Abolish the TV tax. Problem solved.
Nearly three-quarters of convicted TV Licence non-payers are women
Nearly three-quarters of TV Licensing criminal convictions in the UK last year were secured against women, according to data gathered by an anti-Telly Tax campaigner. Of the 184,595 people across the UK charged with non-payment of the TV Licence by Capita TV Licensing, 21,300 were found not guilty – and 90 people were jailed …
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Monday 17th July 2017 11:51 GMT Martin Summers
No because the BBC still do things well and are making in-roads to slimming down, no commercials is also not to be sniffed at. Once the licence fee is gone and the BBC carry adverts it is more than likely gone for good and the BBC will be no better than any broadcaster which could then cause its complete demise. Not a light or easy decision to make.
There is an argument for the BBC to encrypt and only licence fee payers can access the TV content. This would take years for the filter through of the new capable hardware to reach people unless they went all out and forced people to change their hardware. Can you imagine that?!.
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Monday 17th July 2017 12:24 GMT Anonymous Coward
>This would take years for the filter through of the new capable hardware to reach people unless they went all out and forced people to change their hardware.
No it won't the technology is already there in freeview receivers, virgin media boxes and satellite boxes. What scares the BBC is that very few would actively subscribe.
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Monday 17th July 2017 12:32 GMT Martin Summers
"No it won't the technology is already there in freeview receivers, virgin media boxes and satellite boxes. What scares the BBC is that very few would actively subscribe."
I don't recall seeing a conditional access module in every receiver or TV I've come across and there isn't one in my Freesat box either. If the technology was there in the boxes to go cardless then why do Sky bother sending them out?
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Tuesday 18th July 2017 14:02 GMT Roland6
Re: VuTV
"VuTV will be closing on Thursday 22 October 2015.
[https://twitter.com/VuTV ]
From the information on the web, the VuTV IPTV gismo only worked with a limited number of Freeview HD devices. But you are correct the notable features of this gizmo was the attempt to plug it into the Freeview box rather than the TV and use the Freeview box's remote to navigate the IPTV channels within Freeview channel 238.
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Monday 17th July 2017 21:38 GMT d3vy
"No it won't the technology is already there in freeview receivers, virgin media boxes and satellite boxes. What scares the BBC is that very few would actively subscribe."
Good job that the BBC content is only delivered via TV isnt it... Imagine if they had a stack of FM radio stations* and everyone had an FM radio in their car THAT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE - good job thats not reality isnt it?...
* For some reason everyone forgets about the radio when discussing the TV Licence....
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Monday 17th July 2017 12:40 GMT macjules
An old and redundant argument .. a bit like the BBC.
1) Name something that the BBC still does well. Their commentary on Wimbledon this year was truly atrocious - I thought that some of the commenters were perhaps on hard drugs.
2) No, they are not 'making in-roads to slimming down', that is unless 'slimming down' means increasing their management spending while not addressing waste and unused resources.
3) In this age of record and watch later, adverts are something that can be bypassed or easily skipped.
There are some things that the BBC does do really well, such as Radio 4, wildlife documentaries, period drama or occasionally sports coverage. Sadly those do not represent enough of the huge "trebles all round" that the monolith spends.
Sorry, but the BBC is now an anachronism.
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Monday 17th July 2017 12:48 GMT Haku
Can you imagine a programme like Watchdog on a paid-for-by-adverts tv channel?
It would be muzzled so heavily it couldn't breathe properly, producers would be told that certain topics cannot be covered, because companies that pay their bills through advertisments would not want their products being the focus of the programme.
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Monday 17th July 2017 15:56 GMT Anonymous Coward
Can you imagine a programme like Watchdog on a paid-for-by-adverts tv channel?
Why would I want to imagine a programme like Watchdog on any channel? Lightweight tripe focused on minor consumer woes. The BBC cancelled all real investigative journalism after they shat their own pants over the Gilligan episode, and haven't done anything decent since.
If they won't do proper news, they should hand the job over to somebody who will.
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Monday 17th July 2017 20:57 GMT Anonymous Coward
Watchdog? Meh. How about real news? Granada told the bloke who created 'World in Action' to cause as much trouble for those at the top as he could. Jonathan Aitken went to jail thanks to World in Action. 'This Week' from Thames shook them as well with 'Death on the Rock'. I'm nostalgic for the good old days of ITV (back in the days it was a federation of franchised local broadcasters), but, the thought that only the BBC can do serious shit is wrong. Would the BBC have shown 'Death on the Rock'? Special mention to Weekend World, and World in Action though, for having the best title sequences with the best music. They dont make em like that anymore.
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Monday 17th July 2017 12:50 GMT Martin Summers
"1) Name something that the BBC still does well."
I don't need to as you answered your own question at the end of the comment. Plus what people think is done well is subjective.
"2) No, they are not 'making in-roads to slimming down', that is unless 'slimming down' means increasing their management spending while not addressing waste and unused resources."
Citation needed. Although I don't have one to hand for my assertion that they are slimming down I can say at least visibly they've moved in to modern easier to maintain buildings in Manchester that would have otherwise stayed in an expensive London property to produce a large part of their output.
"3) In this age of record and watch later, adverts are something that can be bypassed or easily skipped."
Yes but that's not going to last as the ads pay for the content whether we like that or not. On demand players already stop you skipping ads so what is to stop them implementing that technology on a PVR to used to record a broadcast?
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Monday 17th July 2017 13:27 GMT MOV r0,r0
Citation? The BBC's own 2016 accounts: staff salaries increased to £990 million (up from £977 million) with headcount only cut by 54 leaving 18,920 on the payroll - that many people just for two and a half telly channels and some radio, why?
They did save £154 million but mostly from cutting content rather than bureaucracy. Entirely the wrong thing to do.
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Monday 17th July 2017 17:05 GMT Anonymous Coward
>Citation? The BBC's own 2016 accounts: staff salaries increased to £990 million (up from £977 million) with headcount only cut by 54 leaving 18,920 on the payroll - that many people just for two and a half telly channels and some radio, why?
BBC1, BBC2, BBC News, BBC Parliament, BBC Alba, CBeebies, CBBC, BBC3 and BBC4. Even if you discount BBC3 (online only) and BBC4 as a half that still gives you plenty more than two and a half TV channels.
Another 10 National Radio stations - 1, 1xtra, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5xtra, 6, Asian and World Service.
Plus all the local coverage. It soon adds up.
Not that the BBC is perfect by any means, but it does have plenty of good stuff - irrespective of taste.
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Monday 17th July 2017 21:48 GMT d3vy
"that many people just for two and a half telly channels and some radio, why?"
Off the top of my head :
BBC1 , BBC2, BBC4, CBBC, CBEEBIES*, NEWS24, BBC Parliment, then theres the relegated to the internet BBC3.
And as for "Some radio"... Bit of an understatement? there are at least 5 national BBC radio stations and then regional ones dotted around the country... "Some" doesn't quite cut it.
* Worth noting that the BBC runs the only kids programs that still seem to have some focus on being slightly educational.
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Monday 17th July 2017 21:43 GMT d3vy
1) Name something that the BBC still does well. Their commentary on Wimbledon this year was truly atrocious - I thought that some of the commenters were perhaps on hard drugs.
>> News, Drama, Local Radio, Nature Programs, Comedy - there is literally something for everyone.
2) No, they are not 'making in-roads to slimming down', that is unless 'slimming down' means increasing their management spending while not addressing waste and unused resources.
>> I cant really comment on that, not enough info.
3) In this age of record and watch later, adverts are something that can be bypassed or easily skipped.
>> The age of watch and record later is on its way out, streaming is the future and you cant skip those ads.
Of the content providers available the BBC has the most that I want to watch, iPlayer is better than any other streaming service available... And dont get me started on the quality of BBC radi compared to other stations - I tried a local station the other day ore adverts than music.
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Tuesday 18th July 2017 10:11 GMT gandalfcn
I find it interesting that people on the right wing of politics are always screaming about the BBC being left wing and people on the left wing of politics are always ranting that the BBC is rigjht wing. Which is a fact. Try reading HYS for a few weeks and comments on YT etc.
Stop and think about this.
Also what most proponents of getting rid of the BBC because there are free tv channels seem to forget that they are paying via the ads, whether they use the products being advertised or not. Exceedingly unfair.
They also seem to want people like Murdoch to control the UK media. Total lunacy.
Go to the USA and see what happens there, mostly crap, at least the BBC sets a high standard which other channels have to try and emulate.
End of rant.
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Wednesday 26th July 2017 17:25 GMT d3vy
"Go to the USA and see what happens there, mostly crap, at least the BBC sets a high standard which other channels have to try and emulate."
Ive been, the range of choice was astounding... you could have total crap with adverts every 5 minutes or utter shite with adverts every 10 minutes.
At least theres some decent stuff ad free on Netflix over there...
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Monday 17th July 2017 14:55 GMT Timbo
"There is an argument for the BBC to encrypt and only licence fee payers can access the TV content. This would take years for the filter through of the new capable hardware to reach people unless they went all out and forced people to change their hardware. Can you imagine that?!."
The fact is that the BBC had the PERFECT opportunity, when we went from analogue 625 line transmission to digital TV (ie Freeview), to ensure that EVERY Freeview box had a CAM slot, so that everyone who wanted to watch the digital BBC transmissions, could do so. A simple CAM card could have been issued to the viewer when they got their new TV licence.
But they FAILED to do so.
Even now, they could encrypt their signals on the Sky and Virgin platforms and said broadcasters could increase the subscription to those viewers and monies would come in (if they fully went over to the encrypted route). And many Freeview and Freesat viewers could get a CAM card if their receiver accepted it, or buy a cheap new set top box.
But the fact is, that like so many other technologies, (DAB for one), the BBC has failed to see beyond it's limited, blinkered views and still relies on 1960's methods of extracting money from people who might not even want to watch the BBC.
Time will come when the BBC will have to cut its expenditure, if more people decide the TVL is not worth the money anymore, esp with other channels online and from satellite.
PS: It also seems that if you want to watch ANY programs on the BBC iPlayer archive, that were made (say) 5, 10 even 20 years ago, you have to agree to the statement that you currently have a TV Licence. Given that these programs were all paid for "way back when" they should now be in the public domain and they should not require your agreement to something that isn't relevant to the archived programmes.
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Monday 17th July 2017 15:19 GMT Jim 59
Unfortunately the Beeb now carries many adverts. For itself and its own products, maybe, but still annoying adverts. On TV every gap between progrmmes is filled with adverts for other programmes and pointless, expensive looking "idents" that seem to serve no purpose except self promotion. On radio, programmes are routinely interrupted right in the middle, as that honeyed voice says, for the 11th time, something about a furure programm you don't wish to listen too.
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Monday 17th July 2017 17:20 GMT Cynic_999
Subscription service
The BBC had a golden opportunity to change to a subscription service at the time it went digital. It could easily have specified that digital TV's and STBs had to be capable of accepting decryption cards.
It did not do so - probably because it knows full well that it would get far less by charging only those people who watch its content than it gets by charging people top watch other products.
A bit like having to pay Tesco an annual fee when you shop at Asda.
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Monday 17th July 2017 18:44 GMT bombastic bob
I have a potential solution:
a) only pay tax if you actually watch BBC shows [ok a method for collecting might be difficult]
b) if digital cable systems can track what you watch, use THAT to levy taxes for BBC shows. Then make sure there are plenty of competing channels [and make it so you can block the 'tax' ones to avoid accidental watching]
then when tax bills show up, people will make the choice of watching tax-funded shows [and being taxed], or going to the fridge for another beer while the ad is playing.
(icon for my choice)
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Monday 17th July 2017 11:12 GMT Commswonk
See me...
TV Licence evasion cases are heard before magistrates’ courts, sitting with a panel of between one and three judges.
Oh purleeese... Magistrates' Courts have Magistrates sitting in them, not Judges. OK it might be a "District Judge" or a Stipendiary Magistrate, but not a "Judge" who would inhabit a Crown Court.
Sorry; that's a very basic error.
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Monday 17th July 2017 17:47 GMT Infernoz
Re: See me...
WTF, people as still being conned to incriminate themselves, but then emotional thinking can hurt a women's judgement/resolve! No one should be ending up at these fake courts.
Any informed, alert and assertive person can stop these fishing expeditions dead outside the house, by simply refusing to recognise their supposed authority and turning them away like any unwanted door-step salesman or charity shyster.
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Monday 17th July 2017 11:54 GMT alain williams
Re: How can they make a profit from it?
The website where you can register as not having a TV asks for too much information.
Why do you need to register that you don't need one ?
If you really do not need one, then just don't buy one. If they come round, just say that you don't need one. You don't need to tell M&S that you do not need any new shirts.
If you are feeling nice you could write them a letter, but I cannot see why you are under any obligation to do so.
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