or right and concentrated on trying to help everyone. Something neither extreme left or right do. Even extreme left is solely concerned with helping yourself to everything. Only have to look at any Socialist or Communist state, where there are still rich and poor.

Not saying extreme right is any better. That's the problem with extremes......

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Whats left out

Hey John,

Notice elreg left out the fact that the guy begging for money got caught with his slong in a strange pocket. Hence the divorce! And apparently the ex-wife has the last laugh! But, the leftist don't want you to know about their moral failings, do they? After all, elreg says, who are we to judge?

Huh? Facts in evidence, conveniently left out. So, it's doubtful the big techies want to be associated with this scandal.

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Holmes

Who watches the watchmen?

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Dunno, coastguard?

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The watchmen watchers.

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Boffin

The watchmenwatchmen.

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And there lies the problem. Beware of anyone who seeks to make themselves the source of all truth or fact. Some may be genuine, but many (most) are not.

After all, deciding what is 'fact' or 'fake' is effectively controlling the media message.

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The Guarding Dark

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The Guarding Dark

His Grace, His Excellency, The Duke of Ankh; Commander Sir Samuel Vimes

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Re: The Guarding Dark

His Grace, His Excellency, The Duke of Ankh; Commander Sir Samuel Vimes

You forgot "Blackboard Monitor".

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"And there lies the problem. Beware of anyone who seeks to make themselves the source of all truth or fact. Some may be genuine, but many (most) are not.

After all, deciding what is 'fact' or 'fake' is effectively controlling the media message."

And don't forget that history is written by the victors.

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Re: The Guarding Dark

I didn't want to upset the dwarves.

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Sorry, in these enlightened times, it's the Watchwomenwatchmen.

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@wolfetone.

Indeed it is. I'm sure if people read up on some of the 'facts' from history, they'll find they aren't so factual after all. Also, there's the hypocracy of which side you're on. How many times have the victors been lauded for something they did, only for the loosers to be abused for doing exactly the same thing. This is the problem with 'fact' and if anyone thinks any organisation can ever properly fact check anything, they're seriously deluded.

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"The Guarding Dark"

Imagine how strong I must be.

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I dont think snopes ever claimed to be some kind of Bullshit detector for any information you happen to have come across , including the "news" being spewed from countless agencies across the planet.

They are about Urban myths , not the latest Fake-news-trump-twitter squabble

They do as much research as possible and document sources etc . What more do you want?

Plus some facts are, in fact , facts that are demonstrably true and no amount of "spin" will make them change to what you want them to be . Like the value of Pi for instance.

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@GrumpenKraut

"The watchmenwatchmen."

The WatchwatchmenMen?

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Facts are... hard

"Plus some facts are, in fact , facts that are demonstrably true and no amount of "spin" will make them change to what you want them to be . Like the value of Pi for instance."

That is an interesting example. The last time I looked, pi was calculated to about a dozen trillion decimal digits. So, if I hand you a value for pi with 100 trillion digits, and it matches the known first dozen trillion digits, is it fact? You might be able to verify it, but then I come back with another hundred trillion digits. It is inherently faster to make up digits than it is to calculate pi, so I will win this "race" until my credibility is exhausted.

I'm not trying to argue that there aren't facts -- I agree that facts are demonstrably true. We just get in trouble because sometimes the demonstrations require more time, effort, and energy than anyone is willing to put into the task.

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watchymcwatchface

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This war hasn't been won yet.

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Re: Facts are... hard

"That is an interesting example. The last time I looked, pi was calculated to about a dozen trillion decimal digits. So, if I hand you a value for pi with 100 trillion digits, and it matches the known first dozen trillion digits, is it fact?"

If you hand me a value for pi that is 100 trillion digits long I tell you you are wrong. I don't need to know what those numbers are, because I know, for a fact, that the decimal expansion of pi is infinite and non-repeating.

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I'm honestly trying to figure out whether "hypocracy" is the rule of the lowly commoners, the rule of the mole people or the rule of medical doctors but all the ROFLOLing kinda makes it hard to reach a conclusion...

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GCHQ?

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Re: @GrumpenKraut

How much watch?

Eight watch.

Oh, such much watch!

(from memory, corrections are welcome); watchbro --------->

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Re: Facts are... hard

@DavCrav; That's being pedantic; I think it would be clearly understood in this context that the value was intended to be accurate *to the number of digits given*.

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my bad

Me: I dont think snopes ever claimed to be some kind of Bullshit detector for any information you happen to have come across , including the "news" being spewed from countless agencies across the planet.

I take that back. Ive just visited the site for the first time in a few years.

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Re: Facts are... hard

well , if we can detect wether news is fake or not to an accuracy of "a dozen trillion decimal digits", thats probably good enough for me, I dont need the hundred trillion.

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deciding what is 'fact' or 'fake'

Have you ever read Snopes? Their articles explain their reasoning, provide sources, and evaluate the extent and validity of their assessment. It's not just the headline "True/False" gif.

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Who watches the watchmen?

Watcher McWatcherFace.

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"Also, there's the hypocracy of which side you're on."

You mean like how the American colonial rebellion is seen by some extremists as a "revolution"?

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Re: Facts are... hard

"because I know, for a fact, that the decimal expansion of pi is infinite and non-repeating."

Prove it!

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The Watchwatchmenmen.

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Re: Facts are... hard

Any repeating decimal can be expressed as a/b, i.e. is rational. The others are irrational. Lambert proved that pi was irrational 250ish years ago.

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Not me, I hated that movie.

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@John Brown (no body).

"You mean like how the American colonial rebellion is seen by some extremists as a "revolution"?"

At least one person got it. Yes, depending on which side you're on, facts or your interpretation of events can be different. Doesn't make either right or wrong, just different. So, where's the 'fact' there?

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Re: Facts are... hard

""because I know, for a fact, that the decimal expansion of pi is infinite and non-repeating."

Prove it!"

I'm a professional mathematician, so that's not that hard, really. More difficult: is pi a normal number?

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