There goes the last Microsoft programme (apart from the actual windows OS) that I use. Really useful when you want to crop, resize and change format of an image. Nothing I can't do in the Gimp but simpler and quicker with Paint.
Satya Nadella had us all fooled but good with his kinder, gentler, people-empowering Microsoft act. But now we can see the company's reverted to type by threatening to kill venerable graphics app Paint after the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update. A new list of “Features that are removed or deprecated in Windows 10 Fall Creators …
Paint is exactly the kind of graphics app I use because i'm crap at art, but to be able to quickly draw a diagram (as I did last week to explain the difference between parallel and serial battery connections) that was crude but illustrated the point perfectly.
Try doing that in photoshop.
Ditto with windows movie maker.
I bet paint is about 20 meg, FFS MS, just keep it.
For shits and giggles if *nothing* else.
"On Win XP it's under 400Kb"
AND it WORKS BETTER because there's no GOSH DARNED FORNICATING FECAL-FACED DUCK-COITUS PILE OF EXCREMENT RIBBON BAR on it!!!
I was _VERY_ disappointed with Paint in Win 7. I stopped using it.
Watch Micro-shaft make it a UWP "the Store" "CRapp" and include ADS in it.
snipping tool is what you need for taking screenshots. It's there on all supported versions of windows. It has built in tools for drawing on the screenshots. The newest versions added delayed activation so you can capture tooltips or menus in your screenshots, and lasso selection for ... not sure I've never wanted a badly hand drawn circular snapshot.
Actually, the snipping tool isn't "there on all supported versions". It's in Windows 7-10, sure, but not in Windows Server versions.
What I use for taking screenshots is Greenshot. (getgreenshot.org), which beats crap out of the Snipping Tool anyway - the editing tools are both easier to use and more powerful.
But the point is, neither of these things is guaranteed to be available on every machine. Paint - currently - is.
"but often I need to paint out personal information from inside the image too "
Use snip then, it has tools specifically for this scenario. In fact, I've not seen a single example in this thread where functionality isn't already better elsewhere. Perhaps Microsoft need to run an educational campagne. Maybe this is that campagne...
Re: Kubla Cant
In less time than it took you to enter your ridicule, you could have Google the answer.
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Start-Run MSPAINT (etc
That was about the first thing I liked about macOS: no need to have a paint program in between.
That said, in the days I still used Windows I used the fact that the system had to be polluted with .NET anyway to my advantage and installed paint.net - MUCH better.
But yes, there goes another one. First EDLIN, now this..
Paint is great for putting red circles around whatever you need to highlight though, not just cropping. It was guaranteed to be on all machines too.
Sure paint.net is a good tool but when you are uaing machines that are locked down and cant install 3rd party software then paint will do.
"...I can't believe anyone spent time creating that, but vive la differance, I guess..."
I can. If you take users of MS Office now - ones that have used it for the last decade (or longer in many cases) and plump any version prior to 2007 in front of them and they would ask where anything was.
I've tried it.
Other comments along the lines of being ugly are also mentioned.
If you want LibreOffice to really be taken up then it has to be compatible with* and even mirror newer versions of MS Office.
*Yeah I know...even MS can't guarantee compatibility at times.
> For shits and giggles if *nothing* else.
Sure you can use snipping tool for screenshots. Gimp is great but hardly opens quickly and isn't necessarily on every machine you find yourself in front of. Sure Irfanview is the Notepad++ of graphics tools, but seriously, why not keep it around paint? I don't think anyone wants new features in it. Just let it live out it's days.
Next they'll be pulling calc.exe
Actually I've just looked it up, and for some reason I cannot fathom it's around 6.5 Megabytes of code!
I mean, yes, it's got some new feature that Paint on real Windows (i.e. Windows 3.x) didn't have, but I doubt the PNG and JPEG code takes up 6.4 Megabytes.
Edit: That's on Windows 7.
"I suspect 6MB is static linking to relatively recent MFC, while retaining all the symbols required to make the ribbon work."
I've noticed that MFC for DevStudio 2010 is WAY PIGGY compared to what it was for DevStudio '98 and I have yet to figure out why, or what benefits you actually get. That's with all of the ".Not" crap NOT linked up, and all of that. I think Micro-shaft intentionally polluted it with worthless GARBAGE and as such, it's becoming excess poundage to lug around.
I suspect 6MB is static linking to relatively recent MFC...
Could be that, but part of it too will be down to the Visual Studio linker padding executables out quite a bit to optimise load times. It's been doing this since the earliest .net versions.
The size of Paint.exe in Windows 10 is 6,726,656 bytes, but only uses 3,579,904 bytes of disk space, which in interesting because none of the containing folders (Windows and System32) have compression enabled according to Windows Explorer. Clearly there's something going on here behind the scenes.
"Paint is exactly the kind of graphics app I use because i'm crap at art, but to be able to quickly draw a diagram (as I did last week to explain the difference between parallel and serial battery connections) that was crude but illustrated the point perfectly.
Try doing that in photoshop.
Ditto with windows movie maker.
I bet paint is about 20 meg, FFS MS, just keep it."
^ Absolutely this. It's a straightforward and easy to use image editor and this decision is bonkers. The email addresses for the MS top dogs (see CEO Email) are out there so let them know what you think before it's too late.
"^ Absolutely this. It's a straightforward and easy to use image editor and this decision is bonkers."
You have an implicit assumption. That because Paint is of benefit to people like us who treat it like part of the operating system for all sorts of useful things that this is something Microsoft would want.
1. So what are Microsoft getting out of this by indicating that they are removing it?
2. Do they in fact want to remove it or just create a reaction?
3. By removing a tool we use Microsoft make old time users less effective, is this what they want?
If you look at what Microsoft and Apple are doing with computers it's as if they want to either cripple the machines or cripple the people who have got fairly good at using them. These wounds won't affect people who are totally clueless nor people who are super smart who can do anything and everything on a computer. It just affects normal people with hard won computer competency.
Is there not a way to grab the program itself and re-install it post-update?
Deprecated doesn't mean dead.. QuickTime7.6.6 has been deprecated since Snow Leopard in favor of QuickTimeX and I use the former *to this day* with the Perian codec pack installed, even under the High Sierra beta - it's my go to for anything not h265.
No reason to panic at all. Just copy good old mspaint.exe, back it up to extra safe (encrypt the file in case MS liked to pull fast one) and keep using it. It does not depend on any external files (it works by itself in WinPE). Besides this there's already Internet community repackaging Windows accessories for user not keen on using blocky substitutes.
One should not cave in to MS force feeding us diet of crApps.
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